"Soviet Story" Too Scary for School Children

[Holodomor]

Documentary not appropriate for schoolchildren

Jun 06, 2008
In cooperation with BNS

TALLINN - Estonian Education Minister Tonis Lukas does not recommend using the Soviet Story, a Latvian documentary on Soviet era atrocities that has drawn controversial reviews, as teaching material in schools.

The minister believes that the film, which tells about Soviet Communists' collaboration with German Nazis in organizing mass killings, is accurate but that it is just too shocking to be shown to children, according to Estonia's Reporer.ee website.

In Lukas' words, Estonia should make its own film on the subject that could be used as teaching material, including in Estonia's Russian schools.

The film tells about the Great Famine in Ukraine, the Katyn massacre, the SS-KGB collaboration and Soviet mass deportations, Latvian Television spokeswoman Ievina Liepina told BNS.

The documentary shows unique documents and chronicles, reflects opinions of internationally recognized history authorities and politicians and evidence of the Latvians, Ukrainians, Finns and Russians, victims of the totalitarian regime.

The Soviet Story was filmed in two years.

The documentary analyzes the Soviet heritage and its impact on contemporary Europe.

The film has been produced by producer group Labvakar and directed by Latvian filmmaker Edvins Snore. The National Political Group in the European Parliament was a sponsor of the documentary.
The documentary premiered in the European Parliament on April 9.

http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/2063...

[hmm]

For the lazy ones..

http://irc.lv/video...
http://irc.lv/video...

Somebody has uploaded on atube site.. but I'd still recommend to watch it as a standard video file and full screen.

[hmm]

also.. for the lazy ones who do not want to get in a normal video file and watch it full screen and high quality.
google video has much bigger screen than youtube and their clones.. http://video.google.com/videoplay...

[Chekist]

Russians also had a very good movie about cheka routine(not documentary)..
made back in 1991 as much as I remeber.. it's not too popular in Putin's Russia..
here is the movie.. also availiable on dc++ or all biggest torrents like thepiratebay.com if anyone wants to download it in higher quality and resolution it deserves to be watched and full screen..

[Russy]

Chekist wrote:

Russians also had a very good movie about cheka routine(not documentary)..
made back in 1991 as much as I remeber.. it's not too popular in Putin's Russia..

We all know about cheka and Stalin's crimes.
It is a history now.
Russia is not a USSR.

It is like to tell Germans about Hitler's and Nazi crimes all the time.

Kind of hypocrisity.

That what is NOW.

http://www.albasrah.net/index1.html

[Chekist]

Then why are the Putinjugend little retards acting like sick hard line islamist extremists?? I could have easilly mixed them with these islamists, who like to burn everything so much... same style ... if they did not speak Russian
"allah akhbar.. ruki proch ot nashih djed"
http://youtube.com/watch...

This organisation Nashi is the so called Kremlin youth.. why is Kremlin "historian" mr Djukov so worried about this film and was making idiotic statements weeks before he ever had seen it??
Does look like to me that many in Russia (or Russian speaking diaspora in Latvia/Estonia) are still proud and/or nostalgic about the Soviet past which was built on human bones and slave labour, but still never ever reached a decent standard of living compared to 1st world countries..
(standard of living in Finland and occupied Karelia.... Kaliningrad(East Prussia) and West Germany... even between West and East germany there is a HUGE difference... the Baltic standard of living similar to Scnadinavia in 1940.. still similar in 1991 after 50 years spent in the "workers paradise"???)

Riga.. 2005. victory day..
http://www.delfi.lv/archive/article.php...
0&categoryID=193#foto

2008.
http://foto.delfi.lv/picture/152605/

We see pictures of this bloody murdered carried around every every 9th of may by Russian speaking celebrators.. not to mention the numerous Soviet symbolics.. is this Georgian with mustache some kind of national hero for Russian speaking people in Latvia??
(most of who were flooded in during occupation http://www.lettia.lv/en_a_nacionalais-sastavs... )

Russy wrote:

<quoted text>
We all know about cheka and Stalin's crimes.
It is a history now.
Russia is not a USSR.
It is like to tell Germans about Hitler's and Nazi crimes all the time.
Kind of hypocrisity.
That what is NOW.
http://www.albasrah.net/index1.html

[vist]

Hi, it's chocking.
Unfortunately it's says some wrong thing - no minor things either... it was not at all millions jews killed - all open minded researchers know now that it was maybe under 100 000 - som high figures at 600 000 have also been said. No one was killed by cyklon-b.

I wonder if this film is available with out the latvian texts?

[Stefanya]

hmm wrote:

For the lazy ones..
http://irc.lv/video...
http://irc.lv/video...
Somebody has uploaded on atube site.. but I'd still recommend to watch it as a standard video file and full screen.

No thanks. Some of us are too busy to watch Latvian propoganda.

[Stefanya]

hmm wrote:

also.. for the lazy ones who do not want to get in a normal video file and watch it full screen and high quality.
google video has much bigger screen than youtube and their clones.. http://video.google.com/videoplay...

Thanks, now I know where to find a bigger screen when I want to watch the St. Petersbug Dancers.

[Stefanya]

Russy wrote:

<quoted text>
We all know about cheka and Stalin's crimes.
It is a history now.
Russia is not a USSR.
It is like to tell Germans about Hitler's and Nazi crimes all the time.
Kind of hypocrisity.
That what is NOW.
http://www.albasrah.net/index1.html

They just can't seem to Undestand the the Soviet Union is gone for over two decades no. And even after Stalin, Russia was not doing what Stalin did. They are determined to speak of Russia only in the past.

[Stefanya]

vist wrote:

Hi, it's chocking.
Unfortunately it's says some wrong thing - no minor things either... it was not at all millions jews killed - all open minded researchers know now that it was maybe under 100 000 - som high figures at 600 000 have also been said. No one was killed by cyklon-b.
I wonder if this film is available with out the latvian texts?

Gee, it didn't reach a million and they didn't use Gas to kill them. Of Course! WEll then that explains, why it was okay to cooperate with the German Nazis in exterminating those JEWS.

[Stefanya]

Chekist wrote:

Then why are the Putinjugend little retards acting like sick hard line islamist extremists?? I could have easilly mixed them with these islamists, who like to burn everything so much... same style ... if they did not speak Russian
"allah akhbar.. ruki proch ot nashih djed"
http://youtube.com/watch...
This organisation Nashi is the so called Kremlin youth.. why is Kremlin "historian" mr Djukov so worried about this film and was making idiotic statements weeks before he ever had seen it??
Does look like to me that many in Russia (or Russian speaking diaspora in Latvia/Estonia) are still proud and/or nostalgic about the Soviet past which was built on human bones and slave labour, but still never ever reached a decent standard of living compared to 1st world countries..
(standard of living in Finland and occupied Karelia.... Kaliningrad(East Prussia) and West Germany... even between West and East germany there is a HUGE difference... the Baltic standard of living similar to Scnadinavia in 1940.. still similar in 1991 after 50 years spent in the "workers paradise"???)
Riga.. 2005. victory day..
http://www.delfi.lv/archive/article.php...
0&categoryID=193#foto
2008.
http://foto.delfi.lv/picture/152605/
We see pictures of this bloody murdered carried around every every 9th of may by Russian speaking celebrators.. not to mention the numerous Soviet symbolics.. is this Georgian with mustache some kind of national hero for Russian speaking people in Latvia??
(most of who were flooded in during occupation http://www.lettia.lv/en_a_nacionalais-sastavs... )
<quoted text>

People have the right to honor those who liberated them from the NAZIs who were going to exterminate all Jews, Gypsies and SLAVS. I get it, you would rather honor the NAZIs. Well then have the freedom for those who want to honor the Soviet Union which liberated them from the NAZIs they should be able to.

[Observer]

hmm wrote:

For the lazy ones..
http://irc.lv/video...
http://irc.lv/video...
Somebody has uploaded on atube site.. but I'd still recommend to watch it as a standard video file and full screen.

Robbo Crap and Stefanya should be the first to watch the film to see the true nature of their "great" Soviet Union and contemporary Russia. The pair of them revolt me. They are a disgrace to all that is decent about human nature and the need for freedom and democracy in Europe and Russia.

[Robespierre]

Observer wrote:

<quoted text>
Robbo Crap and Stefanya should be the first to watch the film to see the true nature of their "great" Soviet Union and contemporary Russia. The pair of them revolt me. They are a disgrace to all that is decent about human nature and the need for freedom and democracy in Europe and Russia.

I am glad I make you sick, stupid Polak! You can't even look at history without becoming an emotional wreck and whining about the past all the time. You accuse today's generations like if they have anything to do with events that occured 80 years ago, just because it serves your bigoted and narrow-minded anti-Russia agenda.

We have democracy and freedom in Europe now; so get on with it and stop whining all the time like an old woman!

[Observer]

Robespierre wrote:

<quoted text>
I am glad I make you sick, stupid Polak! You can't even look at history without becoming an emotional wreck and whining about the past all the time. You accuse today's generations like if they have anything to do with events that occured 80 years ago, just because it serves your bigoted and narrow-minded anti-Russia agenda.
We have democracy and freedom in Europe now; so get on with it and stop whining all the time like an old woman!

Ah the French fagot crawls out from under the pile of dung he lives in. Yes we have democracy in the West - that's why we can watch this film. Had you watched it you would notice that the material it partly refers to has now be re-classified as "secret" by Putin or simply deleted from the archives. Contemporary Russia is simply unable to investigate and analise its own past. Fools and liars such as you Robbo Crap are just goods examples of how low the human species can get. Such films as this underline how important it is to remember what happened to ensure it will not be repeated in the future. They also serve to combat and refute the lies and distortions that you, and the likes or you would have us believe. You are nothing but pure scum Robbo Crap, and that is giving you the benefit of the doubt!

[Robespierre]

Observer wrote:

<quoted text>
Ah the French fagot crawls out from under the pile of dung he lives in. Yes we have democracy in the West - that's why we can watch this film. Had you watched it you would notice that the material it partly refers to has now be re-classified as "secret" by Putin or simply deleted from the archives. Contemporary Russia is simply unable to investigate and analise its own past. Fools and liars such as you Robbo Crap are just goods examples of how low the human species can get. Such films as this underline how important it is to remember what happened to ensure it will not be repeated in the future. They also serve to combat and refute the lies and distortions that you, and the likes or you would have us believe. You are nothing but pure scum Robbo Crap, and that is giving you the benefit of the doubt!

You spend all your time accusing other people, like if it was your vocation in life.

Watch horror films all your heart content, if that's your thing. Other people prefer to move on from the past and work for the future. Who wants to remember the horrors of the past? You, you are goulish enough for that!

Russia is really your 'bete noire' isn't it? Hope you lack sleep over it too. Being so obsessed against a country can't be healthy.

But, you, you seem to dedicate your life finding faults in other countries, probably so that you feel good in your own inadequacy.

[Stefanya]

Holodomor wrote:

Documentary not appropriate for schoolchildren
Jun 06, 2008
In cooperation with BNS
TALLINN - Estonian Education Minister Tonis Lukas does not recommend using the Soviet Story, a Latvian documentary on Soviet era atrocities that has drawn controversial reviews, as teaching material in schools.
The minister believes that the film, which tells about Soviet Communists' collaboration with German Nazis in organizing mass killings, is accurate but that it is just too shocking to be shown to children, according to Estonia's Reporer.ee website.
In Lukas' words, Estonia should make its own film on the subject that could be used as teaching material, including in Estonia's Russian schools.
The film tells about the Great Famine in Ukraine, the Katyn massacre, the SS-KGB collaboration and Soviet mass deportations, Latvian Television spokeswoman Ievina Liepina told BNS.
The documentary shows unique documents and chronicles, reflects opinions of internationally recognized history authorities and politicians and evidence of the Latvians, Ukrainians, Finns and Russians, victims of the totalitarian regime.
The Soviet Story was filmed in two years.
The documentary analyzes the Soviet heritage and its impact on contemporary Europe.
The film has been produced by producer group Labvakar and directed by Latvian filmmaker Edvins Snore. The National Political Group in the European Parliament was a sponsor of the documentary.
The documentary premiered in the European Parliament on April 9.
http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/2063...

Sounds like a good piece of Propoganda to skip.

[Stefanya]

Chekist wrote:

Then why are the Putinjugend little retards acting like sick hard line islamist extremists?? I could have easilly mixed them with these islamists, who like to burn everything so much... same style ... if they did not speak Russian
"allah akhbar.. ruki proch ot nashih djed"
http://youtube.com/watch...
This organisation Nashi is the so called Kremlin youth.. why is Kremlin "historian" mr Djukov so worried about this film and was making idiotic statements weeks before he ever had seen it??
Does look like to me that many in Russia (or Russian speaking diaspora in Latvia/Estonia) are still proud and/or nostalgic about the Soviet past which was built on human bones and slave labour, but still never ever reached a decent standard of living compared to 1st world countries..
(standard of living in Finland and occupied Karelia.... Kaliningrad(East Prussia) and West Germany... even between West and East germany there is a HUGE difference... the Baltic standard of living similar to Scnadinavia in 1940.. still similar in 1991 after 50 years spent in the "workers paradise"???)
Riga.. 2005. victory day..
http://www.delfi.lv/archive/article.php...
0&categoryID=193#foto
2008.
http://foto.delfi.lv/picture/152605/
We see pictures of this bloody murdered carried around every every 9th of may by Russian speaking celebrators.. not to mention the numerous Soviet symbolics.. is this Georgian with mustache some kind of national hero for Russian speaking people in Latvia??
(most of who were flooded in during occupation http://www.lettia.lv/en_a_nacionalais-sastavs... )
<quoted text>

May 9th Victory Day in Russia will be celebrated forever I hope to thank the Soviet Army for defeating the NAZI exterminators and saving humanity, the Jews, Gypsies and Slavs who were killed by the millions by the German NAZIs.

[Stefanya]

Observer wrote:

<quoted text>
Robbo Crap and Stefanya should be the first to watch the film to see the true nature of their "great" Soviet Union and contemporary Russia. The pair of them revolt me. They are a disgrace to all that is decent about human nature and the need for freedom and democracy in Europe and Russia.

The feeling is mutual!

You revolt me. YOu are a disgrace to all that is decent about human nature and the need for freedom and democracy in Europe and Russia.
So you go and wallow in the past and feed that incredible hatred you have for anyone who doesn't agree with you, although I don't know how you can pack more hatred into that already hate-filled ignorant brain of yours.

I can't speak for Robspierre, but I think reading the review is enough. I have better things to do with my time than to watch hate-filled propoganda.

You enjoy your rage and hate now, you hear?

[Stefanya]

Robespierre wrote:

<quoted text>
I am glad I make you sick, stupid Polak! You can't even look at history without becoming an emotional wreck and whining about the past all the time. You accuse today's generations like if they have anything to do with events that occured 80 years ago, just because it serves your bigoted and narrow-minded anti-Russia agenda.
We have democracy and freedom in Europe now; so get on with it and stop whining all the time like an old woman!

So true.