romanian atrocities against hungarians in transylvania

[Scorpio]

"During the night of October 28, they collected the Hungarians of the prairie town, Benedek, took them out of the town and slaughtered them. No one was left alive."

http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/kosztin/k...

[Scorpio]

Romanians will never admit the truth.

[Scorpio]

"The Hungarians of the Barcasag(51) took their share of the suffering during the freedom fight: in 1848 the Vlachs looted, burned and destroyed everything, killed many Hungarians and imprisoned others."

[Scorpio]

"At Kocsard, 60 Hungarians were executed with such cruel atrocities that, seeing these, 3 members of the village notary's family hanged themselves in the attic where they had fled(82).

At Gulafehervar, the clock-maker Megai was roasted alive and at Domba the landowner had his hands and feet sawed off and was buried in dirt up to his waist(83).

At Naszod, the Hungarians were tied to stakes and put to death with select tortures(84).

At Borband, Baranyai Karoly had his arms and head sawed off before his wife and daughter. Then they put the head on a stake and his wife had to march it to Balazsfalva, accompanied by the looting crowd(85)."

[Scorpio]

"The statement of Gheorghe Tinea (Tinca?) reinforces my belief that the forbearance, silence, readiness to compromise - in one word: acquiescence - does not reduce nor blunt the tensions between the two nations. On the contrary: it only strengthens the Romanians' baseless beliefs to the detriment of the Transylvanian Hungarians."

This is still true today. As we review historical events we are finding more and more evidence that there were more Hungarians than Romanians in Transylvania Alps than what is constantly taught and told by Romanians.

[Marky]

It seems romania has a lot of false history taught to them.. depending on the ethneticity..

[Networking Girl]

will have to learn more about our history,not what u heard from ppl,read more,but good books,then talk

[lvl100]

This is one of the shitiest piece of propaganda that i saw in a long time.

I guess independent non biased sources just wont work for you, isnt it ?

Get this , the author is complaining about the behaviour of Romanians , DURING THE HUNAGRIANS RULE

Yes ladies and gentlemens, this nutcase give few example of so called Romanian murders , exactly in the period when Hungarian ruled with extreme violence for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Exactly in the same period when for Romanians,one of the the biggest ethnic group in Transylvania, its denied even their own existence trough Unio Trium Nationum

This is like the Polish being accused for genocide against Germans during WW2.

And i wont even start on the post WW1 time frame and the hungarian massacres at Moisei , Ip, Traznea , Sarmasu , etc etc

[Scorpio]

"The omissions of historical research and writings are meant to be corrected by Matatias Carp's Holocaust in Romania 1940-1944(1). This book establishes the fact that the series of murders committed against the Jews did not start with the Nazis but began in Romania. In June, 1940, the Romanian army, retreating from Bessarabia(1) because of the Soviet ultimatum,
brutally murdered countless Jews. A year later, between June 21 and September 22, 1941 - that is, in three months - the same army advancing with the German troops, killed 166,000 innocent Jews. They almost completely wiped out the Jews from
Bessarabia, northern Bukovina(2), and Transnistra(3)- a total of about 340,000 people(2)- writes Matatias Carp.(Of the 850,000 Jews living in Romania in 1939 there are less than 6,000 left.)
We must become aware of the suffering that the Romanian people inflicted on the Transylvanian Hungarians throughout its history. We also must inform the world of this suffering as the Romanian writings of history will never mention it. These historical and literary works will show the Romanian people as champions of benevolence, of patience, goodness, and meekness thus demonstrating that the Hungarians are one of the
bloodthirstiest people on earth, or "genetically determined killers"(3), a characteristic that is inherited from generation to generation(4). Lately the same point is made by two Romanian
historians, Paul Abrudan and Mihail Racovitan, who write the following in their work published in 1991: Hitler tore out northern Transylvania from Romania's territory thus "...opening the way to the cruelest barbarity ever inflicted on its Romanian inhabitants"(5). Grigori Nedei openly urges the expelling - "at the appropriate time" - of the Hungarians from their birthplace,
the way they expelled the remaining 400,000 Jews and about 600,000 Germans(6) after WWII. The opening salvo in these anti-Hungarian writings was Ion Lancranjan's slanderous book. After that more and more books and essays appeared in
Romanian about our anti-Romanian past and present, our anti-Romanian cruelties(8)."

[Scorpio]

"It is misleading to talk about the ceding of Northern Transylvania as a ''dismemberment'' of Romania in this context without explaining that it was Hungary that was originally dismembered by the Treaty of Trianon at the end of World War I. The area Romania had to give up in 1940 never belonged to Romania until 1920, and it had a majority Hungarian population. This, of course, does not justify the atrocities committed by the Hungarians upon re-entering this territory. However, atrocities were committed by both sides, and by far the worst pogroms were conducted when Transylvania was again occupied by the Romanians in 1944. Countless Hungarians were massacred and tortured. Indeed, the situation became so intolerable that the Allied Control Commission in November 1944 removed the Romanian administration from Northern Transylvania and until 1945 placed the area under Soviet military administration to protect Hungarians from Romanians.

Hungarians could also have invited foreign reporters last June for the 70th anniversary of the Treaty of Trianon, the worst dismemberment of any country that participated in World War I. Hungary lost 71 percent of its territory and 60 percent of its prewar population. More than three million Hungarians (every third Magyar) were transferred to foreign rule. Romania alone received an area larger than was left to Hungary.''These losses,'' wrote the British scholar C. A. Macartney in ''Hungary and Her Successors,''''were proportionately far greater than those inflicted on Germany and Bulgaria.''"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...

[Scorpio]

"In Moldavia, Bukovina, and Bessarabia, Romanian soldiers carried out brutal pogroms. Troops herded at least 200,000 Jews from Bukovina and Bessarabia--who were considered Soviet traitors--across the Dniester and into miserable concentration camps where many starved or died of disease or brutality. During the war, about 260,000 Jews were killed in Bessarabia, Bukovina, and in the camps across the Dniester"

http://countrystudies.us/romania/22.htm

[lvl100]

During World War II, the Nazis and their European cohorts killed over six million Jews. One tenth of these Holocaust victims were Hungarian Jews, resulting in a total of over 550,000 deaths.

While Romania wasnt exactly the most tolerant country in the world, congrats for our hungarians, they take the first prize again in atrocities and barbarism.

One advice guys. If you want to attack Romanians, at least do it in a field where your not a lot worse than them.

[morosan]

Scorpio, your studies are obsolete, at least this one: Romania Still Persecutes Its Hungarians
Published: October 2, 1990 (!!!) and since then some things has changed like: flat TV appeared, Maradonna retired, and... gee Hungary and Romania followed the French-German example, living peacefully together in the EU ( EU has now 27 members, not nine !)
Do you imagine how long the atrocities list between Germany and France would be?

[lvl100]

morosan wrote:

Scorpio, your studies are obsolete, at least this one: Romania Still Persecutes Its Hungarians
Published: October 2, 1990 (!!!) and since then some things has changed like: flat TV appeared, Maradonna retired, and... gee Hungary and Romania followed the French-German example, living peacefully together in the EU ( EU has now 27 members, not nine !)
Do you imagine how long the atrocities list between Germany and France would be?

morosan the outdated quotes are not a slip or a mistake. They just show the state of mind of those like Scorpio : caught in an endless illogical loop like a broken record, they live in their own pathetic universe ,created to justify their own frustrations, unable to see what really happens around them.

Wake up and smell the coffee boys, its 2008.

[Networking Girl]

nu te mai obosi cu astia,ca nu au invata ei la scoala istorie cat se invata le ei,iti irosesti timpul si nervi degeaba

[Networking Girl]

nu te mai obosi cu astia,ca nu au invata ei la scoala istorie cat se invata la noi ,iti irosesti timpul si nervi degeaba scz greseala de tipar :D

[valah]

"Originally dismembered",only if you smoke crack.But I will give you this much,it was part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire witch is no more!!
Dismemberment occurred after a WAR ,if your illustrious documentation covers this subject,that resulted in Us kicking the living shit out of YOU,for the aggression,massacres,mistreatm ent and subjugation of the non Hungarian population,that resided on occupied Romanian ancestral territories.The penalty your "empire"paid for the horrible and inhumane atrocities committed against not only Romanians ,but Serbs, Slovaks,pols and and so on were not sufficient,but,however everybody has the right to exist.You may not be so lucky next time .
Now you have the right to cry all you want,if that makes you feel good,but it won't change things.Losers can't be choosers!!

Scorpio wrote:

"It is misleading to talk about the ceding of Northern Transylvania as a ''dismemberment'' of Romania in this context without explaining that it was Hungary that was originally dismembered by the Treaty of Trianon at the end of World War I. The area Romania had to give up in 1940 never belonged to Romania until 1920, and it had a majority Hungarian population. This, of course, does not justify the atrocities committed by the Hungarians upon re-entering this territory. However, atrocities were committed by both sides, and by far the worst pogroms were conducted when Transylvania was again occupied by the Romanians in 1944. Countless Hungarians were massacred and tortured. Indeed, the situation became so intolerable that the Allied Control Commission in November 1944 removed the Romanian administration from Northern Transylvania and until 1945 placed the area under Soviet military administration to protect Hungarians from Romanians.
Hungarians could also have invited foreign reporters last June for the 70th anniversary of the Treaty of Trianon, the worst dismemberment of any country that participated in World War I. Hungary lost 71 percent of its territory and 60 percent of its prewar population. More than three million Hungarians (every third Magyar) were transferred to foreign rule. Romania alone received an area larger than was left to Hungary.''These losses,'' wrote the British scholar C. A. Macartney in ''Hungary and Her Successors,''''were proportionately far greater than those inflicted on Germany and Bulgaria.''"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...

[agtconsult]

Dear Scorpio, are you Hungarian? I believe you are as you tell only lies and make insidious confusions. It is the Hungarians who killed Romanians rather then vice-versa. Stop telling dirty lies! Read the real history !

Scorpio wrote:

"The statement of Gheorghe Tinea (Tinca?) reinforces my belief that the forbearance, silence, readiness to compromise - in one word: acquiescence - does not reduce nor blunt the tensions between the two nations. On the contrary: it only strengthens the Romanians' baseless beliefs to the detriment of the Transylvanian Hungarians."
This is still true today. As we review historical events we are finding more and more evidence that there were more Hungarians than Romanians in Transylvania Alps than what is constantly taught and told by Romanians.

[Scorpio]

"By presenting the cruelties (physical, economic, cultural,religious, etc.) committed by one people against the other will give a better picture of this people to the man of today. But is it fair to present a people simply on the basis of its cruelties visited on other peoples in the course of its history? Doesn't this impoverish, blur or skew a people's history? By emphasizing the cruelties born of extreme circumstances are we not shortchanging historic facts and justice?

This is obviously a danger for anyone who wants to illustrate a people's history strictly by its cruelty to others. Of course the danger is proportionate to the measure of the people's willingness to commit atrocities; to what extent can this people subordinate its instinct to its intellect.

Urged on by the clergy and intellectuals suffering from a feeling of inferiority, the Romanian people was always ready, from the Middle Ages on, to resort to cruelty. But it is important to show this cruelty dispassionately, without prejudice, exactly the way it happened and why it happened.

Unfortunately, for the longest time the writing of Romanian history was based on archaeological and paleontological finds and not on historical events. Even on that basis it was spotty and superficial. Let us just consider that the Peace Treaty of Trianon was based on the historically and scientifically unfounded Daco-Roman legend.

The omissions of historical research and writings are meant to be corrected by Matatias Carp's Holocaust in Romania 1940-1944(1). This book establishes the fact that the series of murders committed against the Jews did not start with the Nazis but began in Romania. In June, 1940, the Romanian army, retreating from Bessarabia(1) because of the Soviet ultimatum, brutally murdered countless Jews. A year later, between June 21 and September 22, 1941 - that is, in three months - the same army advancing with the German troops, killed 166,000 innocent Jews. They almost completely wiped out the Jews from Bessarabia, northern Bukovina(2), and Transnistra(3)- a total of about 340,000 people(2)- writes Matatias Carp.(Of the 850,000 Jews living in Romania in 1939 there are less than 6,000 left.)"

[lvl100]

lol well at least Attila was able to write at least 2 words of his own, Scorpio seems to be just a spam bot.