Deconstructing Anglo history. Did yo...

Deconstructing Anglo history. Did you know....

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Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#1 Apr 28, 2013
that the first constitutional monarchy started in Spain (not in England)?

In fact, in started in the Catalonia region in the 13th century!
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#2 Apr 28, 2013
...(did you know) that the abolition of slavery was introduced in Spain, way before England...in 1811.

The Spanish constitution of Cádiz (the famous "La Pepa") abolished slavery in 1811 (in all of Spain, including the Spanish province of PR).

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#3 Apr 28, 2013
Technically you are correct however both the US and UK made the slave TRADE illegal in 1807. This is why a combined US Navy and British Royal Navy squadron was sent to west Africa in 1808.

The Magna Carta in 1215 transformed the UK into a constitutional monarchy. The Spanish monarchy retained significant political powers until the 1978 Constitution.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#4 Apr 28, 2013
LongIslander1987 wrote:
Technically you are correct however both the US and UK made the slave TRADE illegal in 1807. This is why a combined US Navy and British Royal Navy squadron was sent to west Africa in 1808.
The Magna Carta in 1215 transformed the UK into a constitutional monarchy. The Spanish monarchy retained significant political powers until the 1978 Constitution.
Technically, you will have to define the US before making any historical allegations.

...and, while at it, try to define what is you call "the Spanish monarchy"; because the UK's Magna Carta was NOT a British action (Britain was yet to be formed in the 13th century), heck it wasn't even formed when the Spanish monarchy was formed (in 1492).

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#5 Apr 29, 2013
Jorge wrote:
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Technically, you will have to define the US before making any historical allegations.
...and, while at it, try to define what is you call "the Spanish monarchy"; because the UK's Magna Carta was NOT a British action (Britain was yet to be formed in the 13th century), heck it wasn't even formed when the Spanish monarchy was formed (in 1492).
Well you are correct that the UK in it's present form was not created until the union of England and Scotland in 1707 ... however using the same logic one could also argue that the US did not exist in it's present form until 1959 :)

But yes, I see what you are saying.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#6 Apr 29, 2013
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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Well you are correct that the UK in it's present form was not created until the union of England and Scotland in 1707 ... however using the same logic one could also argue that the US did not exist in it's present form until 1959 :)
But yes, I see what you are saying.
Good!

Because we're taught (at least I was taught) that the Magna Carta was Europe's first, and it wasn't...(Catalonia did it before England); but you know how it is when a nation is constructing its nationalism (the official story distorts reality in the service of national myths).

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#7 Apr 30, 2013
It's sort of like the argument over the first legislature; some say the Tynwald in the Isle of Man, others say the Virginia House of Delegates, etc.

We here in New York are taught that the Maga Carta was the first and that it later had a huge impact on the US Constitution. As much as many Americans would like to deny it the simple fact is that the UK is the mother country ... well for the time being anyhow.

Since: Sep 12

Houston, TX

#8 Apr 30, 2013
Many times it is not the first that is important, but which is better. If you go for first, has to be Greek philosophers then the Roman Republic. Finally, one can look to the model most copied.
The Spanish model for whatever reason(s) has not fared well.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#10 Apr 30, 2013
JMWinPR wrote:
Many times it is not the first that is important, but which is better. If you go for first, has to be Greek philosophers then the Roman Republic. Finally, one can look to the model most copied.
The Spanish model for whatever reason(s) has not fared well.
The thread is about deconstruction of Anglo history taught in US schools.

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

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#11 Apr 30, 2013
JMWinPR wrote:
Many times it is not the first that is important, but which is better. If you go for first, has to be Greek philosophers then the Roman Republic. Finally, one can look to the model most copied.
The Spanish model for whatever reason(s) has not fared well.
Good point.

Keep posting. Don't let no azzh*le pull you off course.

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