Statehood has not worked for US Blacks.

[Jorge]

The poverty ratio among blacks is well above 27 percent.

[Jorge]

nvonews.com/.../18/poverty-in-america-&#8... ...- Cached

[starting with you]

Jorge, I do not understand what you mean. What does statehood has to do with it?
No territory was made a state that was black.

Now, you want to talk about American Indians>
Being absorbed by the US didn't help them.

[Jorge]

starting with you wrote:

Jorge, I do not understand what you mean. What does statehood has to do with it?
No territory was made a state that was black.

Good point!

On the other hand, there's a Black Caucus in Congress.

I wonder what have they done for Blacks or if it didn't exist, if Blacks would be worse off than they actually are.

[LongIslander1987]

The problem with American Indians is that they were royally f--ked over and sent to these reservations in the middle of nowhere where there is no economy beyond running casinos. Some of the tribes actually do very well off the casinos, and live a very middle class existence but again it is dependent on the economy.

The poorest place in the United States is not some inner city ghetto, it's not some dusty border town in Texas, and it's not some remote US territory nobody's ever heard of ... it's in South Dakota, the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation - true 3rd world status.

The BIA needs to do more to encourage business growth and development on Indian land. The FedGov needs to provide more funding to provide basic services, schooling, healthcare, law enforcement, etc.

The Pine Ridge Reservation is so remote that even McDonald's does not want to go there.

[Jorge]

LongIslander1987 wrote:

The problem with American Indians is that they were royally f--ked over and sent to these reservations in the middle of nowhere where there is no economy beyond running casinos. Some of the tribes actually do very well off the casinos, and live a very middle class existence but again it is dependent on the economy.
The poorest place in the United States is not some inner city ghetto, it's not some dusty border town in Texas, and it's not some remote US territory nobody's ever heard of ... it's in South Dakota, the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation - true 3rd world status.
The BIA needs to do more to encourage business growth and development on Indian land. The FedGov needs to provide more funding to provide basic services, schooling, healthcare, law enforcement, etc.
The Pine Ridge Reservation is so remote that even McDonald's does not want to go there.

Statehood did not work for them.

[Jorge]

We have to analyze the reasons.

One of them could be that they are so dispersed along so many states, cities, counties and towns that it does not allow them (as well as Blacks and stateside Hispanics) to gather sufficient power in Washington.

[LongIslander1987]

Jorge wrote:

We have to analyze the reasons.
One of them could be that they are so dispersed along so many states, cities, counties and towns that it does not allow them (as well as Blacks and stateside Hispanics) to gather sufficient power in Washington.

I would say you are correct in your assessment. Remember, American Indian tribes are 'integrated' into their states of resident for Federal elections so it is very rare for one of their own to be elected to advocate on their behalf - notable exceptions include Benjamin Nighthorse Campbell from Colorado.

Puerto Rico in comparison is a completely different ballgame.

[Jorge]

LongIslander1987 wrote:

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I would say you are correct in your assessment. Remember, American Indian tribes are 'integrated' into their states of resident for Federal elections so it is very rare for one of their own to be elected to advocate on their behalf - notable exceptions include Benjamin Nighthorse Campbell from Colorado.

The same has happened to Blacks and Hispanics (too physically disperse to gain enough power anywhere); even within their so called "Black communities" and "Latino communities".

These are overwhelmed by outside forces.

[Jorge]

Native Hawaiians and Alaskans were overwhelmed by outside forces and became minorities in their own states.

[LongIslander1987]

Jorge wrote:

Native Hawaiians and Alaskans were overwhelmed by outside forces and became minorities in their own states.

Both of these occurred before these places even became part of the United States.

The Russians annihilated the Alaskan natives in the 1850s.

[LongIslander1987]

Jorge wrote:

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The same has happened to Blacks and Hispanics (too physically disperse to gain enough power anywhere); even within their so called "Black communities" and "Latino communities".
These are overwhelmed by outside forces.

I disagree here. Many Black and Hispanic communities have alot of pull in Washington.

Take Charles Rangel ... he remains a powerful figure in Congress.
John Conyers is another example.

The problem is that these guys have been around for way to long and have become part of the problem themselves. They are no longer interested in helping the community. It's now about themselves. The classic career politician syndrome. Nevertheless Rangel remains a big "shaker & mover" in Washington.

[El cacique]

LongIslander1987 wrote:

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I disagree here. Many Black and Hispanic communities have alot of pull in Washington.
Take Charles Rangel ... he remains a powerful figure in Congress.
John Conyers is another example.
The problem is that these guys have been around for way to long and have become part of the problem themselves. They are no longer interested in helping the community. It's now about themselves. The classic career politician syndrome. Nevertheless Rangel remains a big "shaker & mover" in Washington.

Jorge doesn't even know what the heck is is talking about half the time.

All he does is "cut and paste".

He has an island inferiority complex. That is apparent.

He shouldn't. Puerto Rico is wonderful place that we all enjoy.

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If he doesn't like the island?. Simple. Then, he should just get up and move.

I guess that's hard when one is 56 and their best days are clearly behind them.

It's all about CHOICES and personal accountability.

[TPMP]

LongIslander1987 wrote:

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I would say you are correct in your assessment. Remember, American Indian tribes are 'integrated' into their states of resident for Federal elections so it is very rare for one of their own to be elected to advocate on their behalf - notable exceptions include Benjamin Nighthorse Campbell from Colorado.
Puerto Rico in comparison is a completely different ballgame.

The American Indian has never been one cohesive nation. That has been part of the problem on why it has traditionally been so easy for our power structure to marginalize them.

The Anglo, French and Spanish settlers were easily able to capitalize on their lack of cohesiveness.

They have been correctly identified as tribes by our government.

Each with their own distinct culture.

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Much different circumstances than the island of Puerto Rico.

[Gitano]

LongIslander1987 wrote:

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I disagree here. Many Black and Hispanic communities have alot of pull in Washington.
Take Charles Rangel ... he remains a powerful figure in Congress.
John Conyers is another example.
The problem is that these guys have been around for way to long and have become part of the problem themselves. They are no longer interested in helping the community. It's now about themselves. The classic career politician syndrome. Nevertheless Rangel remains a big "shaker & mover" in Washington.

I agree, many of these Black leaders are all talk, no action and should have been voted out a loooooooong time ago but if their Black voters are to ignorant to do that, than what does it say about them?

They get what they deserve like so many Hispanics with our zero political standards.

Rangel should have been kicked out of Washington for not paying taxes. I blame the Dems for keeping him because I would have voted to get rid of him.

[Gitano]

TPMP wrote:

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The American Indian has never been one cohesive nation. That has been part of the problem on why it has traditionally been so easy for our power structure to marginalize them.
The Anglo, French and Spanish settlers were easily able to capitalize on their lack of cohesiveness.
They have been correctly identified as tribes by our government.
Each with their own distinct culture.
==========
Much different circumstances than the island of Puerto Rico.

The Indians hate each other. I sometimes go fishing by Seminole area of EverGlades or the Miccosukee area which is closer to Doral and they hate each other which is strange because the Miccosukee are considered to have been part of Seminoles but speaking to a few when I go fishing , they clearly hate each other.

It is same as Hispanics, different islands, countries, cultures and we are tribal which is why it is so easy for our political parasites to play off "ethnic pride" and con us into looking the other way as they fail us miserably while robbing us blind.

[Jorge]

El cacique wrote:

<quoted text>Jorge doesn't even know what the heck is is talking about half the time.
All he does is "cut and paste".
He has an island inferiority complex. That is apparent.
He shouldn't. Puerto Rico is wonderful place that we all enjoy.
==========
If he doesn't like the island?. Simple. Then, he should just get up and move.
I guess that's hard when one is 56 and their best days are clearly behind them.
It's all about CHOICES and personal accountability.

You are obsessed with me which impedes you to stay on topic!

Get help, man!

[Gitano]

LongIslander1987 wrote:

The problem with American Indians is that they were royally f--ked over and sent to these reservations in the middle of nowhere where there is no economy beyond running casinos. Some of the tribes actually do very well off the casinos, and live a very middle class existence but again it is dependent on the economy.
The poorest place in the United States is not some inner city ghetto, it's not some dusty border town in Texas, and it's not some remote US territory nobody's ever heard of ... it's in South Dakota, the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation - true 3rd world status.
The BIA needs to do more to encourage business growth and development on Indian land. The FedGov needs to provide more funding to provide basic services, schooling, healthcare, law enforcement, etc.
The Pine Ridge Reservation is so remote that even McDonald's does not want to go there.

The Indians were screwed but the Miccosukee tribe has faired rather well, they were left in Florida and their casino's and tobacco shops are making a financial killing .

They are rich, no such thing as a poor Miccosukee, none that I have met.
As the saying goes "Seminole Indians are giving air boat rides but the Miccosukee's own the air boats ,the restaurant and get 50% from the Seminoles hard work".

Goes to show how brain triumphs over brawn because Seminoles are the brawn .

The Miccosukee have also told the IRS to go phck themselves and have told me the same thing ,when I went over with a fake birth certificate which stated that I was a Miccosukee and entitled to a piece of the action.

"IRS wins key legal battle as it seeks to collect millions in taxes from the Miccosukees"

The Miccosukees, deploying their status as a sovereign nation, have been fighting for years with the IRS over access to their banking, securities and other records. The federal agency says it should be allowed to examine those records because it has reason to believe the tribe has failed to deduct and withhold income distributed from its gambling enterprise to members for the past decade.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/15/3051620...

[Jorge]

Gitano wrote:

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The Indians were screwed but the Miccosukee tribe has faired rather well, they were left in Florida and their casino's and tobacco shops are making a financial killing .
They are rich, no such thing as a poor Miccosukee, none that I have met.
As the saying goes "Seminole Indians are giving air boat rides but the Miccosukee's own the air boats ,the restaurant and get 50% from the Seminoles hard work".
Goes to show how brain triumphs over brawn because Seminoles are the brawn .
The Miccosukee have also told the IRS to go phck themselves and have told me the same thing ,when I went over with a fake birth certificate which stated that I was a Miccosukee and entitled to a piece of the action.
"IRS wins key legal battle as it seeks to collect millions in taxes from the Miccosukees"
The Miccosukees, deploying their status as a sovereign nation, have been fighting for years with the IRS over access to their banking, securities and other records. The federal agency says it should be allowed to examine those records because it has reason to believe the tribe has failed to deduct and withhold income distributed from its gambling enterprise to members for the past decade.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/15/3051620...

As sovereign nations they ought to demand their place in the international world.

[Gitano]

Jorge wrote:

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As sovereign nations they ought to demand their place in the international world.

The Miccosukee's could not care less and the way they have it set up now it is perfect for them, they are making money hand over foot and wiping their butts with our laws.

I have gone as far as grow out my hair ,put it in a ponytail, get more sun and get a fake Miccosukee birth certificate (made in Hialeah) in an attempt to join them but to no avail.