"Soviet Story" Too Scary for School Children

[Mr Because]

Observer wrote:

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The truth is the Russians and (in particular Robbocrap) actually admire the Nazis. Don't forget that without Soviet assistance WWII could not have started when it did. In fact the Soviet Union was quite comfortable with the Nazis and worked very closely with them until Hitler's attack on the USSR. It seems that despite what happend during the war many Russians still find fascist methods and symbols attractive.

Isnt democracy allows people think and say whatever they want?
So tell me why cant they all be fascists if they want. Isnt that their right to do so?
Democracy allows any1 to have any thoughts he wants including fascism.
Do you have anything in your constitution that treats people different? We dont.
We have freedom of Expression and the result is Fascism.

ISNT that DEMOCRATIC?
I say absolutely democratic!

[tarmo]

Mr Because wrote:

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Isnt democracy allows people think and say whatever they want?
So tell me why cant they all be fascists if they want. Isnt that their right to do so?
Democracy allows any1 to have any thoughts he wants including fascism.
Do you have anything in your constitution that treats people different? We dont.
We have freedom of Expression and the result is Fascism.
ISNT that DEMOCRATIC?
I say absolutely democratic!

It isn't democratic to openly support genocidal ideas. It isn't democratic to openly support homicidal ideas.

[Robespierre]

EastCoastBrit wrote:

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Care to explain why so many of them are pronazis after the fall of the Third Reich? Croatia and Russia (just to name a few) are two of the biggest supporters of neo nazism in Europe.

These neo-Nazi movement in Croatia or Russia didn't start after the fall of the Third Reich which was 60 years ago.

They began after the collapse of the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia, perhaps in reaction to the 50 or 60 years of communism these countries endured.

In period of turmoil, extermism seems to be an option for people who are left at the edge of society. Unemployment, economic collapse, dismentelment of the communist apparatus, sudden liberalism, end of totalitarism are all factors that have played their part in the resurgence of neo-NAZIs in Easterm Europe.

[Robespierre]

Observer wrote:

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Mmmmmm.. as usual ..drivel from you RobboCrap. Take a long look at "Nashi" and compare with the Hitler Youth Movement. I don't see much difference so I suppose we may comfortably call both organisations fascist.

Nashi is not fascist at all and has nothing to compare it with the Hitler Youth! You know nothing about Russia.
Nashi was created to protect the democratic institutions in Russia, and prevent a 'colour revolution' orchestrated from abroad and executed by foreign NGOs in Russia, like they did in Ukraine and Georgia..

If you want a fscist organisation in Russia, look rather at the National Bolshevik Party which the government is trying to ban, for its incitation to violence.

[Stefanya]

Observer wrote:

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The truth is the Russians and (in particular Robbocrap) actually admire the Nazis. Don't forget that without Soviet assistance WWII could not have started when it did. In fact the Soviet Union was quite comfortable with the Nazis and worked very closely with them until Hitler's attack on the USSR. It seems that despite what happend during the war many Russians still find fascist methods and symbols attractive.

In observors biased opinion. But who trusts his biased Opinion. Kids in every country are skin-heads.

[Robespierre]

Observer wrote:

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The truth is the Russians and (in particular Robbocrap) actually admire the Nazis.

Nice bit of spin, but it won't work!

Try to find a quote from me where I said that I amire the NAZIs.

You are just a blithering fool!

[Virgin Island]

We too have a motion picture about ruskies and the Hungarian uprising of 1956 against ruskies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The movie shows, among other things, how ruskie soldiers murdered women and children on the Parliament Square and ruskie tanks have demolished 1/3 of all buildings in Budapest. The side story is about our water polo finals against Mother Russia during 1956 Olympics. Unlike in the course of 1956 popular uprising, the forces were equal, we were 7 against 7 men and no ruskie tanks to help. And we have won the final game against horrible, cruel ruskies!

[Observer]

Mr Because wrote:

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Quite easy to understand. America and Democracy are enemies and worlds policeman.
Their ideas are not trusted anymore.
Communist ideas of unity are not trusted...
What left? Fascism...
Fascism is supposed to be a Democracy for a single nation now..
Well there are actually only two compellin ideologies. They are fascism and socialism.
Democracy is not an ideology and neither Capitalism is. I point it out.
In commin years i say that fascism will be more and more powerful. Easy to understand why. In all countries nations mix quickly. Immigration and other processes make original population feel treated inequally or so.
So in years to come i bet all muslims will be expelled from Europe.
Look how tough relations are there!
Fitna and other movies in Democratic countries!
This is sad. But thats truth.

Christ I had better pack my bags and leave Europe while I can. have you ever been outside your Russian village to visit the world beyond Russia?

[Robespierre]

Observer wrote:

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Christ I had better pack my bags and leave Europe while I can. have you ever been outside your Russian village to visit the world beyond Russia?

I don't think there is a place left for you to go; you absolutely hate every country that isn't Poland!!

[Alex]

Stefanya wrote:

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Everyone already knows the truth and aren't particularly interested in the biased Latvian version,.

So you are telling us that the Russian version isn't biased? Your a joke.

[Why_Me]

Russy wrote:

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We all know about cheka and Stalin's crimes.
It is a history now.
Russia is not a USSR.
It is like to tell Germans about Hitler's and Nazi crimes all the time.
Kind of hypocrisity.
That what is NOW.
http://www.albasrah.net/index1.html

Funny thing is that Germany teaches it's youth about Hitlers war crimes, unlike Russia who hides the truth about Stalins crimes.

[Andrew]

Why_Me wrote:

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Funny thing is that Germany teaches it's youth about Hitlers war crimes, unlike Russia who hides the truth about Stalins crimes.

Again and again Why_Me ! How are you ?

[Robespierre]

Why_Me wrote:

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Funny thing is that Germany teaches it's youth about Hitlers war crimes, unlike Russia who hides the truth about Stalins crimes.

About as funny as your own history in the States, presenting the country as 'the land of the free', but barely mentioning how it was created and expanded, through wars, invasion, genocides, massacres, slavery, racism, etc...
I don't think that school history books mention US war crimes.

[Mr Because]

tarmo wrote:

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It isn't democratic to openly support genocidal ideas. It isn't democratic to openly support homicidal ideas.

Why isnt that so?
The meaning of democracy is that anyone can have any ideas they want. Even the worst.
Untill the crime is commited they can think and proclaim anything they want. Thats the freedom of speech.

The proclamation of canibalism is also free until the crime is commited.

[Mr Because]

Observer wrote:

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Christ I had better pack my bags and leave Europe while I can. have you ever been outside your Russian village to visit the world beyond Russia?

My Russian village called Moscow is the most expensive capital on earth. ;) LOL.
I do not need to visit europe.
All i need is to switch any European channel plenty of which i have and See how Arabs and Muslims are being opressed in Europe.
Remember Fitna film, Mohammad pictures and others.

By the way. It was restricted to print those Caricatures or Mohammad pictures in Russian press.

[Why_Me]

Andrew wrote:

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Again and again Why_Me ! How are you ?

Hello Andrew:)

I just flew back home lastnight from work. I will be home for 2 weeks, then I have to fly back for another 2-3 weeks.:(

How are you these days ?

[Why_Me]

Robespierre wrote:

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About as funny as your own history in the States, presenting the country as 'the land of the free', but barely mentioning how it was created and expanded, through wars, invasion, genocides, massacres, slavery, racism, etc...
I don't think that school history books mention US war crimes.

Yes they do....read any US school history book, and you will see we do not hide the truth.

[EastCoastBrit]

Mr Because wrote:

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Quite easy to understand. America and Democracy are enemies and worlds policeman.
Their ideas are not trusted anymore.
Communist ideas of unity are not trusted...
What left? Fascism...
Fascism is supposed to be a Democracy for a single nation now..
Well there are actually only two compellin ideologies. They are fascism and socialism.
Democracy is not an ideology and neither Capitalism is. I point it out.
In commin years i say that fascism will be more and more powerful. Easy to understand why. In all countries nations mix quickly. Immigration and other processes make original population feel treated inequally or so.
So in years to come i bet all muslims will be expelled from Europe.
Look how tough relations are there!
Fitna and other movies in Democratic countries!
This is sad. But thats truth.

So it's safe to say I could expect EASTERN EUROPE to be more pro nazi in the future with a lot of heil hitler's salute and his pictures being put on buildings everywhere? That's what it sounds like to me.

[EastCoastBrit]

Robespierre wrote:

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These neo-Nazi movement in Croatia or Russia didn't start after the fall of the Third Reich which was 60 years ago.
They began after the collapse of the Soviet Union or Yugoslavia, perhaps in reaction to the 50 or 60 years of communism these countries endured.
In period of turmoil, extermism seems to be an option for people who are left at the edge of society. Unemployment, economic collapse, dismentelment of the communist apparatus, sudden liberalism, end of totalitarism are all factors that have played their part in the resurgence of neo-NAZIs in Easterm Europe.

I still find it a bit odd how they flock to nazism to gain self respect or whatever the reasons they have to be pro nazis.

It seem like they don't care how many slavic people Hitler's army killed they want to be JUST LIKE THE NAZIS!

It's funny how neo nazism isnt popular in Western Europe but only in Eastern Europe.

[Robespierre]

EastCoastBrit wrote:

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I still find it a bit odd how they flock to nazism to gain self respect or whatever the reasons they have to be pro nazis.
It seem like they don't care how many slavic people Hitler's army killed they want to be JUST LIKE THE NAZIS!
It's funny how neo nazism isnt popular in Western Europe but only in Eastern Europe.

Kids are no interested in history and espouse any trend or fashion.
Also, maybe NAZIsm appeals to them because of the anti-communist connotation, who know.

NAZI regalia, flags, parades, songs, music, etc... can be attractive to anyone not interested in the background.