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Dave-Lopes wrote:
<quoted text>No they don't choose to stay as a commonwealth as it is in the power and only in the Power of the USA to let us become a state or become independent
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/15/us/puerto-r...

Who's the liar now?
Jorge

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A colony has no choice...., democratic powers, responsibility (for it is force to be in its postrated position) or rid itself from its hostage reality....

What you, ugly Americans, want us to accept is the Stockholm syndrome where the victim validates its "yoke"...and its not going to happen.

We, statehooders and pro independence boricuas, demand that the US either clean up its mess in Puerto Rico or leave the islands (it should not have invaded, in the first place) altogether.
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Memorie wrote:
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PR has not been FORCED to remain a colony...HOW MAY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! PR has VOTED to stay a commonwealth. If you don't like it, blame the islanders who voted for it, NOT the US!
A colony lacks any democracy...which is the reason why it is "A COLONY"....

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Dave & Jorge, you both need to get real. No, the US is not perfect, but bottom line, the ball is in PR's court. Stop pointing the finger and take responsibility for your island. Become a state or become independant, the decision is and always has been yours...NO ONE IS HOLDING YOU HOSTAGE!
Your profile says PR wants their statehood or their indpendance. Fine, I agree. But, PR is the one that has voted to stay a commonwealth, NOT THE US. PR HAS been given the choice, don't blame the US because majority of the people there want to remain in limbo!
No, you are wrong the ball and the ultimate decision is in Congress's hand not Puerto Rico....
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Memorie wrote:
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http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/15/us/puerto-r...
Who's the liar now?
Quoting an imperial "horn" as a way to validate anything reminds us about Hearst's tactics "to mount" the war fever for justifying the invasion of Puerto Rico by the US.
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Dave-Lopes wrote:
<quoted text>No, you are wrong the ball and the ultimate decision is in Congress's hand not Puerto Rico....
This person ought to review its knowledge (if any) on "colonial" living and reality.

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Memorie wrote:
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Puerto Ricans run PR and you know it! No, PR did not ask to be invaded, you are 100% right about that. However, they have been given many opportunities to be independant, so why haven't they? I don't know who started the corruption of the government in PR, but it has been continued by the Puerto Ricans. Name one American government official in PR. PR makes majority of their own laws. Majority of the people in PR are Puerto Ricans, not Americans. The US gives PR funding and what they do with it is THEIR choice!
When PR can stop being so sensitive, stop pointing the finger, and start getting real about the issues there which have not all been caused by the US, then they can make some real change. Yes it was invaded by the US, but like you said, that was 113 years ago. PR needs to take responsibility for the things that THEY THEMSELVES have done to put and keep the island in the state it is in.
In some things you say, you are right....When we become an independent nation, that only congress can gives us, we will then begin to ship all the bad ones and lazy ones back to you, either alive or in a coffin. We don't want the bad ones and the lazy ones your welfare systems have help create in Puerto Rico as it also has in the USA...

Help will still be given to the real needy, not to the opportunist lazy ones nor to the lawbreakers of the land. Those we will ship back to the USA since it is your welfare system, not ours...An independent Puerto Rico will be for both the rich and the poor but the educated and the hardworking will survive and run Puerto Rico without making the poorer poorer as the USA has kept many back because of the easy handouts without nay real incentives or motivation to get out of the rut.

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Help will still be given to the real needy, not to the opportunist lazy ones nor to the lawbreakers of the land. Those we will ship back to the USA since it is your welfare system, not ours, that has created them...

An independent Puerto Rico will be for both the rich and the poor but the educated and the hardworking will survive and run Puerto Rico without making the poorer poorer as the USA has kept many back because of the easy handouts without nay real incentives or motivation to get out of the rut.
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Jorge wrote:
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We, Puerto Ricans, have been paying for wayt too long for the USs many "imperfections"...an d its time the Us pays for them....
Thanks for agreeing with me about what you call "imperfections" that have caused us, Puerto Ricans, way too much sufferings, humiliation and harm for over 10 generations already.
Enough is enough.
I'm just keeping it real. If you and all of PR could do that, you could make a decision to either become a state or independant and improve your situation, but you don't. PR could try to improve their situation now, but they don't, instead you would rather complain about what was done wrong to you in the past. Get over it! Yes you were invaded by the US, but the US has also helped to support you over 10 generations as well.

You will never make things better by being indecisive, pointing the blame, and dwelling over things that happened over a hundred years ago! You need to get real about your situation, admit your own faults because all of PRs problems are not because of the US and you know it, and find and implement a way to change. If PR does not own up to their own faults and things that need changed, as an independant nation your situation will only be worse.

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Memorie wrote:
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http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/15/us/puerto-r...
Who's the liar now?
Don't be silly, that is just a SYMBOLLIC vote that does not count at all. Only the vote of Congress COUNTS....These votes can be rigged as many have already been proven to be so all over our nation, including in Puerto Rico too....

Now Ask Congress to put us into another island wide vote, once agaion, and then ask them to respect the ultimate vote of the Puerto Rican people, last vote, and then you can say to me....if true...."Who's the liar now?"

Until then votes and polls can be rigged by some if not by all...
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Memorie wrote:
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I'm just keeping it real. If you and all of PR could do that, you could make a decision to either become a state or independant and improve your situation, but you don't. PR could try to improve their situation now, but they don't, instead you would rather complain about what was done wrong to you in the past. Get over it! Yes you were invaded by the US, but the US has also helped to support you over 10 generations as well.
You will never make things better by being indecisive, pointing the blame, and dwelling over things that happened over a hundred years ago! You need to get real about your situation, admit your own faults because all of PRs problems are not because of the US and you know it, and find and implement a way to change. If PR does not own up to their own faults and things that need changed, as an independant nation your situation will only be worse.
A colony decides nothing....its lacks the ability to change nothing; it's unable to CHANGE nothing.
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Memorie wrote:
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I'm just keeping it real. If you and all of PR could do that, you could make a decision to either become a state or independant and improve your situation, but you don't. PR could try to improve their situation now, but they don't, instead you would rather complain about what was done wrong to you in the past. Get over it! Yes you were invaded by the US, but the US has also helped to support you over 10 generations as well.
You will never make things better by being indecisive, pointing the blame, and dwelling over things that happened over a hundred years ago! You need to get real about your situation, admit your own faults because all of PRs problems are not because of the US and you know it, and find and implement a way to change. If PR does not own up to their own faults and things that need changed, as an independant nation your situation will only be worse.
It is your prerrogative to twist a reality around into "blame" but that won't change the reality.
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Dave-Lopes wrote:
<quoted text>In some things you say, you are right....When we become an independent nation, that only congress can gives us, we will then begin to ship all the bad ones and lazy ones back to you, either alive or in a coffin. We don't want the bad ones and the lazy ones your welfare systems have help create in Puerto Rico as it also has in the USA...
Help will still be given to the real needy, not to the opportunist lazy ones nor to the lawbreakers of the land. Those we will ship back to the USA since it is your welfare system, not ours...An independent Puerto Rico will be for both the rich and the poor but the educated and the hardworking will survive and run Puerto Rico without making the poorer poorer as the USA has kept many back because of the easy handouts without nay real incentives or motivation to get out of the rut.
First you say many Puerto Ricans are not on welfare and the US does not support you, then you say the US has made you lazy by supporting you. So the US makes the poor poorer by giving them aid? Maybe we should just let them starve so they'll "end up in a coffin" like you say of your own people? If people in PR are not motivated to better themselves or their island, that's on them!

If PR could make their island better on their own, they would have done it by now! Don't blame the US cause you're lazy, that's just ridiculous.

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Jorge wrote:
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It is your prerrogative to twist a reality around into "blame" but that won't change the reality.
Yes, it won't change the reality that PR will never get better without admitting and changing their own faults!

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Memorie wrote:
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PR has not been FORCED to remain a colony...HOW MAY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT! PR has VOTED to stay a commonwealth. If you don't like it, blame the islanders who voted for it, NOT the US!
You and I know the US will never let Puerto Rico go, but it will never let it become a state and that is why Commonwealth status does remain....All the independent voices of Puerto Rico have been silenced by death by the USA, or incarcerated....The USD does not want Puerto Rico as a state because it refuses, or their legal system refuses to change everything over to English only. Plus to give Puerto Rico statehood would be to give a Latin Nation the legal keys to votes in the USA that they yet do not have and the Federal government does not want because it is what it is, A LATIN NATION in the midst of over 600 Latinos south of the border waiting for someone legal to help them come in,,,so the US mentality thinks...
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Dave-Lopes wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be silly, that is just a SYMBOLLIC vote that does not count at all. Only the vote of Congress COUNTS....These votes can be rigged as many have already been proven to be so all over our nation, including in Puerto Rico too....
Now Ask Congress to put us into another island wide vote, once agaion, and then ask them to respect the ultimate vote of the Puerto Rican people, last vote, and then you can say to me....if true...."Who's the liar now?"
Until then votes and polls can be rigged by some if not by all...
Well if the US is in so much "control" why even let you vote? Why even ask your opinion? Why haven't we FORCED you to become a state?
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Memorie wrote:
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Yes, it won't change the reality that PR will never get better without admitting and changing their own faults!
Your "reality" as an ugly American can twist and turn everything into a "fact" but...every serious historian (national and international); every single international forum (historically) has validated MY REALITY-that Puerto Rico is a US colony and it has to be "freed".

Our nation has to rid itself from the burden caused by its "ugly americanism"...it has to strive for perfection.
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Dave-Lopes wrote:
<quoted text>You and I know the US will never let Puerto Rico go, but it will never let it become a state and that is why Commonwealth status does remain....All the independent voices of Puerto Rico have been silenced by death by the USA, or incarcerated....The USD does not want Puerto Rico as a state because it refuses, or their legal system refuses to change everything over to English only. Plus to give Puerto Rico statehood would be to give a Latin Nation the legal keys to votes in the USA that they yet do not have and the Federal government does not want because it is what it is, A LATIN NATION in the midst of over 600 Latinos south of the border waiting for someone legal to help them come in,,,so the US mentality thinks...
Please! Hispanics currently are the largest minority group in the US, so what? Anyway Puerto Ricans already have the "keys" to enter and leave the US if they want. Is PR an asset to the US? Absolutely, and no we don't WANT to let it PR go, but if PR was to rise up and demand independance or statehood they would probably get it. Thing is, they will never do that. The island is happy enough to maintain the status quo...you cannot blame that on the US.

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Memorie wrote:
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I'm just keeping it real. If you and all of PR could do that, you could make a decision to either become a state or independant and improve your situation, but you don't. PR could try to improve their situation now, but they don't, instead you would rather complain about what was done wrong to you in the past. Get over it! Yes you were invaded by the US, but the US has also helped to support you over 10 generations as well.
You will never make things better by being indecisive, pointing the blame, and dwelling over things that happened over a hundred years ago! You need to get real about your situation, admit your own faults because all of PRs problems are not because of the US and you know it, and find and implement a way to change. If PR does not own up to their own faults and things that need changed, as an independent nation your situation will only be worse.
We hear you, but it goes both ways...when will the USA accept it's responsibilities for all the wrongs it has committed not only in PUerto Rico, not only over 113 years ago, but during the last 113 years, but also for all the wrong it too has committed all over the world as well as in Iraq, Afghanistan and now in Egypt too????
Huh? duh!!!

Accpeting responsibitiy for ones actions is one thing, but owning up to it and making those wrongs rigt is another thing altogether...

The US needs to start making its wrong right instead of continuing to make itself right in its wrongs....The we can all love it once again, but until it does it is destroying its own self day by day....

Be good to people on the way cause you will see them on the way down......It is people who can keep you and it is people who can bring you down...just look at both Egypt and other nations...arrogance and denial of any wrong does not pay, sooner or later it will make you face reality and many times it won't be pretty at all.

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