Sevastopol opens Catherine II monument despite ban by authorities

A monument to the founder of Sevastopol – Empress Catherine II – was unveiled in the city this morning.

The monument was built with people’s donations at the initiative of deputies to the City Council despite a ban by the municipal Economic Court, referring in its ruling to “the absence of appropriate decisions”.

Members of the City Council, representatives from Cossack associations and non-government organisations were on guard by the monument over the past few days around the clock.

The monument’s author, People’s Artist of Ukraine and honorary citizen of Sevastopol, Stanislav Chizh died on May 22, failing to see the unveiling of his last creative work.

[coolncrazy]

Last year the the monument to Catherine II of Russia was erected in the Ukrainian city of Odessa.
http://youtube.com/watch...

Catherine made Russia the dominant power in south-eastern Europe after her first Russo-Turkish War against the Ottoman Empire (1768–1774), which saw some of the greatest defeats in Turkish history, including the Battle of Chesma (5 July – 7 July 1770) and the Battle of Kagul (21 July 1770). The Russian victories allowed Catherine's government to obtain access to the Black Sea and to incorporate the vast steppes of present-day southern Ukraine, where the Russians founded the new cities of Odessa, Nikolayev, Yekaterinoslav, and Kherson.

Catherine annexed the Crimea in 1783, a mere nine years after the Crimean Khanate had gained independence from the Ottoman Empire as a result of her first war against the Turks. The Ottomans started a second Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792) during Catherine's reign. This war proved catastrophic for the Ottomans and ended with the Treaty of Jassy (1792), which legitimized the Russian claim to Crimea.

[Why_Me]

"Monument to Catherine the Great Polarizes Ukraine"

http://ca.youtube.com/watch...

Ya you failed to post that vid. Apparently not all Ukrainians are happy with having that monument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_II_of_...

Catherine II of Russia

"In 1764 Catherine placed Stanisław Poniatowski, her former lover, on the Polish throne. Although the idea of partitioning Poland came from the Prussian king Frederick the Great, Catherine took a leading role in carrying this out in the 1790s. In 1768 she became formally protectress of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, which provoked an anti-Russian uprising in Poland (see Bar Confederation). After smashing the uprising she established in the Rzeczpospolita a system of government fully controlled by the Russian Empire through a Permanent Council under the supervision of her ambassadors and envoys.

After the French Revolution of 1789, Catherine rejected many of the principles of the Enlightenment which she once viewed favorably. Afraid that the May Constitution of Poland (1791) might lead to a resurgence in the power of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and that the growing democratic movements inside the Commonwealth might become a threat to the European monarchies, Catherine decided to intervene in Poland. She provided support to a Polish anti-reform group known as the Targowica Confederation. After defeating Polish loyalist forces in the Polish War in Defense of the Constitution (1792) and in the Kosciuszko Uprising (1794), Russia completed the partitioning of Poland, dividing all of the Commonwealth territory with Prussia and Austria (1795)."

[Liberarian Fever]

coolncrazy wrote:

Last year the the monument to Catherine II of Russia was erected in the Ukrainian city of Odessa.
http://youtube.com/watch...
Catherine made Russia the dominant power in south-eastern Europe after her first Russo-Turkish War against the Ottoman Empire (1768–1774), which saw some of the greatest defeats in Turkish history, including the Battle of Chesma (5 July – 7 July 1770) and the Battle of Kagul (21 July 1770). The Russian victories allowed Catherine's government to obtain access to the Black Sea and to incorporate the vast steppes of present-day southern Ukraine, where the Russians founded the new cities of Odessa, Nikolayev, Yekaterinoslav, and Kherson.
Catherine annexed the Crimea in 1783, a mere nine years after the Crimean Khanate had gained independence from the Ottoman Empire as a result of her first war against the Turks. The Ottomans started a second Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792) during Catherine's reign. This war proved catastrophic for the Ottomans and ended with the Treaty of Jassy (1792), which legitimized the Russian claim to Crimea.

Catherine was a great empire-builder and tyrant. Not only did she expand the frontiers of the Russian Empire, she also pushed the frontiers of autocracy by crushing the Cossacks and silencing Alexandr Radishchev.

Catherine cynically enlisted the help of the various captive nations of the Russian Empire to expand its frontiers even further, taking territories from Poland and the Ottoman Empire.

The Russian claim to Crimea is an illusion. Crimea was conquered not only by ethnic Russians, but by soldiers from various parts of the empire, especially Ukrainians and Baltic Germans.

[Zer gut]

hey, so you think that Crimea must be owned by Baltik Germans?

[coolncrazy]

Why_Me wrote:

"Monument to Catherine the Great Polarizes Ukraine"
http://ca.youtube.com/watch...
Ya you failed to post that vid. Apparently not all Ukrainians are happy with having that monument.

It's well known that western Ukrainians (including current state government) don't like her and everything Russian. But people of this cities and this regions spit upon their opinion. They want this monuments, they paid money for that and build it.

[coolncrazy]

Zer gut wrote:

hey, so you think that Crimea must be owned by Baltik Germans?

Maybe Estonia will made their claims to Ukraine soon. They just wasn't know about that. But now Liberarian Fever will open their eyes on that. LOL

[Crimean Tatar]

Monument to Catherine II should be demolished, and it will be abolished sooner or later.

[Stephany McDowell]

Catherine the Great and Peter the Great were so BELOVED. They inspire me today.

[Stephany McDowell]

coolncrazy wrote:

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Maybe Estonia will made their claims to Ukraine soon. They just wasn't know about that. But now Liberarian Fever will open their eyes on that. LOL

CoolnCrazy: The new trend nowadays is that Russians love their neighbors. Maybe Stalin and Hitler and Mussolini and Napolean wanted to kill everybody. But Russians today don't. Catherine the Great wasn't called Catherine the Great for no reason. By the way, on your profile, you claim not to be human. I'm not either. McDowell fellow editor.

[Why_Me]

Stephany McDowell wrote:

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CoolnCrazy: The new trend nowadays is that Russians love their neighbors.

LOL...you were joking with that post yes? Or were you being serious?

1) Belarus = Putin finacially supporting the last dicator of Europe aka Alexander Lukashenko.

2) Estonia = Russian Hitler Youth aka NASHI started riots in said country, not to mention these same Hilter/NASHI attacked the ambasaduers of Sweden and Estonia inside of Russia. None of the NASHI were ever convicted of a crime.

3) Ukraine = Several times now Russian polictians have made public comments in regards to Russia annexing the Crimea. Not to mention Putins support of rigged elections in Ukraine leading up to the Orange Revolution. Putin has now fixed the histor books in Russia excusing his actions.

4) Poland = The Kremlin still refuses to release the Katyn files, and Russian government controlled news papers have printed 4 story's in the past year blaming the NAZI's for the Katyn massacre when everyone and their brother knows it was the NKVD.

ya need I go on?

[coolncrazy]

Why_Me wrote:

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LOL...you were joking with that post yes? Or were you being serious?
1) Belarus = Putin finacially supporting the last dicator of Europe aka Alexander Lukashenko.

There's one simple thing - in Ukraine there's a president whose revolution and election was finacially supported by USA and Boris Berezovsky. This countries have no healthy political system. And because of that, there's only one choice for them - to have the leader who will be financially supported by USA, by EU or by Russia. Maybe you think Ukrainian president Yushchenko is much better than Belarus president Lukashenko? But there 5,000,000 population decline in Ukraine last years, such decline will continue and they even don't want to speak about it. They can speak about 75 years-old famine, but not about modern days. And money inflation level in Ukraine is highest among all CIS countries. I'm not saying you should not blame Lukashenko, he's dictator and we know it, but you should compare the situations too. Huge majority of Ukrainians don't want their country to join NATO. But their president don't care about people's opinion. Maybe you think that's good democratic system?

[coolncrazy]

Why_Me wrote:

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3) Ukraine = Several times now Russian polictians have made public comments in regards to Russia annexing the Crimea. Not to mention Putins support of rigged elections in Ukraine leading up to the Orange Revolution. Putin has now fixed the histor books in Russia excusing his actions.

Several American politician (like presidential candidate John McCain) have maid comments about possible war with Russia. Some American politicians (like former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright) said that "Siberia held too many resources for Russia alone". Don't you think that American politicians is much more provocative compared to Russian? And it's well known that revolution in Ukraine as well as in Georgia was made for U.S. money.

[coolncrazy]

Why_Me wrote:

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4) Poland = The Kremlin still refuses to release the Katyn files

Why should we release this files? We begin this releasing in 1990th trying to improve the relationship. Yeltsin kneeled before the monument to Katyn victims in Poland and said his "sorry". But Poland immediately accused Russia in genocide and everything else. That was stupid and that was the reason for Russia to break our plans to release this files. If Poland want to use everything they can to blame Russia and demand something (I don't know what they really want)- why should we help them?

In 1919 Poland attacked USSR with more than 700 thousand army. Dozens of thousand Soviet soldiers were murdered in Polish POW camps. Poland Russia had never tried to accuse Poland in genocide, don't demand any compensation, and Poland had never apologized about that, but their historians recognized that such number of Soviet soldiers died in Polish POW camps.

So, who is the provocateur of Russian-Polish relationship worsening?

[Stefanya]

coolncrazy wrote:

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It's well known that western Ukrainians (including current state government) don't like her and everything Russian. But people of this cities and this regions spit upon their opinion. They want this monuments, they paid money for that and build it.

Yes!

[Stefanya]

coolncrazy wrote:

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Several American politician (like presidential candidate John McCain) have maid comments about possible war with Russia. Some American politicians (like former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright) said that "Siberia held too many resources for Russia alone". Don't you think that American politicians is much more provocative compared to Russian? And it's well known that revolution in Ukraine as well as in Georgia was made for U.S. money.

Of course it is greed and jealousy that is making the haters speak this way. They Yammer on about democracy but they are just looking for a way to get their hands on those resources and any old liesor made up problems will do.

[Stefanya]

coolncrazy wrote:

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Why should we release this files? We begin this releasing in 1990th trying to improve the relationship. Yeltsin kneeled before the monument to Katyn victims in Poland and said his "sorry". But Poland immediately accused Russia in genocide and everything else. That was stupid and that was the reason for Russia to break our plans to release this files. If Poland want to use everything they can to blame Russia and demand something (I don't know what they really want)- why should we help them?
In 1919 Poland attacked USSR with more than 700 thousand army. Dozens of thousand Soviet soldiers were murdered in Polish POW camps. Poland Russia had never tried to accuse Poland in genocide, don't demand any compensation, and Poland had never apologized about that, but their historians recognized that such number of Soviet soldiers died in Polish POW camps.
So, who is the provocateur of Russian-Polish relationship worsening?

It is disturbing that the Poles do not apologize for the killing of the Russian soldiers in during the Revolution, but expect Russians to not only apologize but to pay compensation for their made up Genocide.

I do not see any reason to release those records on Katyn under those circumstances.

It is getting very tiresome to keep reading about the double standards that they use in similar events involving Russians and other nations.

[Swandiver]

The statue to Catherine II, the German, obese tyrant, and well-known narcissistic nymphomaniac who brought bondage and slavery to Ukraine will come down soon.

[Crimean Tatar]

Peter was mad pimp who even offered his wife for a safe passage to his home in 1711.

Catherina II could have been prostituting in the streets of Istanbul if she would have been living today.

[Swedish_Viking]

coolncrazy wrote:

Last year the the monument to Catherine II of Russia was erected in the Ukrainian city of Odessa.
http://youtube.com/watch...
Catherine made Russia the dominant power in south-eastern Europe after her first Russo-Turkish War against the Ottoman Empire (1768–1774), which saw some of the greatest defeats in Turkish history, including the Battle of Chesma (5 July – 7 July 1770) and the Battle of Kagul (21 July 1770). The Russian victories allowed Catherine's government to obtain access to the Black Sea and to incorporate the vast steppes of present-day southern Ukraine, where the Russians founded the new cities of Odessa, Nikolayev, Yekaterinoslav, and Kherson.
Catherine annexed the Crimea in 1783, a mere nine years after the Crimean Khanate had gained independence from the Ottoman Empire as a result of her first war against the Turks. The Ottomans started a second Russo-Turkish War (1787–1792) during Catherine's reign. This war proved catastrophic for the Ottomans and ended with the Treaty of Jassy (1792), which legitimized the Russian claim to Crimea.

Since the statue is in Ukraine, it can always be removed. Swden can buy it for the price of the metal.

[Why_Me]

Swedish_Viking wrote:

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Since the statue is in Ukraine, it can always be removed. Swden can buy it for the price of the metal.

I would much rather see this statue replaced with one of Stephan Bandera who was a true Ukrainian hero.