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El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#184 Jul 26, 2014
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#185 Jul 26, 2014
This case covers on so many levels of what some demographics might consider wrong with the system.

In line with Romans chapter 13. It's wrong to commit crimes. I FIRMLY believe that. Period. There also has to be self-accountability.

Nobody forces anyone to commit crimes. NOBODY. Again . It's about self-accountability to oneself.

But, AA's still have the psychological wounds of slavery. There may not be shackles and bondage. But, there's still bondage of the mind.

If one.... for whatever reason doesn't feel as if they're part of the system. They will work against the system and will flout its laws. And then they get caught in its net.

Let's face it...The prison-industrial complex along with the criminal justice system with includes all levels of law enforcement. Be that attorneys, judges, court official and the like is a big business.

Prison is a big business.

We don't have a perfect world. Mankind cannot fix this. Only Jehovah God.

"All this I have seen and applied my mind to every deed that has been done under the sun wherein a man has exercised authority over another man to his hurt".(Ecclesiastes 8: 9) New standard bible
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#186 Jul 26, 2014
Marginalized people.

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#187 Jul 27, 2014
TPMP wrote:
Cuomo may be in hot water.
NY state Attorney general Prett Bharara is on the case. And we know how zealous he can be.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/more...
He'll still ride out this election fine. But, he looks tainted. Especially, when he started this whole anti-corruption probe.
Albany politicians make their own rules....Just a mess. Apparently, the saying "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" doesn't apply to Albany politicians.
And what else is new?...LOL!
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Check back in later.
I think the former Suffolk County Chief Deputy County Executive Regina Calcaterra who headed the Moreland Commission is going to be the 'fall guy'(lady) to save Cuomo's bacon. Preet Bahara is going to dig deep, as a Federal prosecutor he isent going to be cowed by Prince Andy. Someone is going to have to take the blame ...

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#188 Jul 27, 2014
El Cacique wrote:
You know what......I've thought about this again and again.
I'm going to go out on a limb with this one and believe it or not as much i don't want too... I will support Al Sharpton on this. I believe in judging each case on its own merits.
Yes, as i have made clear time and time again...I'm firmly for "law and order"...But, one has to listen to their conscience.
Sharpton is right. The feds should take this on.`
I have looked art that tape again and again...The animalistic officer Daniel Pantaleo clearly used excessive force. It was unnecessary.There were plenty of officers involved. That guy was going nowhere and the choke hold was excessive.
Then the depraved indifference to life that they showed to this individual as he was lying on the ground dying. EMS should be charged as well.
Officer Pantleo has to be fired and be federally charged.
Thank the heavens we finally have all encounters recorded on camera.
This officer should not get away with this.
Thankfully, besides a few traffic tickers here and there...I have not ever been in serious trouble with the law. But, i have a wife, children and a mother just as Mr Garner had. I looked that the anguished faces of this mans wife and mother. It troubles me to think what my family would go through had this injustice been perpetrated against my person.
While i usually lean moderate to conservative...Again, each case should be judged on its own merits and peculiarities.
One has to be a human being with a conscience. This officer was wrong.
This guy has been the focus of multiple IA investigations ... one case can be a sign of someone angry they got the iron bracelets ... two, three, four +, now that's a sign of a bad cop.
TPMP

Astoria, NY

#189 Jul 27, 2014
LongIslander1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
This guy has been the focus of multiple IA investigations ... one case can be a sign of someone angry they got the iron bracelets ... two, three, four +, now that's a sign of a bad cop.
He used excessive force. Period.

It would be an eye opener to see if he is on steroids. I looked at the guys arms as most of us have. He's in fairly decent shape. It was a move that was more akin to a fighter from UFC. That was a sucker grab from behind.

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Garner should have moved his back to the wall. To fully access the situation as best as he could. One should never keep themselves open in any confrontation.

The most weak spot on the body is the eyes, neck, solar plexus and the genital area.
TPMP

Astoria, NY

#190 Jul 27, 2014
Bratton says he'll fix the departments mistakes.

“There’s a term called ‘verbal judo,’ meaning how to talk people down.” said Bratton.“One of the things the NYPD has become very successful in is dealing with emotionally disturbed people or EDPs. We average three or four calls a day where our Emergency Service Units are summoned by our patrol officers for EDPs, who oftentimes barricade themselves inside an apartment. What is not widely known is how frequently and successfully we talk them out. Without injuring them. Without initiating the use of force.”

(unquote)

So, on point. As part of my work history. Back in the late 90's I worked in nightclub security at some of the top night clubs spots in here in the city's meatpacking district. Most the time. It is about projection of authority. It's psychological. Most people can be talked into reason. Sometimes, you will come across someone who is severely unbalanced and or under the influence of narcotics and so on...Restraint then must be used.

“Our police need better training in the use of discretion,” Bratton said.“What you just described is a basic tool of a cop. You can admonish, cite, arrest, or use force to make an arrest if there’s resistance. I think what has happened to a lot of our officers is that in the push to get stop, question and frisk numbers they have lost the power of discretion. They need to be reminded that they don’t have to make an arrest in every instance"

(unquote)

Yes. Discretion, discretion and more discretion. Most cops use good discretion. As i have stated earlier in the thread. They have to size up a situation fairy quickly. The majority of cops are decent who want to get back to their families in one piece. Just average Joes. They will treat just you as you treat them. They have tough job and have to make split second decisions.

I will reiterate MY SUPPORT of "stop and frisk".

As Bratton stats in the article "Stop and frisk" still technically exists. It was also insinuated that perhaps some police don't feel the support from the top so the morele is down and some police like the "jerk" who killed Eric Gardener Officer Pantalione are overreacting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime...
TPMP

Astoria, NY

#191 Jul 27, 2014
LongIslander1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
This guy has been the focus of multiple IA investigations ... one case can be a sign of someone angry they got the iron bracelets ... two, three, four +, now that's a sign of a bad cop.
He has to go. Period. He's no good.

As much as i don't want to be...I'm with Sharpton 100% on this one all the way.

He's going away.

Choke hold is unlawful. It has been since 94.
TPMP

Astoria, NY

#192 Jul 27, 2014
LongIslander1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the former Suffolk County Chief Deputy County Executive Regina Calcaterra who headed the Moreland Commission is going to be the 'fall guy'(lady) to save Cuomo's bacon. Preet Bahara is going to dig deep, as a Federal prosecutor he isent going to be cowed by Prince Andy. Someone is going to have to take the blame ...
Preet will Dig deep, indeed.

Poor Andy...LOL!

If Hillary ultimately decides not to run....He's next in line besides Biden...This may come back to haunt him.
TPMP

Astoria, NY

#193 Jul 27, 2014
Mark-Viverito giving the city away....She must think we are in a communist country. We are supposed to be a country of laws. They are ILLEGALS. What about all the folks who came here LEGALLY?. What good are laws if one does not enforce them?

I liked what one reader stated in the comment section. The reader stated (quote) "NYC is not a garden of money" (unquote)

YES. We have to pay for these people.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140623...

Now, Viverito wants to bring the children that are coming in from the Southern border here, as well.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitic...

Some of them will eventually leak out to the suburbs .....Just where does this madness end?
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#197 Aug 2, 2014
Sharpton says cop should be charged.

I agree. But, this should not be open season on cops, either.

There has to be LAW AND ORDER!

http://nypost.com/2014/08/02/cop-who-used-dea...
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#198 Aug 2, 2014
Staten Island DA Donovan is in a tight spot. He's really backed up against a wall...You see...If he gives the nod to the feds.

His career is all but over.

Many of his constituents are cops and family of cops.

Wisdom should prevail or else this could get worse. Hand him over and let him face justice and hopefully lessons will be learned from this will and it will die down once there is a conviction.

But, cops must be retrained. Sharpton is now talking about marching over the Verrazano bridge if Pantalione is not handed over. This ain't good.
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#199 Aug 2, 2014
Bratton is a goner in that position.

Sharpton has too much power.... Bloomberg handled him with "kid gloves". But wisely kept him at arms length.

Guiliani ignored him altogether.

This can only go South. Mark my words.
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#200 Aug 3, 2014
Mrs Garner:"The cop who killed Eric Garner should rot in prison".

El Cacique: He should certainly be brought to justice for he employed a tactic that is longer legal. But, rot in prison?. No. Should he be fired from NYPD?. Yes. But, again, Should Officer Pantaleo rot in prison?. No....The fact is your deceased husband contributed to his own death by his verbal actions and criminally deviant behavior. DEAL WITH THAT INCONVENIENT FACT!

Mrs Garner:“I want to thank God above for giving us justice for my husband,” she said, referring to the medical examiner’s findings.“So that we can move forward and get this cop done with.”

El Cacique: God has nothing to do with illegal behaviors and criminally deviant behaviors. We have authority in place for a reason....And what do you mean "get this cop done with"?. Are you standing against authority?. The cops are there for our protection. Do we have a perfect system. Of course, not. For mankind is imperfect. But, your husband was no angel with his 31 prior arrests.

Reporter: "Garner appeared lifeless on the sidewalk as cops stood around without trying to revive him. The autopsy said “prone positioning during physical restraint by the police” and Garner’s weight, high blood pressure and asthma were also contributing factors. He weighed about 350 pounds".

El Cacique: As soon as the cops had him down. At that point He was no longer was a viable physical threat. When Erci Gardner said he couldn't breathe. Mouth to mouth should have been administered right on the spot. The cops and EMS failed this man miserably in that respect. His obesity also contribute to his death.

Reporter: "Esaw Garner wore her hair in a ponytail and sported a gray hooded sweatshirt. On the sweatshirt were the words,“This Stops Today"

El Cacique: What should stop today, Mrs Gardner?.What?. How about taking responsibility for oneself and not having to engage in criminally deviant behaviors in the first place?. Could your husband not have gotten a job?. How about exercising self-control and not go on to have 6 kids with a man who couldn't even manage to support one let alone 6.

How about criminal acts stopping today, Mrs Gardner?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/garner-wi...

Continued
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#201 Aug 3, 2014
Reporter: "Eric Garner stated "This stops today"."

"Staten Island prosecutors said the case is still under investigation. Pantaleo, the eight-year cop caught on video putting Garner in a chokehold, has been stripped of his gun and badge."

El Cacique: Poor choice of words at the most unfortunate time...However, cops have to make split-second decisions. Unfortunately, the cop interpreted those words uttered by Mr Gardner to be a threat. Most people would... Much more so an officer of the law.... Not only should Gardner have kept his hands in the air. But, he should NOT have said that. That still does NOT excuse the illegal choke hold on the part of Officer Pantaleao. But, Gardeners words were a threat. CLEARLY.

Reverend Shaprton:“Eric Garner didn’t do wrong that day; the policeman is the suspect,”

El Cacique: Yes, Gardner was wrong, Al.....He was no angel. Nor should you paint him out to be an angel with the sole purpose of getting your "street cred" back.... We always know you were an opportunist. but, this takes the cake along with the Tawana Brawley case.

FACT:Eric Gardner was selling illegal cigarettes. That's a crime.

You're supposed to be a reverend. What does Romans chapter 13 state about the authorities being placed in their relative positions to avenge "on the part of God" until he comes back to take his rightful position?. While the authorities are not perfect. They are there to administer justice. The scripture says "Do good and you get praise from it". Shaprton...What's wrong with you?. Aren't you a reverend. Or are you just a huckster?

Reporter quoting Sharpton: "Sharpton said he has spoken with Staten Island District Attorney Dan Donovan and urged him to act on the homicide ruling. It’s up to Donovan to decide whether to bring criminal charges against Pantaleo or any of the other cops involved" ".

El Cacique: I doubt Donovan will act. His hands are tied. His career is against the rails if he does act... Dam*ed id he does. Dam*ed if he doesn't..... Yes. Pantaleo was wrong. It clearly was manslaughter. But, Gardner was no angel and his past record will work against him.

Sharpton and reporter:“Now is time for the rubber to meet the road. I said to Donovan that there’s probable cause. Probable cause leads to arrest, or you move on and say,‘I’m not handling this; I’m gonna give it to the feds,’” said Sharpton, who met with the Garner family and the Department of Justice on July 25 to request a civil-rights investigation of Garner’s death"

Translation: Again....Sharpton wants his "street cred" back. Especially, since he's catching "flak" from his community for now being a part of the establishment. He's nothing but an opportunist.

Donovan should hand not this in to the feds. I have re-thought and changed my position after speaking with friends of mine this weekend who are on the force. YES...He should be charged with something and FIRED. But, this should NOT go to the feds. This will open up a hornets nest with everyone who has a grievance.

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Frankly. Garners wife should charge him for her services...LOL!(Good comic timing in a stressful story)

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YES...Pantaleo should be fired and all officers need to be retrained. The fact is we don't have a perfect system and we never will in this present day world.

Folks....It's going to be a very long 4 years for Deblasio and we're only 7 months in.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/garner-wi...
El Cacique

Yonkers, NY

#202 Aug 4, 2014
The old adage is true. "Truth is stranger than fiction"

The fellow who taped the infamous Gardner chokehold is now himself arrested.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime...

LOL!....Just weird....You mean to tell me he didn't have enough common sense to keep his nose clean?... He should have known the police would be watching him.

To me this underscores just what kind of environment the police have to face on a day by day basis.

These guys are clearly nobody's choirboys.

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And what's worse is that he can't get anyone to put up $75,000 bail.That alone speaks volumes as to his integrity as an individual.
What, no property as collateral?....There's no mention of the the bail having to be liquid cash.

However, the bail is excessive for such a standard charge.

But, he does have 24 priors....So, i'm sure that played a part in the excessive amount...LOL!. Geez...What stupidity.

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#203 Aug 4, 2014
El Cacique wrote:
Reporter: "Eric Garner stated "This stops today"."
"Staten Island prosecutors said the case is still under investigation. Pantaleo, the eight-year cop caught on video putting Garner in a chokehold, has been stripped of his gun and badge."
El Cacique: Poor choice of words at the most unfortunate time...However, cops have to make split-second decisions. Unfortunately, the cop interpreted those words uttered by Mr Gardner to be a threat. Most people would... Much more so an officer of the law.... Not only should Gardner have kept his hands in the air. But, he should NOT have said that. That still does NOT excuse the illegal choke hold on the part of Officer Pantaleao. But, Gardeners words were a threat. CLEARLY.
Reverend Shaprton:“Eric Garner didn’t do wrong that day; the policeman is the suspect,”
El Cacique: Yes, Gardner was wrong, Al.....He was no angel. Nor should you paint him out to be an angel with the sole purpose of getting your "street cred" back.... We always know you were an opportunist. but, this takes the cake along with the Tawana Brawley case.
FACT:Eric Gardner was selling illegal cigarettes. That's a crime.
You're supposed to be a reverend. What does Romans chapter 13 state about the authorities being placed in their relative positions to avenge "on the part of God" until he comes back to take his rightful position?. While the authorities are not perfect. They are there to administer justice. The scripture says "Do good and you get praise from it". Shaprton...What's wrong with you?. Aren't you a reverend. Or are you just a huckster?
Reporter quoting Sharpton: "Sharpton said he has spoken with Staten Island District Attorney Dan Donovan and urged him to act on the homicide ruling. It’s up to Donovan to decide whether to bring criminal charges against Pantaleo or any of the other cops involved" ".
El Cacique: I doubt Donovan will act. His hands are tied. His career is against the rails if he does act... Dam*ed id he does. Dam*ed if he doesn't..... Yes. Pantaleo was wrong. It clearly was manslaughter. But, Gardner was no angel and his past record will work against him.
Sharpton and reporter:“Now is time for the rubber to meet the road. I said to Donovan that there’s probable cause. Probable cause leads to arrest, or you move on and say,‘I’m not handling this; I’m gonna give it to the feds,’” said Sharpton, who met with the Garner family and the Department of Justice on July 25 to request a civil-rights investigation of Garner’s death"
Translation: Again....Sharpton wants his "street cred" back. Especially, since he's catching "flak" from his community for now being a part of the establishment. He's nothing but an opportunist.
Donovan should hand not this in to the feds. I have re-thought and changed my position after speaking with friends of mine this weekend who are on the force. YES...He should be charged with something and FIRED. But, this should NOT go to the feds. This will open up a hornets nest with everyone who has a grievance.
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Frankly. Garners wife should charge him for her services...LOL!(Good comic timing in a stressful story)
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YES...Pantaleo should be fired and all officers need to be retrained. The fact is we don't have a perfect system and we never will in this present day world.
Folks....It's going to be a very long 4 years for Deblasio and we're only 7 months in.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/garner-wi...
Since when has the Rev Al ever preached understanding? He is not a man of the faith, he is a man of rabble rousing. Tawana anyone?

Nobody is denying that the cops need better training and supervision ... but his way is not the way to go about achieving this.
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#204 Aug 4, 2014
LongIslander1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since when has the Rev Al ever preached understanding? He is not a man of the faith, he is a man of rabble rousing. Tawana anyone?
Nobody is denying that the cops need better training and supervision ... but his way is not the way to go about achieving this.
The rumor is that Prett eventually wants Andy's seat. I believe the rumor has legs.

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There was a good article on of Pat Lynch by Reporter Kirsten Conley in today's NY post. He had me all the way through agreeing with him until the very end when he stated (quote)" Mr Gardner was still breathing and you don't perform CPR on someone who is still breathing" (unquote)

I was aghast when i read that....Both clueless and heartless of him to say that. Gardner was literally dying and struggling for breath. That is the officers and EMS job to keep him alive. That little quote spoke volumes as to his stance... I know he wishes he could take that quote back.
El Cacique

Astoria, NY

#205 Aug 4, 2014
Gn!
El Cacique

Bronx, NY

#206 Aug 6, 2014
NYPD are not happy with Deblasio. They don't see the support from Deblasio....Any moron with even half a brain saw this coming.

Told ya.....It's going to be a long 4 years.

It's unfortunate what happened to Gardner. But, he resisted arrest after engaging in an unlawful act.....The police did what they had to do.

The choke hold is UNLAWFUL and UNNECESSARY. But,again, he resisted arrest. Any number of things can happen at a heartbeat when one resists arrest. The police are a paramilitary organization and are trained as such.

Had Gardner not resisted arrest .He could have went to the appropriate channels and with that tape. He would have had very good potential to be awarded a settlement.

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