Why does Garcia Padilla claim the ELA is not colonial?

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LIer

West Islip, NY

#1 Jun 12, 2012
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"I believe that the U.S. Supreme Court, which is the only one who can interpret the Constitution, said that commonwealth is a unique status and that the relationship with the United States changed in 1952." - Alejandro Garcia Padilla, May 2012
Unique status? Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory (aka colony)! Rafael Cox Alomar has also refused to describe the ELA as colonial saying that it is a "special status within the United States federal union". When did Puerto Rico become part of the Federal union since according to the US Constitution the territories are not part of the Federal union as was upheld by the Insular Cases of the early 1900s?

I would LOVE to know the name of the US Supreme Court ruling is he referring to.

Also what is with the PPD and their love affair with the national Democratic Party? Garcia Padilla spent several minutes on Sunday praising Obama and his policies. As expected he also claimed the NPP is an extension of the national Republican Party (errm what about Romero Barcelo and the other NPP Democrats?) and said that it is the duty of all PPD members to support Obama and the Democrats.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#2 Jun 12, 2012
García and Cox, instead of insulting the NPP's leadership, ought to be explaining "how special" their status is with the US.

The present and past PDP's leadership has been confronted with their own lies, time caught up with them.

The only way they will be able to win the status plebiscite is by explaining Puerto Rico's current status...

Why don't they do it????
LIer

West Islip, NY

#3 Jun 12, 2012
Like I said, im still trying to figure out what Supreme Court ruling AGP keeps referring too.

Did you hear what AGP said about Fortuno? "This man is the first American governor since Tugwell, and Tugwell was more Puerto Rican than this man" - wtf, what is Alejandro smoking?

Puerto Ricans aught to be insulted by Garcia Padilla's comments about Fortuno.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#4 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
Like I said, im still trying to figure out what Supreme Court ruling AGP keeps referring too.
Did you hear what AGP said about Fortuno? "This man is the first American governor since Tugwell, and Tugwell was more Puerto Rican than this man" - wtf, what is Alejandro smoking?
Puerto Ricans aught to be insulted by Garcia Padilla's comments about Fortuno.
Each and every political analyst in the island has come to the conclusion that the PDP is behind in the polls...which may axplain their sudden turn towards personal insults; trying to provoke a negative reaction...

Remember that I posted to you that there was no dissidence among the PDP's new definition of the colony?

Today, Mayagüez' Charlie Hernández and Fas Alzamora announced that they will vote NO on keeping the current colony and will choose the "sovereign "ELA"....
LIer

West Islip, NY

#5 Jun 12, 2012
jorge wrote:
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Each and every political analyst in the island has come to the conclusion that the PDP is behind in the polls...which may axplain their sudden turn towards personal insults; trying to provoke a negative reaction...
Remember that I posted to you that there was no dissidence among the PDP's new definition of the colony?
Today, Mayagüez' Charlie Hernández and Fas Alzamora announced that they will vote NO on keeping the current colony and will choose the "sovereign "ELA"....
That's not surprising considering they are both pro-sovereignty.

I know for a fact that Fas Alzamora was at the General Assembly meeting on Sunday ... why dident he voice his displeasure with the party's new stance on status then? Why wait until Tuesday to announce he was going against his party's position?
LIer

West Islip, NY

#6 Jun 12, 2012
Another question, what have Carmen Yulin and Luis Vega Ramos said about this? How will THEY vote? Carmen Yulin openly endorsed the new party platform of permanent union with the United States that was approved on Sunday.

I think that the Soberinistas will leave the PPD and join the MUS. You cannot have a party where half the party wants sovereignty (ie: independence) while the other half wants to remain a permanent part of the United States.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#7 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
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That's not surprising considering they are both pro-sovereignty.
I know for a fact that Fas Alzamora was at the General Assembly meeting on Sunday ... why dident he voice his displeasure with the party's new stance on status then? Why wait until Tuesday to announce he was going against his party's position?
As an old wolf, he knew he was going to be voted down, so why bother...LOL
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#8 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
Another question, what have Carmen Yulin and Luis Vega Ramos said about this? How will THEY vote? Carmen Yulin openly endorsed the new party platform of permanent union with the United States that was approved on Sunday.
Are you a local reporter????LOL

That's the million dls question...everybody's asking.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#9 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
I think that the Soberinistas will leave the PPD and join the MUS. You cannot have a party where half the party wants sovereignty (ie: independence) while the other half wants to remain a permanent part of the United States.
The question is when....before or after the PPD's Nov. defeat.
TPMP

New York, NY

#10 Jun 12, 2012
Man, reading you guys postings.

I realize i have to come up to date...LOL!

Been too busy and also haven't been watching WAPA.

Give me a couple of days. I'll get some reading in when i can.
LIer

West Islip, NY

#11 Jun 12, 2012
Probably after the elections, the "traditionals" like Garcia Padilla and Hernandez Colon will almost certainly blame the pro-sovereignty wing for the defeat (as they did in 2008) and the Soberinistas will say "peace out".
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#12 Jun 12, 2012
TPMP wrote:
Man, reading you guys postings.
I realize i have to come up to date...LOL!
Been too busy and also haven't been watching WAPA.
Give me a couple of days. I'll get some reading in when i can.
You watch WAPA????

..just asking....just asking...LOL
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#13 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
Probably after the elections, the "traditionals" like Garcia Padilla and Hernandez Colon will almost certainly blame the pro-sovereignty wing for the defeat (as they did in 2008) and the Soberinistas will say "peace out".
So you're telling the PDP will blow up into a million "cantos" after the elections????
LIer

West Islip, NY

#14 Jun 12, 2012
jorge wrote:
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So you're telling the PDP will blow up into a million "cantos" after the elections????
I think it's a real possibility. I may not be definite but it's a possibility.

Anything is possible, in 2008 everyone and their mother claimed that the Republican Party was dead ... in 2010 they came roaring back.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#15 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
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I think it's a real possibility. I may not be definite but it's a possibility.
Anything is possible, in 2008 everyone and their mother claimed that the Republican Party was dead ... in 2010 they came roaring back.
If the PDP loses this plebiscite, I don't see the need for a PDP (defending the colonial status quo)...
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#16 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
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That's not surprising considering they are both pro-sovereignty.
I know for a fact that Fas Alzamora was at the General Assembly meeting on Sunday ... why dident he voice his displeasure with the party's new stance on status then? Why wait until Tuesday to announce he was going against his party's position?
El Nuevo Día, just printed this news....

12 de junio de 2012

4:28 p.m.

Suspenden a Charlie Hernández de sus posiciones en el PPD
Por expresarse en contra de la determinación del partido sobre como votarán en el plebiscito....
LIer

West Islip, NY

#17 Jun 12, 2012
jorge wrote:
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El Nuevo Día, just printed this news....
12 de junio de 2012
4:28 p.m.
Suspenden a Charlie Hernández de sus posiciones en el PPD
Por expresarse en contra de la determinación del partido sobre como votarán en el plebiscito....
Sounds like the Gag Law all over again.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#18 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
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I think it's a real possibility. I may not be definite but it's a possibility.
Anything is possible, in 2008 everyone and their mother claimed that the Republican Party was dead ... in 2010 they came roaring back.
Los pedazos ya están volando, read on:
El presidente del Partido Popular Democrático (PPD), Alejandro García Padilla suspendió esta noche al representante Charlie Hernández de todas las posiciones de liderato y de sus "derechos reglamentarios" dentro de la colectividad por sus expresiones en contra de la determinación partido sobre cómo votarán en el plebiscito de status.
Hernández publicó esta tarde una declaración en la que indicaba que votará“No” en la primera pregunta del referéndum – es decir en contra de la actual condición territorial actual – y que votaría a favor del Estado Libre Asociado (ELA) soberano fuera de la cláusula para territorios de la Constitución estadounidense.
La posición institucional del PPD es votar "Si" en la pregunta sobre la condición territorial actual, como un mensaje de rechazo al gobierno de Luis Fortuño. y dejar en blanco la segunda pregunta.
y dejar en blanco la segunda pregunta sobre el status que se prefiere.
“Con mi silencio no ganará la estadidad. En esencia este es un inescapable asunto de dignidad y conciencia”, indicó Hernández, en una declaración escrita.
En entrevista con este diario, Hernández anticipó que no deberían sancionarlo porque su posición se debía a que el acuerdo llegado en la Junta de Gobierno con el liderato soberanista de la Pava se había roto cuando el liderato popular no evitó que miembros destacados del partido expresarán que un voto por el "Si" era un voto por el ELA actual.
Hernández no especificó quienes fueron esas personas.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#19 Jun 12, 2012
Pero anoche, tras una reunión relámpago en la sede de la Pava en Puerta de Tierra, el secretario del PPD, Víctor Suárez indicó que "el presidente acaba de firmar una carta donde le notificará al representante Hernández que por la violación a la directriz de la Junta de Gobierno ha procedido a suspenderlo de los derechos reglamentarios y de las posiciones dentro del partido".
Eso implica que el legislador quedará suspendido del caucus popular en la Cámara de Representantes y no podrá votar en las reuniones del Consejo General o la Asamblea del PPD.
Las encuestas de El Nuevo Día, sin embargo, reflejan que con el apoyo de la amplia mayoría de los populares, el ELA soberano – por lo menos hasta mayo – tenía más respaldo que la estadidad o la independencia, las otras dos alternativas de cambio que se incluyen en la segunda pregunta de la consulta de status del 6 de noviembre.
En su comunicación publicada también su página de Facebook, Hernández señala que “recomendé privada y oportunamente que evitaran validar con su participación un plebiscito inútil y electorero. Sin embargo, no escucharon. También advertí, sin éxito, el enorme riesgo que representaba pedirle al país que validara una relación política colonial o territorial”.
Para el legislador popular,“resulta evidente que alguien ha cometido el grave error de interpretar la cortesía institucional de los soberanistas populares como una entrega de las posturas de avanzada que habíamos adelantado a favor de un ELA soberano (o sea, no colonial ni territorial)”.
En aparente referencia al programa de gobierno de status del PPD, en el que se eludió reclamar la exclusión de Puerto Rico de la cláusula para territorios de la Constitución de Estados Unidos, Hernández señaló que “los eventos recientes me obligan a reafirmar que creo en un ELA soberano, no en la estadidad, ni en la independencia ni en la colonia”.
“En síntesis, si creo en una relación no colonial ni territorial, como ha pregonado mi partido durante décadas:¿Por qué habría de votar por el “sí”?. Les recuerdo que el reclamo de una relación de asociación no colonial mi territorial representa una reserva de dignidad para el Partido Popular. Por eso es tan peligroso pedir a los populares que voten "si" en el plebiscito de noviembre avalando una relación territorial que el derecho internacional rechaza”, subrayó Hernández.
Afirmó, además, que “votar por el ELA soberano es la única forma de derrotar la estadidad en esa consulta”.
jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#20 Jun 12, 2012
LIer wrote:
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Sounds like the Gag Law all over again.
Old habits never die.

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