TPMP

Bronx, NY

#186 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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El Vocero claims he tweeted that 4 black men carjacked him and later killed his wife. Wow, even in PR Black people get no respect. In the states cases often come up in sensational murder cases where Whites who commit murder blame Blacks for the crime.
Not quite the same dynamic in PR. You know this.

I have never seen 4 black men hanging out in PR.

It is a shame that the island has come under US influence on "perceived" racial realities, when that is not always the case.
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#187 Sep 6, 2012
USMail XXXII wrote:
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"island boricuas have been voting against independence for decades and for many reasons."
But half the population has also voted against statehood for decades. That is not going to change any time soon. We both know that has been Congress's last priority for 114 years and there's no public support to alter the historic course of apathy. So what's left?
Split the island in two - one remains ELA & the other becomes a State. Cada cual que coja pa' su lao' y se acabo el problema.:)
Hey UM,

How are you?
LIer

West Islip, NY

#188 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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So they say. The Republican candidate has stated that he would abide by what a clear majority of PR's decide to do with the status. Never has there been an overwhelming majority in favor of statehood.
Maybe the fact that both national political parties are pushing for an end to the colonial status quo will lead Puerto Ricans to voting for statehood by a clear majority.

Of course the PPD continues to babble about a the colonial commonwealth being "unique and dynamic" and "not a colony".
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#189 Sep 6, 2012
TPMP wrote:
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I was greatful to be there. An amazing experience.
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Well, Manning did get us to within 24-17 on the ninth yard TD pass to Bennet with only 2:36 remaining, but we just couldn't quite make it into overtime.
The big blue will be back. But, they better get snapping.
We just cannot rest on last seasons victory.
Do you like football?.
Kind of...I am starting to hate almost all the sports, as it seems as if they are too corrupt, and you can rarely get a properly called game nowadays...but hasn't it been the case since the 'Hand of God', or England's penalty win shootout against West Germany? LOL!
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#190 Sep 6, 2012
LIer wrote:
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Maybe the fact that both national political parties are pushing for an end to the colonial status quo will lead Puerto Ricans to voting for statehood by a clear majority.
Of course the PPD continues to babble about a the colonial commonwealth being "unique and dynamic" and "not a colony".
The PPD is not on the correct tide of history with this one.

And this is coming from a big former PPD supporter.

Will statehood come to PR?.

Yes.

In our lifetime?.

Yes.

Within four years?.

NO.

Although i do understand the "operating" factor at work here.

Optimism can being contagious.

If you say it enough times......If you say it enough times......

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Let's see.
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#191 Sep 6, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> The PPD is not on the correct tide of history with this one.
And this is coming from a big former PPD supporter.
Will statehood come to PR?.
Yes.
In our lifetime?.
Yes.
Within four years?.
NO.
Although i do understand the "operating" factor at work here.
Optimism can being contagious.
If you say it enough times......If you say it enough times......
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Let's see.
You never know...maybe in 4 years, Venezuela will come to the aid of Puerto Rico, and help Puerto Rico secede from America, so that Puerto Rico would have the Latin community's support in breaking away CLEAN from America, and sending those Americans right back to where they came from, right TPMP?

One can hope, right? It would be more benevolent of the governor that Puerto Rico elects to seek out possibilities like this, and tight relations with other Latin countries like this, in order to explore this possibility where it comes to separating from America...it seems as if the work has not been done in securing Latin support to separate from America, if I am to be correct.

Puerto Ricans have to see that independence is an achievable goal, but they have to see it from the leaders that they vote into power! Independence is the hardest option for Puerto Rico to accept, however, with support from other Latin countries, they can do it! Now the people that Puerto Ricans have placed in power have to let their people know that independence is a viable option, and it is something that they can do, because, to me, it really doesn't seem like America will accept Puerto Rico as the 51st state...
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#192 Sep 6, 2012
LIer wrote:
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Maybe the fact that both national political parties are pushing for an end to the colonial status quo will lead Puerto Ricans to voting for statehood by a clear majority.
Of course the PPD continues to babble about a the colonial commonwealth being "unique and dynamic" and "not a colony".
I believe that it will end only if Congress mandates a binding referendum vote with only Statehood and independence as the choices.
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#193 Sep 6, 2012
Blacktigershark wrote:
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You never know...maybe in 4 years, Venezuela will come to the aid of Puerto Rico, and help Puerto Rico secede from America, so that Puerto Rico would have the Latin community's support in breaking away CLEAN from America, and sending those Americans right back to where they came from, right TPMP?
One can hope, right? It would be more benevolent of the governor that Puerto Rico elects to seek out possibilities like this, and tight relations with other Latin countries like this, in order to explore this possibility where it comes to separating from America...it seems as if the work has not been done in securing Latin support to separate from America, if I am to be correct.
Puerto Ricans have to see that independence is an achievable goal, but they have to see it from the leaders that they vote into power! Independence is the hardest option for Puerto Rico to accept, however, with support from other Latin countries, they can do it! Now the people that Puerto Ricans have placed in power have to let their people know that independence is a viable option, and it is something that they can do, because, to me, it really doesn't seem like America will accept Puerto Rico as the 51st state...
Blacktigershark,

"You are barking up the wrong tree". Venezuela supporting Puerto Ricans against the U.S.? You talk about letting Pandora out of her box. The fact is that it is up to Puerto Ricans on the island to clearly state that they want to end the colony and therefore they would have to vote in the coming November referendum and send a clear message. So far that message can only be one for statehood, as the independence party lacks support (2%), and the "commonwealth" party wants to continue being a colony in some form.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#194 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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So they say. The Republican candidate has stated that he would abide by what a clear majority of PR's decide to do with the status. Never has there been an overwhelming majority in favor of statehood.
Why do you need an overwheming majority?
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#195 Sep 6, 2012
Blacktigershark wrote:
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You never know...maybe in 4 years, Venezuela will come to the aid of Puerto Rico, and help Puerto Rico secede from America, so that Puerto Rico would have the Latin community's support in breaking away CLEAN from America, and sending those Americans right back to where they came from, right TPMP?
The US has stated it very clear; Puerto Rican affairs are part of the US' national/domestic affairs and any intrusion by a foreign nation will be viewed as an act of breach on its diplomatic relations.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#196 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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Blacktigershark,
"You are barking up the wrong tree". Venezuela supporting Puerto Ricans against the U.S.? You talk about letting Pandora out of her box. The fact is that it is up to Puerto Ricans on the island to clearly state that they want to end the colony and therefore they would have to vote in the coming November referendum and send a clear message. So far that message can only be one for statehood, as the independence party lacks support (2%), and the "commonwealth" party wants to continue being a colony in some form.
All Venezuela, Jamaica, and other American nations can do is demand independence for Puerto Rico, in each and every international forum and denounce the US' imperial regime in our island....

For decades, Venezuela, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, etc. have been denouncing the end of colonialism in Puerto Rico, immediate independence and reparations paid to the Puerto Rican people.
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#197 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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Blacktigershark,
"You are barking up the wrong tree". Venezuela supporting Puerto Ricans against the U.S.? You talk about letting Pandora out of her box. The fact is that it is up to Puerto Ricans on the island to clearly state that they want to end the colony and therefore they would have to vote in the coming November referendum and send a clear message. So far that message can only be one for statehood, as the independence party lacks support (2%), and the "commonwealth" party wants to continue being a colony in some form.
I DID use the word 'MAYBE' in the early stages of my last post, TRUTH...there was a reason for that! Don't you think I KNOW how much America would oppose any sort of foreign support to Puerto Rico in any sort of means from Venezuela, ESPECIALLY if Venezuela was going to be the key in aiding Puerto Rico cut ties with America altogether? LOL!
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#198 Sep 6, 2012
Jorge wrote:
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Why do you need an overwheming majority?
Why do "I" need an overwhelming majority? I am only repeating what Romney stated in PR when he visited about PR's statehood potential.
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#199 Sep 6, 2012
Jorge wrote:
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All Venezuela, Jamaica, and other American nations can do is demand independence for Puerto Rico, in each and every international forum and denounce the US' imperial regime in our island....
For decades, Venezuela, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, etc. have been denouncing the end of colonialism in Puerto Rico, immediate independence and reparations paid to the Puerto Rican people.
And what has been the official U.S. response? Either silence or the usual noncomittal response: "Puerto Ricans have to decide throught a democratic process by a clear majority what path they wish to take".
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#200 Sep 6, 2012
Blacktigershark wrote:
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I DID use the word 'MAYBE' in the early stages of my last post, TRUTH...there was a reason for that! Don't you think I KNOW how much America would oppose any sort of foreign support to Puerto Rico in any sort of means from Venezuela, ESPECIALLY if Venezuela was going to be the key in aiding Puerto Rico cut ties with America altogether? LOL!
Representatives of Egypt, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Iran, Ecuador, Syria and Cuba are all members of the UN Special Committee of Decolonization and they have supported a resolution that mandates that the U.S. take steps to decolonize Puerto Rico and provide a process to that effect. What has the U.S. done after repeated efforts by this committee? Nothing.
LIer

West Islip, NY

#201 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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Representatives of Egypt, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Iran, Ecuador, Syria and Cuba are all members of the UN Special Committee of Decolonization and they have supported a resolution that mandates that the U.S. take steps to decolonize Puerto Rico and provide a process to that effect. What has the U.S. done after repeated efforts by this committee? Nothing.
LOL at the countries on that committee ... what a joke. No wonder nobody takes them seriously. The British openly mock the UN Decolonization Committee.

At the end of the day, a modern 'colony' is colony by choice. In 1995 Bermuda was offered the option of independence from the UK - it was rejected by 75% of voters. Polling shows that roughly 70-75% of Bermudians continue to remain opposed to independence. In 2002 Gibraltarians voted by 97% to remain British. It's their choice to remain British Overseas Territories.
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#202 Sep 6, 2012
LIer wrote:
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LOL at the countries on that committee ... what a joke. No wonder nobody takes them seriously. The British openly mock the UN Decolonization Committee.
At the end of the day, a modern 'colony' is colony by choice. In 1995 Bermuda was offered the option of independence from the UK - it was rejected by 75% of voters. Polling shows that roughly 70-75% of Bermudians continue to remain opposed to independence. In 2002 Gibraltarians voted by 97% to remain British. It's their choice to remain British Overseas Territories.
Is Egypt still a functioning country? Venezuela and Cuba, now that make a dynamic duo. LOL
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#203 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
<quoted text> Why do "I" need an overwhelming majority? I am only repeating what Romney stated in PR when he visited about PR's statehood potential.
Qué cara...os, Romney. Si el tipo ni sabe donde tiene las narices. Es más, si me ajoras, no fue sino hasta que se fue a nivel nacional, que descubrió donde está Puerto Rico.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#204 Sep 6, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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And what has been the official U.S. response? Either silence or the usual noncomittal response: "Puerto Ricans have to decide throught a democratic process by a clear majority what path they wish to take".
To the international community?

The US has stated since 1945, cuando la comunidad internacional empezó a jorobarlos con el caso de P.Rico, that it's a domestic affair, and that's that...
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Bear, DE

#205 Sep 6, 2012
Jorge wrote:
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Qué cara...os, Romney. Si el tipo ni sabe donde tiene las narices. Es más, si me ajoras, no fue sino hasta que se fue a nivel nacional, que descubrió donde está Puerto Rico.
And if he should be elected president, he'll ignore the island like all of the other presidents since 1898 except for Jimmy Carter.

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