Why did the NPP lost the 2012 elections?

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Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#1 Nov 8, 2012
The NPP lost over 225,000 votes it gained in the 2008 general elections (while statehood was able to gather 80,000 more votes than Fortuño and Agapito).

What happened?
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#2 Nov 8, 2012
If statehood was able to gather 80,000 of the 225,000 Fortuño had over the NPP's 2004 base, then-where are the rest of the 145,000 votes?

Did they stay home?

Many did.

Why?

Are they Democrats fed up with Fortuño's Republican "tactics"?

Could be, for many of the NPP's Democrats were Fortuño's worse enemies (starting with Senate President Rivera Shatz).

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#3 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
If statehood was able to gather 80,000 of the 225,000 Fortuño had over the NPP's 2004 base, then-where are the rest of the 145,000 votes?
Did they stay home?
Many did.
Why?
Are they Democrats fed up with Fortuño's Republican "tactics"?
Could be, for many of the NPP's Democrats were Fortuño's worse enemies (starting with Senate President Rivera Shatz).
Thomas Rivera Schatz is a Republican

I think the "Republican" policies did play a big role especially the 30,000 layoffs.

The vote for PPD was more of a protest against Fortuno then an endorsement of PPD. Notice how, except for Santini, all the big time statehooders were reelected?
TPMP

United States

#4 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
The NPP lost over 225,000 votes it gained in the 2008 general elections (while statehood was able to gather 80,000 more votes than Fortuño and Agapito).
What happened?
It was a strange mix.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#5 Nov 8, 2012
Other NPP's leaders accept that Fortuño was way too detached of Puerto Rico's "reality of poverty" and decided that shareholders and Puerto Rico's bonds' sales, island shares and credit ratings were far more important than rampant unemployment, firing government employees; persecuting the island's left wing, etc.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#6 Nov 8, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>It was a strange mix.
The distance offered by time will help us dissect the NPP's current reality.
TPMP

United States

#7 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
If statehood was able to gather 80,000 of the 225,000 Fortuño had over the NPP's 2004 base, then-where are the rest of the 145,000 votes?
Did they stay home?
Many did.
Why?
Are they Democrats fed up with Fortuño's Republican "tactics"?
Could be, for many of the NPP's Democrats were Fortuño's worse enemies (starting with Senate President Rivera Shatz).
Voter were tired. Besides, nobody likes arrogant people.

They have had enough of Shatz.

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These races are cyclical.

Analysts will be studying this for a long time to come.

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Again....Strange!. Nobody predicted this.

Totally out of left field.

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Crime????....Hmmmmm??
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#8 Nov 8, 2012
The campaign's last few weeks offered an overkill of Agapito's character and persona (instead of diversifying into other important matters, such as statehood vis a vis "libre asociación").
TPMP

United States

#9 Nov 8, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thomas Rivera Schatz is a Republican
I think the "Republican" policies did play a big role especially the 30,000 layoffs.
The vote for PPD was more of a protest against Fortuno then an endorsement of PPD. Notice how, except for Santini, all the big time statehooders were reelected?
(L quote)

"The vote for PPD was more of a protest against Fortuno then an endorsement of PPD"

(unquote)

Bingo!
TPMP

United States

#10 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
The campaign's last few weeks offered an overkill of Agapito's character and persona (instead of diversifying into other important matters, such as statehood vis a vis "libre asociación").
(J quote)

"The campaign's last few weeks offered an overkill of Agapito's character and persona"

(unquote)

For those of us who do not live on the island and ,therefore, are not subject to the relentless onslaught of campaign commercials and analysis...Please explain.

Since: Oct 12

West Islip, NY

#11 Nov 8, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Voter were tired. Besides, nobody likes arrogant people.
They have had enough of Shatz.
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These races are cyclical.
Analysts will be studying this for a long time to come.
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Again....Strange!. Nobody predicted this.
Totally out of left field.
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Crime????....Hmmmmm??
Schatz was the largest at large senator vote getter of either of the 2 main parties, he even got more votes than Eduardo Bhatia.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#12 Nov 8, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Voter were tired. Besides, nobody likes arrogant people.
They have had enough of Shatz.
Think this one through, again.

Tommy was the most voted of all the legislators of any branch.
TPMP

United States

#13 Nov 8, 2012
LongIslander1987 wrote:
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Schatz was the largest at large senator vote getter of either of the 2 main parties, he even got more votes than Eduardo Bhatia.
I know.

He has his constituency. No doubt about that,L. A FIRM one, in fact.

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I was referring to Shatz influence over Fortuno.

The PPD and independistas really do not like him.A character that one loves to hate. He has helped propel PPD into power for now 3 elections.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#14 Nov 8, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>
(J quote)
"The campaign's last few weeks offered an overkill of Agapito's character and persona"
(unquote)
For those of us who do not live on the island and ,therefore, are not subject to the relentless onslaught of campaign commercials and analysis...Please explain.
Every time you would open a newspaper, read any online news; turn on the radio or the tv; you would be faced with a constant attack on Agapito's ambivalent character (minute by minute-I mean every time).

It got to be annoying and you know I can't stand the man for being a wishy washy, double faced liar (but, it got to be way too much).
TPMP

United States

#15 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
<quoted text>
Think this one through, again.
Tommy was the most voted of all the legislators of any branch.
Yes. I know. Read the post above.

Excuse me for not clarifying my point in a more eloquent fashion. I often rush through these posts, while i multitask all day.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#16 Nov 8, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. I know. Read the post above.
Excuse me for not clarifying my point in a more eloquent fashion. I often rush through these posts, while i multitask all day.
This proves that LI and I are not the same person...LOL
TPMP

United States

#17 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
<quoted text>
Every time you would open a newspaper, read any online news; turn on the radio or the tv; you would be faced with a constant attack on Agapito's ambivalent character (minute by minute-I mean every time).
It got to be annoying and you know I can't stand the man for being a wishy washy, double faced liar (but, it got to be way too much).
Simple: Overkill.

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Interesting. While at same time. This is partly "one" of the reasons why i feel that Romney lost. Frankly, he didn't take off the gloves enough.
TPMP

United States

#18 Nov 8, 2012
Jorge wrote:
<quoted text>
Every time you would open a newspaper, read any online news; turn on the radio or the tv; you would be faced with a constant attack on Agapito's ambivalent character (minute by minute-I mean every time).
It got to be annoying and you know I can't stand the man for being a wishy washy, double faced liar (but, it got to be way too much).
Well, if this was a strategy?.

It was BRILLIANT!

He looked like an underdog.

Although, i now believe it was sheer fate for him to win.
TPMP

United States

#19 Nov 8, 2012
Clarification: Well, if the PPD decided as a strategy to let the PNP have a never ending go at him.

Then, they let the PNP end up looking like pack animals in "for the kill" all by themselves.

Again. Overkill.

The PNP were overconfident and stuck in the mire of their own hubris.

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We have to HONESTLY assess in order to learn from our mistakes.

Sometimes, that mirror ain't so pretty.
TPMP

United States

#20 Nov 8, 2012
Thought......

Let's explore it from ALL angles. Let's continue to assess an brainstorm.

Perhaps, folks were equating status and Fortuno's campaign as one and the same?.

Anotherwords, Perhaps, PNP fell into a trap of it's own making.

"They couldn't see the forest for the tree"?....

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