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Gee...Just what Puerto Rico needs...Red lobster, olive garden......

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TPMP

Bronx, NY

#2 Jan 22, 2013
Correction: Puerto Ricans are always trying to be more American than the Americans.

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#3 Jan 22, 2013
I have always wondered why chains like Chipotle, Panera, or Five Guys do not have any locations in Puerto Rico.
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#4 Jan 22, 2013
LongIslander1987 wrote:
I have always wondered why chains like Chipotle, Panera, or Five Guys do not have any locations in Puerto Rico.
I love Chipotle. Thanks for the mention. I was thinking of that as well.

I could see Panera working in Las Americas mall, Condado, VSJ, Rincon, Guaynabo, Hato Rey banking district and other areas where some of the upscale tend to congregate in fairly sizeable numbers.

But the rest of the island?. Not sure. They have really good bakeries with a real local vibe.

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#6 Jan 23, 2013
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>I love Chipotle. Thanks for the mention. I was thinking of that as well.
I could see Panera working in Las Americas mall, Condado, VSJ, Rincon, Guaynabo, Hato Rey banking district and other areas where some of the upscale tend to congregate in fairly sizeable numbers.
But the rest of the island?. Not sure. They have really good bakeries with a real local vibe.
Quiznos does reasonably well in those areas so I think a Panera would be able to do pretty good as well.

Quiznos, Panera, Chipotle, etc do very well in upscale, well populated urban areas. For example, there are 30 Quiznos locations in Long Island and NYC but only about 5 in the entire rest of New York state.
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#7 Jan 24, 2013
Frito Bandito wrote:
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You sound like a Nationalista. Funny thing, you're subsequent post is all for certain chains (Paneras etc.). What gives?
Good question.

Actually, i was at one time.

But, the reality is that independence will never come for the island.

The American way of life is too entrenched in the island to revert back.

Puerto Rico is America.

I would just like for the island to hold on to some semblance of its wonderful heritage without getting over saturated as has been the case with Hawaii.

Their rich culture is their strength.
Frito Bandito

San Diego, CA

#8 Jan 24, 2013
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Good question.
Actually, i was at one time.
But, the reality is that independence will never come for the island.
The American way of life is too entrenched in the island to revert back.
Puerto Rico is America.
I would just like for the island to hold on to some semblance of its wonderful heritage without getting over saturated as has been the case with Hawaii.
Their rich culture is their strength.
The Independentistas/Nationalistas will never die. They are just as entrenched in a culture that is rightfully theirs, regardless of the colonial affects the greater population might reflect. Without them, the culture would for sure perish, so in most ways we do agree.

My hope is that in some distant future it can realize it's potential of self determination and work for itself, instead of for the US bosses. It can be worked. Small nations like Jamaica and Singapore do it, why can't we?

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#9 Jan 24, 2013
Frito Bandito wrote:
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The Independentistas/Nationalistas will never die. They are just as entrenched in a culture that is rightfully theirs, regardless of the colonial affects the greater population might reflect. Without them, the culture would for sure perish, so in most ways we do agree.
My hope is that in some distant future it can realize it's potential of self determination and work for itself, instead of for the US bosses. It can be worked. Small nations like Jamaica and Singapore do it, why can't we?
1) Jamaica is a mess. Independence and Norman Manley in particular destroyed the Jamaican economy. I would hardly call it a success story.
2) If you believe in independence so much why are you living in San Diego, CA?
3) Puerto Rico overwhelmingly supports permanent union with the United States either as a State or under the current territorial status. Independence is a ship that sailed a long time ago.

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#10 Jan 24, 2013
Puerto Rico in this day and age is too closely linked - in terms of economy, culture, family, politics, etc - with the US to become independent.
Frito Bandito

San Diego, CA

#11 Jan 24, 2013
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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1) Jamaica is a mess. Independence and Norman Manley in particular destroyed the Jamaican economy. I would hardly call it a success story.
2) If you believe in independence so much why are you living in San Diego, CA?
3) Puerto Rico overwhelmingly supports permanent union with the United States either as a State or under the current territorial status. Independence is a ship that sailed a long time ago.
... and why are you living in West Islip?... a little on the contradictory side? We already know what the political landscape is.... I also mentioned Singapore, yet you conveniently omitted that. Why nitpick Jamaica, when they're thriving and self sufficient?

The point was/is the Nationalistas aren't going anywhere. They're an integral part of the fabric, inserted to remind you of your colonial relationship with the US. Don't think for a minute that regular America is all that keen in taking you in as a State, when you've demonstrated a burden in welfare and other social service dependencies that make Mississippi look like the oil fields of Texas.
TPMP

United States

#12 Jan 24, 2013
Frito Bandito wrote:
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... and why are you living in West Islip?... a little on the contradictory side? We already know what the political landscape is.... I also mentioned Singapore, yet you conveniently omitted that. Why nitpick Jamaica, when they're thriving and self sufficient?
The point was/is the Nationalistas aren't going anywhere. They're an integral part of the fabric, inserted to remind you of your colonial relationship with the US. Don't think for a minute that regular America is all that keen in taking you in as a State, when you've demonstrated a burden in welfare and other social service dependencies that make Mississippi look like the oil fields of Texas.
Wait a second there....

That poster is more Pro-PR than many posters here.

He is also a nice guy.

I was under the impression that you were a nacionalista.

Now, you are showing your true colors and sound like a xenophobe.

What gives?.

Are you the facts poster that use to post from Oregon?.
TPMP

United States

#13 Jan 24, 2013
Frito Bandito wrote:
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The Independentistas/Nationalistas will never die. They are just as entrenched in a culture that is rightfully theirs, regardless of the colonial affects the greater population might reflect. Without them, the culture would for sure perish, so in most ways we do agree.
My hope is that in some distant future it can realize it's potential of self determination and work for itself, instead of for the US bosses. It can be worked. Small nations like Jamaica and Singapore do it, why can't we?
Jamaica is on big mess.

The island has a long way to go towards postioning itself like Singapore.
Frito Bandito

San Diego, CA

#14 Jan 24, 2013
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Wait a second there....
That poster is more Pro-PR than many posters here.
He is also a nice guy.
I was under the impression that you were a nacionalista.
Now, you are showing your true colors and sound like a xenophobe.
What gives?.
Are you the facts poster that use to post from Oregon?.
What you're mistaking for xenophobia is actually a reality in fact, reflecting how things haven't really panned out all that well for PR, and that that in turn has left the Island folks subject to criticism.... and I'm not from Oregon. I'm actually one of the original posters on this forum from way back.

Regardless where I trek and how successful I may be here in the mainland, my heart and vision for the Island has and will always be to see as a free self sustaining state. If I'm critical of my own, it's only because they've allowed themselves to settle in what I perceive as a socio-economic drug, provided by none other than its US colonizer.
Frito Bandito

San Diego, CA

#15 Jan 24, 2013
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Jamaica is on big mess.
The island has a long way to go towards postioning itself like Singapore.
Perhaps, but Jamaicans here aren't locked into a second class status the same as Puerto Ricans. They weren't impacted with that kind of social psychological detriment. Fact is, Jamaica is neither war spoils or a colony of the US.

Now, Jamaicans might feel some of the wrath of slavery, yet not as intensely as do real African Americans, but they're mostly in a class to themselves and they know were their origins lie and how they differ. They're mostly Black immigrants coming from a free self sustaining country. The social psychological make-up that comes into play from this is surely different from that of Black Americans. That's probably why they do a better job at competing economically.
TPMP

New York, NY

#16 Jan 24, 2013
Frito Bandito wrote:
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Perhaps, but Jamaicans here aren't locked into a second class status the same as Puerto Ricans. They weren't impacted with that kind of social psychological detriment. Fact is, Jamaica is neither war spoils or a colony of the US.
Now, Jamaicans might feel some of the wrath of slavery, yet not as intensely as do real African Americans, but they're mostly in a class to themselves and they know were their origins lie and how they differ. They're mostly Black immigrants coming from a free self sustaining country. The social psychological make-up that comes into play from this is surely different from that of Black Americans. That's probably why they do a better job at competing economically.
"The social psychological make-up that comes into play from this is surely different from that of Black Americans"

(unquote)

On that point. I'll agree with you.

True. Jamaicans do well. Most West indians do. Jamaicans are like the Palestinians in some respects. They do well everywhere else except in their own country.
Frito Bandito

San Diego, CA

#18 Jan 24, 2013
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>"The social psychological make-up that comes into play from this is surely different from that of Black Americans"
(unquote)
On that point. I'll agree with you.
True. Jamaicans do well. Most West indians do. Jamaicans are like the Palestinians in some respects. They do well everywhere else except in their own country.
To further reinforce my point, if you have a child that's errant and an underachiever, a parent who is concerned and loves will not allow that child at any cost to stray on into further demise.

... and I agree with you. "They seem to do well everywhere else except in their own country." That's where the economic factors, IMO, come into play. The US is high population high volume high density in all respects, especially urban areas like NYC for example, where stability and high movement, and one's chances of succeeding in private enterprise for example are enhanced, if the proper management and care is implemented in business.

You can't expect people with low per capita income to spend more on a legitimate product, unless they're buying out of desperation. People in general are always looking for a way to search a dollar. The commodity of absolute desperation that comes to my mind are drugs.

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