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Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#21 Nov 14, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> LOL!
Man, you're a trip!
LOL

I know.

And this is just starting.

As Bette Davis said in a scene from All About Eve-"...fasten your seatbelts, its going to be a bumpy night...".

LOL
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Reading, PA

#22 Nov 14, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
The status quo commonwealth is not viable any longer.
The mythical "enhanced commonwealth" is unconstitutional.
Independence got 5.5% of the valid ballots and ELA Soberano got 33% of the valid ballots ... if you include the blank ballots then these figures are even lower. Both of these options were rejected by huge margins.
What now? This leaves us with nothing but statehood!
The issue is going to be whether President Obama will consider the results of the referendum conclusive and that a clear majority of PR's expressed their will. I think the debate that has opened up is going to make the results null and void from Washington's perspective.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#23 Nov 14, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
<quoted text> The issue is going to be whether President Obama will consider the results of the referendum conclusive and that a clear majority of PR's expressed their will. I think the debate that has opened up is going to make the results null and void from Washington's perspective.
If you are going to wait for Obama...and Washington you do not understand national politics.
TPMP

United States

#24 Nov 14, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
<quoted text> The issue is going to be whether President Obama will consider the results of the referendum conclusive and that a clear majority of PR's expressed their will. I think the debate that has opened up is going to make the results null and void from Washington's perspective.
You are dealing with reality.

Thank you for the sane and logical reasoning.

Speaking logically is becoming ever more elusive around here.
TPMP

United States

#25 Nov 14, 2012
Jorge wrote:
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Your reality is Congress' reality (inertia).
I did not idly stood by waiting for changes.
I, along with 54% of the island's total vote, help change our reality this past Nov. 6, 2012.
Well, then planeloads of islanders should be arriving in Washington too march on a regular basis.

I'm serious.

Will that happen?. No.

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#26 Nov 14, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Well, then planeloads of islanders should be arriving in Washington too march on a regular basis.
I'm serious.
Will that happen?. No.
They don't need to, they just need to bring the Garcia Padilla administration to it's knees.

Sitdown strikes in the streets of San Juan (this is what forced the anti-statehood, pro-colony Hawaii Republican Party to accept statehood in the 1950s).
"March from Selma to Montgomery" (or Ponce to San Juan rather)
Copy the 1960s Civil Rights movement the brought down segregation (another form of second class citizenship).
TRUTH IS RELATIVE

Reading, PA

#27 Nov 14, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>You are dealing with reality.
Thank you for the sane and logical reasoning.
Speaking logically is becoming ever more elusive around here.
I am very disappointed in Jorge as he has treated me with great disrespect all evening, imputing wrong motives and harrassing me with nonsensical rhetorical lunacy.
TPMP

United States

#28 Nov 14, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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I am very disappointed in Jorge as he has treated me with great disrespect all evening, imputing wrong motives and harrassing me with nonsensical rhetorical lunacy.
Yes. Observed and noted.

It is uncalled for.

He is frustrated. Plain and simple.

==========

Let's see. Tomorrow is a new day.

This is emblematic of what is going on in the island. I enjoy speaking politics, but it is so fractious.
TPMP

United States

#29 Nov 14, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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They don't need to, they just need to bring the Garcia Padilla administration to it's knees.
Sitdown strikes in the streets of San Juan (this is what forced the anti-statehood, pro-colony Hawaii Republican Party to accept statehood in the 1950s).
"March from Selma to Montgomery" (or Ponce to San Juan rather)
Copy the 1960s Civil Rights movement the brought down segregation (another form of second class citizenship).
Hawaii is not Puerto Rico.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#30 Nov 14, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Well, then planeloads of islanders should be arriving in Washington too march on a regular basis.
I'm serious.
Will that happen?. No.
You are resisting change.

Of course, you are one of those who think that as long as you're safe...
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#31 Nov 14, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't need to, they just need to bring the Garcia Padilla administration to it's knees.
Sitdown strikes in the streets of San Juan (this is what forced the anti-statehood, pro-colony Hawaii Republican Party to accept statehood in the 1950s).
"March from Selma to Montgomery" (or Ponce to San Juan rather)
Copy the 1960s Civil Rights movement the brought down segregation (another form of second class citizenship).
Exactly.

Not too many Americans understand our nation's history and political struggles.

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#32 Nov 14, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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I am very disappointed in Jorge as he has treated me with great disrespect all evening, imputing wrong motives and harrassing me with nonsensical rhetorical lunacy.
I wonder if everything is ok with him personally, family wise, etc.

I thought it was off base for him to describe you, who in the past expressed dissatification with the status quo, and TPMP who is openly pro-statehood as 'colonialists' based on your interpretations of the referendum results.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#33 Nov 14, 2012
TRUTH IS RELATIVE wrote:
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I am very disappointed in Jorge as he has treated me with great disrespect all evening, imputing wrong motives and harrassing me with nonsensical rhetorical lunacy.
Confronting you with your colonial mentality is not disrespectful.

In fact, I have avoided personal insults throughout our discussions.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#34 Nov 14, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. Observed and noted.
It is uncalled for.
He is frustrated. Plain and simple.
==========
Let's see. Tomorrow is a new day.
This is emblematic of what is going on in the island. I enjoy speaking politics, but it is so fractious.
Call it what you want...but colonialism has to be denounced everywhere (and this forum is for, precisely, that...to stimulate confronting ideas).
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#35 Nov 14, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Hawaii is not Puerto Rico.
The man was sharing Hawaii's road to statehood.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#36 Nov 14, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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I wonder if everything is ok with him personally, family wise, etc.
I thought it was off base for him to describe you, who in the past expressed dissatification with the status quo, and TPMP who is openly pro-statehood as 'colonialists' based on your interpretations of the referendum results.
Those "interpretations" illustrate the colonial mentality (on Puerto Rican issues) we are trying to erase (here and in the US).

And, up to now, I thought this was the proper forum to do it!

After all it is the Puerto Rico forum.

Since: Oct 12

Marlboro, NJ

#37 Nov 14, 2012
Jorge wrote:
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Those "interpretations" illustrate the colonial mentality (on Puerto Rican issues) we are trying to erase (here and in the US).
And, up to now, I thought this was the proper forum to do it!
After all it is the Puerto Rico forum.
Everyone here wants the same thing: decolonization and many, if not most, of us favor statehood with a handful of independenistas about.

I have yet to encounter a Garcia Padilla/Eduardo Bhatia style colony supporter on here. Maybe they just 'lurk' afraid to confront us! LOL
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#38 Nov 14, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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I wonder if everything is ok with him personally, family wise, etc.
It was just a heated confrontation between Americans.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#39 Nov 14, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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Everyone here wants the same thing: decolonization and many, if not most, of us favor statehood with a handful of independenistas about.
I have yet to encounter a Garcia Padilla/Eduardo Bhatia style colony supporter on here. Maybe they just 'lurk' afraid to confront us! LOL
Colonialism has many faces and disguises.

Many of our American counterparts (especially stateside boricuas) perceive anyone who confronts "it" as a personal threat (when we, anti colonialists) know that they have been just as victimized as any American whose rights have been or are been trampled over.

Of course, everybody resists being confronted with their own reality.

It has happened before and will continue to happen.

Island and stateside boricuas can't be afraid of facing our own demons.

Its part of our struggle as a people.

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