Raping little boys on Canadian bases ...

Raping little boys on Canadian bases in Afghanistan.

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siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#1 Oct 3, 2009
Of course our defense minister Peter Mckay doesn't care, he and all Canadian gov't officials have a cash cow over there, on the take from one of the most corrupt gov'ts on the face of the earth.
But we are spreading "human rights and democracy"
Lies and the lying liars that tell them.
We will "win" in that wild area.
History says not.
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Every day, Travis Schouten lives with the image of the rape of an Afghan boy at a Canadian Forces base.
Witnessing two men, one armed with a knife, sodomize the child during an incident in late 2006 helped drive the 26-year-old to the brink of mental collapse.
But the former corporal said the assault is just the tip of an iceberg and underneath lies the systemic sexual abuse of boys at the hands of Afghanistan’s police and army. It’s something he said the Canadian Forces has turned a blind eye to.
“It’s disgusting,” said Schouten, now retired after eight years in the military.“We’re telling people that we’re trying to build a nation there and we let this happen?”
“We allow rampant abuse of young boys at the hands of what is supposed to be their finest police officers and army officers, then what does that say?”
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#2 Oct 3, 2009
Schouten’s allegations that Afghans were sexually abusing children at a Canadian base near Kandahar made headlines in 2008 but earlier this year, military investigators dismissed the claims as unfounded.
He is, however, not alone in voicing his concerns. Defence Department records show military police were upset about such incidents but were told not to interfere. Army officers also met in 2007 to discuss the issue of Afghan security personnel “having anal sex with young boys” but their main concern was the media would somehow find out.
Others in the military note they were told such practices were an age-old part of Afghan culture. One soldier who e-mailed Canwest News Service stated he served at the same base at another time and troops had orders to stop any rapes. But he also noted they were told the practise of “Man Love Thursdays,” as it was called, involved consenting Afghans and no one was raped by older men. The children involved were given small gifts or money in return for sex, soldiers said.
Schouten, however, questions whether a five- or six-year old child, or even an 11-year-old, can consent.“The Canadian Forces wants people to think it’s a cultural thing, that everyone is doing it, because it takes the onus of responsibility off them to stop it,” he said.
The United Nations has also questioned arguments that sex with children is a cultural issue. In July 2008, a UN special representative spoke out against the Afghan practise.“What I found was nobody talks about it; everyone says,‘Well, you know, it’s been there for 1,000 years, so why do we want to raise this now?’” said Radhika Coomaraswamy.“But somebody has to raise it and it has to be dealt with.”
And not all Afghans are so accepting of what some claim is tradition. Afghan villagers this summer complained to British troops in Helmand province that Afghan police were abducting children to be used for sex.
Last year also saw an extremely rare event; three Afghan police officers who gang-raped a 12-year-old boy and his father were sent to prison.

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siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#3 Oct 3, 2009
Although reports in a Toronto newspaper noted that Schouten saw the aftermath of the attack on a young boy, he said that is not accurate. He actually entered the headquarters and witnessed two Afghan security personnel sodomizing the child.“I walked in and they were raping a kid,” he recalled.“The kid was bleeding. They guy with the camo fatigues had a knife in his hand.”
He left the headquarters shaken. The Canadian unit already had been dealing with other problems with the Afghans and his immediate options were limited.“I wasn’t going to start doing something at the scene,” he said.“I’m in the middle of the ANP headquarters. What do I do? Start shooting Afghan police? I’d get myself shot.”
Afterward, he was approached by an Afghan interpreter who worked with troops. The man had with him a couple of five-year-old boys who had also been allowed on the Canadian base.“He brought up the fact he likes to rape little boys,” Schouten said.“He’s telling me how he likes to use a knife on them.”
Schouten said after the incident, his life fell apart. He began drinking heavily. After returning from Afghanistan, he was involved in a car accident which injured one of his passengers. He went absent without leave when he was supposed to be at a psychiatrist’s appointment.
The army’s reaction was to try to dishonourably discharge him but Schouten successfully fought that. In August, he was honourably discharged on medical grounds.
Schouten wasn’t surprised the military investigation concluded his allegations were unfounded and his chain of command had not been informed of any such incidents.
Back in Canada, he told a lieutenant colonel and Defence Department officials of the incident, who in turn, informed others in the army’s leadership. However, since none of those people was in Schouten’s direct chain of command, the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service could conclude nothing was reported, he explained.
Other soldiers also were reluctant to come forward.“Guys have mortgages, they have kids," said Schouten.“If they go and get involved in this their careers will be stopped. Look what the army did to me.”
Schouten isn’t expecting anything different from an army board of inquiry launched last year. Although soldiers know Afghan security forces are having sex with kids, the issue is too explosive to deal with, he added.
Schouten said the rape and its aftermath shook his faith in the military.“In my mind, when I signed up, it was a brotherhood to me,” he explained.“I thought I was there for an established set of values and I loved that. I was wrong.”
Schouten is now rebuilding his life and is going to university.“I’m putting myself back together,” he said.
“But at the same time, I do feel people should be held accountable and people should know this is what is going on over there.”
http://www.theprovince.com/story_pri...14450&...
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#4 Oct 3, 2009
So much for "freedom of speech" lol.

You can expose the gov'ts for being lying packs of shit here, but guess what, nothing will come of it.

Well because, they are the gov't and your recourse is nil, even if you are ex military and witness it first hand along with others.

Slap people with the truth but you can't do anything about it because we are the gov't and you have no power.

It's a pretty cool oxymoron eh? Spreading human rights and democracy worldwide, then allowing the abuses on your own bases, giving directives to ignore it, and then telling you to stuff it on our own soil. Isn't free speech wonderful? You can use it to expose government complicity in human rights abuses (oh but it's a cultural thing) and they obstruct any enforcement of it on our own soil.

Some of you morons actually believe in this crap anymore.
tor

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#5 Oct 3, 2009
Nobody will comment here because they prefer to pretend that such doesn't exist - they like to comment about Soviet troops rapes of German women 65 years ago. Who is surprised?
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#6 Oct 3, 2009
tor wrote:
Nobody will comment here because they prefer to pretend that such doesn't exist - they like to comment about Soviet troops rapes of German women 65 years ago. Who is surprised?
I'm reading Stalingrad right now, it has some interesting views on that.

But I'm not surprised, all the russophobic morons on here will talk about repression and lack of truth in the former Soviet system, yet here, we have the freedom to expose the gov't yet have zero recourse to do anything about it.

Vote them out? Big deal, means nothing, those in power now should be held accountable for the coverup and directives to do so.

The absolution of power is complete when you can expose the truth and they tell you to get lost, we are the gov't.
tor

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#7 Oct 3, 2009
siloviki wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm reading Stalingrad right now, it has some interesting views on that.
But I'm not surprised, all the russophobic morons on here will talk about repression and lack of truth in the former Soviet system, yet here, we have the freedom to expose the gov't yet have zero recourse to do anything about it.
Vote them out? Big deal, means nothing, those in power now should be held accountable for the coverup and directives to do so.
The absolution of power is complete when you can expose the truth and they tell you to get lost, we are the gov't.
For me it is not so important what they say about the Soviet system which really had a lot of horrors in Stalin period (but was veeery benign dictatorship with not more restrictions then Victorian England for common people and loads of social benefits for pensioners, kids, women etc (many of which/benefits/ disappeared now - that is why "babushkas" still vote for commies here)- but, yes, there was no democracy, I agree, but what makes me furious is that they try to portray common people in the Soviet Union as monsters...there were even a lot of communists there of Gorbachev type (thousands and thousands among intelligensia) who were much more generous and sympathetic to poor all over the world, then those "freedom fighters" on this boards who speak about enslaving of other nations by Russians. I am just disgusted with their stupid hate, moral inconsistancy and arogance.
tor

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#8 Oct 3, 2009
benign dictatorship it was in Brezhnev times, not ofcource Stalin times, hope it is clear from my post...
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#9 Oct 3, 2009
tor wrote:
<quoted text>For me it is not so important what they say about the Soviet system which really had a lot of horrors in Stalin period (but was veeery benign dictatorship with not more restrictions then Victorian England for common people and loads of social benefits for pensioners, kids, women etc (many of which/benefits/ disappeared now - that is why "babushkas" still vote for commies here)- but, yes, there was no democracy, I agree, but what makes me furious is that they try to portray common people in the Soviet Union as monsters...there were even a lot of communists there of Gorbachev type (thousands and thousands among intelligensia) who were much more generous and sympathetic to poor all over the world, then those "freedom fighters" on this boards who speak about enslaving of other nations by Russians. I am just disgusted with their stupid hate, moral inconsistancy and arogance.
Exactly.

What pisses me off is that if Russia shows any kind of nationalistic pride or diametrical policy to western interests they are derided as being Soviet throwbacks.

This coming from some of the biggest nationalist blowhards on the face of the earth.

Stalin and his commissars did not win the European Theatre in WW2, millions of Russians did.

If Russia wants to control it's own natural resources, they are thieves and blackmailers. Even if it means pensions are raised. Meanwhile the thieves in subsidized Ukraine gov't get sympathy as the victim.

If Russia intervenes in the Caucasus, they are murderers. Meanwhile Nato gets a pass in the former Yugoslavia. Georgia is supposed to maintain it's "territorial integrity" Serbia(Kosovo) Russia(Chechnya) are not.

Russia gets berated and cajoled over little help in Afghanistan, but as far as I know they have not supplied the Talibs with Kornets and Igla missiles.

Just glad to see you have found your voice again.
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#10 Oct 4, 2009
tor wrote:
Nobody will comment here because they prefer to pretend that such doesn't exist - they like to comment about Soviet troops rapes of German women 65 years ago. Who is surprised?
Not me.

Cockroaches always hide in the dark.
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#11 Oct 4, 2009
Just as in the case of the former Yugoslavia and our own Ambassador to Yugoslavia saying in front of our very own gov't that that war broke the UN charter, especially in the case of Rambouillet, where coersion by threat of force makes all agreements invalid. And that Nato broke it's own charter in that region.

He stated that very thing to the gov't which they ignored by not even talking about it.(Lying by ommission)

Then, they voted to give independance to a state brought into existance by that very coersion by the use of force.
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#12 Oct 4, 2009
coercion***
siloviki

Edmonton, Canada

#13 Oct 4, 2009
"Man love Thursdays"

OTTAWA -Canadian soldiers in the main guard tower at forward operating base Wilson last summer winced when I asked about the sudden lineup of teenage boys along the mud walls of the neighbouring Afghan market.

“Wait a few minutes. You’ll see,” said one, his lip curling.“It’s disgusting.”

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Sure enough, a handful of uniformed Afghan police officers emerged from their rundown detachment, walked through the barricades and started chatting up the dozen or so teens, some looking decidedly pre-teen.

A few minutes after they returned, the selected kids were waved through the main gates and went straight inside the police station. An hour later, when I left the observation post, the boys were still inside.

This evening ritual is often derided by soldiers as man-love Thursdays.
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But the issue was given fresh legs last week by a military chaplain named Jean Johns, who reported that soldiers under treatment for posttraumatic stress syndrome had been told to “ignore” any assaults or rapes on Afghan civilians they had seen.

The Toronto Star also reports a Canadian soldier overheard an Afghan soldier abusing a young boy in late 2006 and later saw the victim with signs of rape trauma, specifically protrusions of his bowels and lower intestine.

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Still, Defence Minister Peter MacKay told the Commons he’d met with military leaders yesterday and insisted soldiers “report any allegation of unlawful activity they see.”
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/06/22/afghanista...

Lying cocksucker....
But then again it's not against the law is it Peter? But then again you allow it on CANADIAN BASES.....

If their culture wants "man love Thursdays" maybe they shouldn't be doing it on Canadian Bases...

I bet the Karzai gov't is treating you very well tho.

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