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Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#21 Apr 2, 2013
Nubeluz wrote:
<quoted text>That is interesting.I did not know this
thanks for the info.
We have tons of Mexican words in our daily language.

Did you know that I have Chicano family?

Actual californios who were Mexicans when invaded by the gringos?

Which explains my activism with the Aztlán movt. and my obession with Mexican history.

Since: Sep 12

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#22 Apr 2, 2013
Jorge wrote:
<quoted text>
We have tons of Mexican words in our daily language.
Did you know that I have Chicano family?
Actual californios who were Mexicans when invaded by the gringos?
Which explains my activism with the Aztlán movt. and my obession with Mexican history.
Wow interesting!Thanks for sharing

My Mother's side have been well established in California,Texas,New
Mexico for generations.I am still learning about my Chicano Heritage.

I know more about my Puerto Rican side than my Chicano side.I sure do have the best od both world's. 2 beautiful cultures Mexican and Puerto Rican loved and admired by many.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#23 Apr 2, 2013
Nubeluz wrote:
<quoted text>Wow interesting!Thanks for sharing
My Mother's side have been well established in California,Texas,New
Mexico for generations.I am still learning about my Chicano Heritage.
I know more about my Puerto Rican side than my Chicano side.I sure do have the best od both world's. 2 beautiful cultures Mexican and Puerto Rican loved and admired by many.
You should listen to us (my family), when we get together-my sister and I speaking Spanish with our Puerto Rican accent; my nephews with their Mexican/chicano one and my brother in law with his Western Cuba/Pinar del Río español...LOL

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#24 Apr 11, 2013
Lowrider History

Many people look at the Lowrider today and do not understand its origins, meanings and values. Many people have adopted this distinctly Chicano invention and attempted to call it their own. The Lowrider. Truly one of the greatest and most beautiful recreations of a plainer and blander version of the automobile that in the eyes of one social group has lost its value and was cast off. Nevertheless, to truly appreciate the Lowrider, you have to understand its roots. To pay proper tribute to the whole concept you have to understand the history of the Lowrider.

In the early years of cars, most Mexican immigrants as well as Chicanos were poor farm workers at best and did not have the money to afford a vehicle. Naturally, as time went by, white middle class America began casting off older cars to acquire the newer models, which to white America is a statement. In the eyes of most of America, a car is no good after 2 to 3 years. You should trade it in and purchase a newer car. The theory of having bigger, newer, shinier version of anything and the wasteful abuse of everything has all but destroyed the family unit, as we know it. Everything in our society is disposable, replaceable and comes with an expiration date including friends and family. The only thing important today in the majority of races living in the United States is “Me” agenda. Selfish pursuits of pipe dreams ending in lonely abandoned old age misery that grasps out of the darkness trying to steal companionship from those who chose a different path. No family, no friends only your material possessions to keep you company in cold silence. These statements may seem out of place, unless you know how the Lowrider was born. The history of the Lowrider tells us about Mexicans and Chicanos and is a statement to be proud of.

When these cast off cars came into the hands of the Chicanos, many of whom were closely tied to their Mexican roots, they began, as all Hispanics are apt to do, to define themselves and make an unintentional statement to the world. Hispanics are proud and resilient if we are nothing else. We make something out of nothing, are grateful for all we get but strive always for something better. We value family and friends, whom without we are nothing, just like everyone else, the difference being we know this to be true. When the Chicanos purchased these cars, they were larger cars usually and the entire family road in them causing them to ride low to the ground. In the beginning, as you can imagine, Chicanos and Mexicans were made fun of for riding in such large groups and I have no doubt that the term Lowrider was a derogatory term, though I have no historical data to back it up to date. Yet, because we find our value in family and see the slanderous terms of White Americans for what they are, fear and jealousy speaking, Chicanos were not deterred.

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#25 Apr 11, 2013
Continued

Because Chicanos loved the way the car road low to the ground, in the early years, bags of sand were added to keep the low profile all the time. As Chicanos began gaining financially, so the quality of all things in their life went up and the means to express ones self in artistic ways was given its first breath of freedom. The once quaint and humble Lowrider burst forth with the bold statement of color, art like no one had ever seen before. The old cast offs of one society remade into a rolling work of art. The financial ability to buy hydraulics and install them an innovation in and of itself took the Lowrider to a whole new level. Air brushed painting on vehicles, done off the top of the head of the artists are a one of a kind production. The loving and classy restoration of the interior of classics respecting the way the vehicle looked previously while gently bringing it into fashion once again another work of art. The adding of rims, spinner, sound systems and a variety of other details to enhance the Lowrider is like the application of makeup to the bone structure of a fashion model. You want to enhance the already apparent beauty as opposed to covering it up by attempting to make it into something it was never meant to be or ever could be. The colors so bright and full of life, tastefully combined to draw the attention. Upon closer inspection, you notice the fine details and artistry that goes into each and every aspect of the Lowrider. The engine is lovingly restored and at times completely replaced, chromed out to mirror perfect reflections, both dazzling and brilliant. Often freehand rendered images of the Catholic faith and Jesus y la Santa Maria adorn our Lowriders. Airbrushed pictures of beautiful women usually inspired by the women the owners and artists love are everywhere. The list of ingredients of the delicacy goes on and on.

The Lowrider may have been born from a humble beginning but it is of no doubt gained a position of royalty as the King of Cars and master of the road. However, the Lowrider is more. It is a statement to the world, which they have openly embraced. It says something about Chicanos and Mexicans, albeit unintentionally, that needs be respected and understood. The Lowrider though accepted internationally and coveted equally is and always should be respected as a uniquely Chicano invention. Nowhere does the beauty of the Chicano Lowrider show itself than at car shows where they are placed next to others Lowriders. There amidst the other contestants stands the owner, usually male but more frequently female, with their family. Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children and friends. We stand with the cars we worked on, usually as a family, depicting beautiful artwork done by a cousin or such. Detailing done by one family member and rims brought with our children along. Hydraulics done by a close family member who eats dinner with us like a cousin and engine restoration done by maybe your dad or an uncle. When you look at the Chicano Lowrider, you are not looking at just a restored or updated car. You are looking at a statement that says yes, we have large families, yes we aren’t like our white counter parts. We are not like anyone at all. We are everything you thought we were, nothing you said we were and we unlike others, can make nothing out of something without taking away from you. We are proud of who we are, we are Chicano and Mexican, making a new way in this world that has been turned into a foreign land, which once belonged to us. Family is everything, and what you throw away we never would.

Since: Sep 12

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#26 Apr 11, 2013
Not only is the Lowrider a visual statement but it is a statement of a way of living. To relax, go slow, be proud, and never sell out who you really are. The Lowrider bring cruising to a whole new level using luxury cars so they feel as good on the road as they look passing by. Taking time to enjoy the good things in life while never forgetting who you are. Looking at something you spent time and money on and being proud of its uniqueness and ingenuity. A proud statement of your beliefs as beautifully rendered as the image of carnal beauty. Passion and fashion poise and grace. Aztecan images mix with Catholic ones. So complex are Chicanos that the possible artistic combinations are endless. A calling card and testimony like no other.

The Lowrider history is fascinating and inspiring, but that is only because of the people who it is really about. Chicanos are looked at as a trouble people by the White ruling society as are Mexican Immigrants. That is only because they are misunderstood. The major troubles they have are racism and targeted media attacks. They are warm, wonderful, creative and resilient and when you look at the Lowrider in the arena of a car show, you will never see anything as beautiful all because of the family and friends that are there creating the background that highlights very well indeed everything the Lowrider ever was and will ever be, a truly Chicano original! Never more beautiful than when it is free rolling down Main Street. Orale!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#27 Apr 11, 2013
Many people look at the Lowrider today and do not understand its origins, meanings and values. Many people have adopted this distinctly Chicano invention and attempted to call it their own. The Lowrider. Truly one of the greatest and most beautiful recreations of a plainer and blander version of the automobile that in the eyes of one social group has lost its value and was cast off. Nevertheless, to truly appreciate the Lowrider, you have to understand its roots. To pay proper tribute to the whole concept you have to understand the history of the Lowrider.
In the early years of cars, most Mexican immigrants as well as Chicanos were poor farm workers at best and did not have the money to afford a vehicle. Naturally, as time went by, white middle class America began casting off older cars to acquire the newer models, which to white America is a statement. In the eyes of most of America, a car is no good after 2 to 3 years. You should trade it in and purchase a newer car. The theory of having bigger, newer, shinier version of anything and the wasteful abuse of everything has all but destroyed the family unit, as we know it. Everything in our society is disposable, replaceable and comes with an expiration date including friends and family. The only thing important today in the majority of races living in the United States is “Me” agenda. Selfish pursuits of pipe dreams ending in lonely abandoned old age misery that grasps out of the darkness trying to steal companionship from those who chose a different path. No family, no friends only your material possessions to keep you company in cold silence. These statements may seem out of place, unless you know how the Lowrider was born. The history of the Lowrider tells us about Mexicans and Chicanos and is a statement to be proud of.
When these cast off cars came into the hands of the Chicanos, many of whom were closely tied to their Mexican roots, they began, as all Hispanics are apt to do, to define themselves and make an unintentional statement to the world. Hispanics are proud and resilient if we are nothing else. We make something out of nothing, are grateful for all we get but strive always for something better. We value family and friends, whom without we are nothing, just like everyone else, the difference being we know this to be true. When the Chicanos purchased these cars, they were larger cars usually and the entire family road in them causing them to ride low to the ground. In the beginning, as you can imagine, Chicanos and Mexicans were made fun of for riding in such large groups and I have no doubt that the term Lowrider was a derogatory term, though I have no historical data to back it up to date. Yet, because we find our value in family and see the slanderous terms of White Americans for what they are, fear and jealousy speaking, Chicanos were not deterred

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#28 Apr 11, 2013
To quote the band War, "the lowrider is the one to meet." For almost one hundred years, lowriders have been not only the one to see, but the one to meet. Stemming from an old Mexican ritual called paseo which made horses the utmost symbol of prestige, lowering stock cars to almost sidewalk level and customizing them dramatically has evolved into the same sort of symbol of status.

From Mexico to Los Angeles to Chicago to the rest of the world, the art of customizing a stock car into a lowrider has been an evolution. In the 1940's lowriders only graced the streets on Sundays. As their popularity began to grow lowriders not only became more plentiful but they became the vehicle of choice for anyone who wanted attention and accolades and cruised the highways on a daily basis.

Since: Sep 12

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#29 Apr 11, 2013
George Barris became the early face of lowriders by combining his creativity with his passion for cars and developing one of the first businesses to customize lowriders for sale. George and his brother, Sam, used their expertise in body work to straighten fenders, bolt on accessories, and use paint schemes that were unheard of during that time. Lowrider creations from the Barris brothers flourished into a very lucrative business. George used his business sense to introduce lowriders to Hollywood which resulted in not only the use of lowriders in many well known movies such as High School Confidential, but it also helped him become "the person" to contact when Hollywood stars wanted to transform their personal vehicles into lowriders.

The original lowrider artists focused mainly on customizing Chevrolet cars because they were less expensive than other manufacturers' vehicles at the time. Today, any brand, make, or model vehicle is fair game to become a lowrider. The art of creating a lowrider has also evolved well beyond using heavy weights and chopping springs to bring the body close to the ground. Modern lowriders feature hydraulics which not only raise and lower the car, but also make it hop, and tilt it from side to side.

By today's standards, the modifications the Barris Brothers made famous with their business Kustoms of America, look pretty minor. Today's lowrider can feature triple dipped chrome accessories, gold plating, spectacular paint schemes, twin side pipes, spot lights, and everything from custom-spoked rims to spectacular spinners. The same pride which motivated early Mexican horse owners to sacrifice their own necessities in order to put more glitz into their horses, still drives modern day lowrider owners to spend a small fortune to craft a vehicle which is a tremendous source of gratification.

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#30 Apr 11, 2013
Exploding from early Mexican-American Sunday cruising to become rap video stars and the utmost way to display cool-status with a car, lowriders have come a long way from their modest beginnings. Back then it only took a little effort and a little time to create a lowrider vehicle which would turn heads. Now lowrider enthusiasts spend thousands and thousands of dollars along with countless hours of body work and modifications to create their show-stopping lowrider masterpieces. The methods may have changed, but the madness is the same, the lowrider is the one to meet!
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#31 Apr 11, 2013
Love cholos!

Thanks, Nube!

Great posting!

Since: Sep 12

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#32 Apr 11, 2013
Jorge wrote:
Love cholos!
Thanks, Nube!
Great posting!
You are welcome Jorge

Since: Dec 12

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#33 Apr 12, 2013
Jorge wrote:
Love cholos!
Thanks, Nube!
Great posting!
You're a phony!

Since: Dec 12

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#34 Apr 12, 2013
You probably look down on them. Many of us know your posting MO.

You can't fool everyone here.

You are clearly a pretend poser-elitist who doesn't have pot to piss in much less a window to throw it out of!!

Hence. The airs, and pretense and barely concealed anger at someone who you perceive to have a better advantage over you.

You are basically a "muerte de hambre". Textbook!

==========

There never was any 4.5 million dollar settlement.

THAT WOULD HAVE MADE NEWS!!!..Even with undisclosed financial termns.

You're full of sh*t!. Period!.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#35 Apr 12, 2013
El cacique wrote:
<quoted text>You're a phony!
And you know what you are...no need to remind you....LOL
Gitano

Miami, FL

#36 Apr 12, 2013
Nubeluz wrote:
To quote the band War, "the lowrider is the one to meet." For almost one hundred years, lowriders have been not only the one to see, but the one to meet. Stemming from an old Mexican ritual called paseo which made horses the utmost symbol of prestige, lowering stock cars to almost sidewalk level and customizing them dramatically has evolved into the same sort of symbol of status.
From Mexico to Los Angeles to Chicago to the rest of the world, the art of customizing a stock car into a lowrider has been an evolution. In the 1940's lowriders only graced the streets on Sundays. As their popularity began to grow lowriders not only became more plentiful but they became the vehicle of choice for anyone who wanted attention and accolades and cruised the highways on a daily basis.
They had a huge lowrider car and lowrider pickup show here 2 yrs ago by Seminole valley casino.

The pickups which you don't see much of are wild looking but for show because you can't use them on dirt roads.
Gitano

Miami, FL

#37 Apr 12, 2013
Nubeluz wrote:
<quoted text>You are welcome Jorge
The classiest lowriders you will ever see as far as old vintage model cars but made to look like off the show floor are owned by snoop doggy dogg.

He was on one of those MTV shows some time ago and he showed his cars.

He is the Jay Leno of vintage lowriders .
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#38 Apr 12, 2013
El cacique wrote:
You probably look down on them. Many of us know your posting MO.
You can't fool everyone here.
You are clearly a pretend poser-elitist who doesn't have pot to piss in much less a window to throw it out of!!
Hence. The airs, and pretense and barely concealed anger at someone who you perceive to have a better advantage over you.
You are basically a "muerte de hambre". Textbook!
==========
There never was any 4.5 million dollar settlement.
THAT WOULD HAVE MADE NEWS!!!..Even with undisclosed financial termns.
You're full of sh*t!. Period!.
You wish....LOL

ROTFLMAO!

You seem to be the only one with a problem about my personal finances....

I don't have any financial problems!

Eat your heart out, TPMP!

Since: Dec 12

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#39 Apr 12, 2013
Jorge wrote:
<quoted text>
You wish....LOL
ROTFLMAO!
You seem to be the only one with a problem about my personal finances....
I don't have any financial problems!
Eat your heart out, TPMP!
Yes. I am the one who will call you out on your BS!.

4.5 million dollar settlement?!. My ass!.

Your endless pathological lies make even the boasts from the Cuban forum look tame.
Gitano

Miami, FL

#40 Apr 13, 2013
Nubeluz wrote:
<quoted text>You are welcome Jorge
It is funny how Hispanics are so similiar . In Miami we have something like las "Cholas" , we call them las "Chusmas".

They are mostly concentrated in Kendal and Hialeah ,some say they are as many as several million strong.

I wouldn't call them a gang in the true sense but like the Cholas more of a cultural type local entity.

You can't tell them by their make up but a clear sign of their chusma affiliation is the 12 hours a day they spend on cell phone whether at work , movie theatre, supermarket, etc.

They speak in a loud screaming voice so everyone around them hears the lies they make up about how rich they are or the fabulous vacation which in truth they never took.

The older chusmas in their 60s plus , ESP the Hialeah bunch enjoy wearing tight lycra white shorts or daisy duke shorts while shopping .

Most people will be victims of these chusmas but as of now the local politicians refuse to acknowledge their existence and thus they act with impunity.

There is a song which mentions the Chusmas .

"Sweet Home Hialeah"

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