Racism in Puerto Rico during Jim Crow.

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Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#1 Apr 28, 2013
Racism in Puerto Rico did not end in 1965; its still going on strong.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#2 Apr 28, 2013
"...Many scholars agree that Puerto Rico is stratified along color lines, ranging along a color continuum from white to brown to black. Puerto Ricans of darker skin color have faced racial discrimination in private schools, the University of Puerto Rico, private enterprises, voluntary associations and residential areas. Loiza, the town with the largest proportion of black people, is one of Puerto Rico's poorest and has been plagued by complaints of police brutality.

Puerto Ricans have developed an elaborate racist vocabulary to refer to racially stereotyped characteristics. Kinky hair, for example, is referred to as “bad”(“pelo malo”). Meanwhile racial prejudice is apparent in folk humor, beauty contests, media portrayals, and political leadership.[2]..."
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#3 Apr 28, 2013
"....The possibility that social definitions of race were changing in early twentieth century
Puerto Rico was also posited in the 1940s by an American sociologist. Rogler (1946: 80) noted that the rapid decline in Puerto Rico’s non-white population was “probably the consequence of changing race conceptions or, more specifically, the social definition as to who is a person of color. In other words, these percentages would suggest that many persons of color are moving into the white race”(Rogler 1946:80).

Duany takes Rogler to task for suggesting that Puerto Ricans did not (and do not)
differentiate between whites and blacks.

As Duany (2002: 249) notes,“the Puerto Rican
scheme of racial classification is primarily concerned – perhaps even obsessed – with
distinguishing various shades of skin color.” For this reason, it is indeed unlikely that
people of color became “white” in any literal sense – that is, that they were perceived and
treated as if they were “white” in any and all social situations. But for the purposes of the
census, it does indeed appear that people who were classified as non-white in one census
were quite often classified as “white” in the next..."
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#4 Apr 28, 2013
Racial intermarriage during the USA enforcement of Jim Crow laws in Puerto Rico.

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#5 Apr 28, 2013
I agree with this it's very unfortunate, its ironic as well that although black or white islanders are all Puerto Ricans the superiority attitude is still ongoing. I heard many Puerto Ricans of lighter complexion say horrible things of those from Loiza. This is going on in DR in all parts of the world. We have a mix!!! People are still brainwash in this day and age why? My fam has a huge mix starting with my father with blonde hair and blue eyes and my mom trigueña. My dad has been confused with being white is it hard to believe that a Puerto Rican can have blonde hair and blue eyes? Wow

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#6 Apr 28, 2013
mysterysilence wrote:
I agree with this it's very unfortunate, its ironic as well that although black or white islanders are all Puerto Ricans the superiority attitude is still ongoing. I heard many Puerto Ricans of lighter complexion say horrible things of those from Loiza. This is going on in DR in all parts of the world. We have a mix!!! People are still brainwash in this day and age why? My fam has a huge mix starting with my father with blonde hair and blue eyes and my mom trigueña. My dad has been confused with being white is it hard to believe that a Puerto Rican can have blonde hair and blue eyes? Wow
It's all silliness.

Even with all the isuess...Carribean Latins are still light years than most on this issue. The rest of the county is finally catching up with us. There is more of an official recognizing and an acknowledgement of mixed races now than there was previously...And the trend will continue.

We never had the racist issues in the island that were prevalent here. You had poor PR's of all colors living right next to each other.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#7 Apr 28, 2013
El cacique wrote:
<quoted text>It's all silliness....
It is???

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#8 Apr 28, 2013
El cacique wrote:
<quoted text>It's all silliness.
Even with all the isuess...Carribean Latins are still light years than most on this issue. The rest of the county is finally catching up with us. There is more of an official recognizing and an acknowledgement of mixed races now than there was previously...And the trend will continue.
We never had the racist issues in the island that were prevalent here. You had poor PR's of all colors living right next to each other.
I agree, also the confusion that many Latinos face while filling out an application or simply going to your first medical visit. With the "white Hispanic" and "black Hispanic" labels what if you're neither or I have to leave it blank half of the time because I have a big mix I'm nor white hispanic or black its confusing. Someone should write a thread on that it should be interesting.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#9 Apr 28, 2013
TP, you're NOT sharing your hate against gays.

You're simply NOT sharing!

Tell all of US, why do you hate gays so much?

Don't be selfish!
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#10 Apr 28, 2013
mysterysilence wrote:
... black or white islanders are all Puerto Ricans the superiority attitude is still ongoing. I heard many Puerto Ricans of lighter complexion say horrible things of those from Loiza...
This is the "positive sharing" I love about stateside 'Ricans.

Thanks for sharing...

This message is one of the many negative aspects about island Puerto Ricans, especially coming from a NewYorican!

Its just so COOL!

Now, how if I share something positive (in return) about stateside 'Ricans?

Or would that be considered simply UNCOOL!

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#11 Apr 28, 2013
Jorge wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the "positive sharing" I love about stateside 'Ricans.
Thanks for sharing...
This message is one of the many negative aspects about island Puerto Ricans, especially coming from a NewYorican!
Its just so COOL!
Now, how if I share something positive (in return) about stateside 'Ricans?
Or would that be considered simply UNCOOL!
Jorge you're the one who started that thread and I completely disagreed with the racism and shared my experiences with hearing "some" Puerto Ricans say bad things about those from Loiza I was agreeing with you. Don't try flipping it around now

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#12 Apr 28, 2013
WTH, you posted something about some of the ongoing racism in Puerto Rico, I post a comment and you're really trying to flip it around not gonna happen the evidence is right in your thread. Nice try ;)
You on the other hand always have bad things to say and look down on New Yorkers that's your problem. My concern is that we need to consider other people because the constant back and forth is making good posters leave. I'm even including myself when I say "we"
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#13 Apr 28, 2013
mysterysilence wrote:
WTH, you posted something about some of the ongoing racism in Puerto Rico, I post a comment and you're really trying to flip it around not gonna happen the evidence is right in your thread. Nice try ;)
You on the other hand always have bad things to say and look down on New Yorkers that's your problem. My concern is that we need to consider other people because the constant back and forth is making good posters leave. I'm even including myself when I say "we"
Exactly, by "flipping it" I'm widening the discussion.

Got it?

And on me, having problems with New Yorkers,(you're so, OH so wrong).

Have you noticed I always post about SOME NewYoricans?

Hey, half of my family lives in most of the 50 states and of those-most of them are NewYoricans (and you can bet your last dollar, I am definitely NOT "talking" about them).

And if "good posters" have left or are about to leave-then good riddance...

This is no Mickey Mouse club (and you're definitely not a young Annette Funicello)...LOL

If some can't take the heat; then so long-Cya'(I don't wanna be ya').

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#14 Apr 28, 2013
I rest my case, you win as usual
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#15 Apr 28, 2013
mysterysilence wrote:
I rest my case, you win as usual
I don't see life as a win or lose situation. That's the usual US view of life (mine is a blend of Latin American and the US).

My life, which has been a struggle since day one, has been about "marking" my territory and trying to make my own place under the sun.

Carving out our niche, IS the Puerto Rico way of life.

Since: Dec 12

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#16 Apr 28, 2013
That's great Jorge,

That's pretty sad that you don't care about some posters leaving, even those you get along with but at least you're being honest.

You're right this is not the mickey mouse club, and I would never expect for everyone to see eye to eye nor do I believe there won't be arguments, but I'm pointing out that if we can at least try to limit the arguments and respect each others threads by not bringing the constant feud that has nothing to do with the subject, it will make the forum a bit more pleasant that's just my opinion.

But I see thats not going to happen, so I will leave it at that we can agree to disagree on this matter.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#17 Apr 28, 2013
mysterysilence wrote:
That's great Jorge,
That's pretty sad that you don't care about some posters leaving, even those you get along with but at least you're being honest.
You're right this is not the mickey mouse club, and I would never expect for everyone to see eye to eye nor do I believe there won't be arguments, but I'm pointing out that if we can at least try to limit the arguments and respect each others threads by not bringing the constant feud that has nothing to do with the subject, it will make the forum a bit more pleasant that's just my opinion.
But I see thats not going to happen, so I will leave it at that we can agree to disagree on this matter.
Tonight you're only posting about "sadness".

On a more uplifting note, if you believe that people are (what is it you called it?) "forced" to leave; then you really believe all the nonsense about "peace" and "love".

If "peace" is defined by what some people decide; then fascism, comunism and all the "isms" are all about (dare I say it?) PEACE???????

Come on, give me a freaking break!

Forums are constant feuds!

Forums are about challenging people to see another perspective.

If its (dare I say it????) unpleasant, there-I said it!; TOPIX is definitely NOT Pleasant Street.

All those who thought otherwise, have left!

Good riddance!

TP's hate agains gays is part of life!

His unpleasantness is what gays find each and every day everywhere (sadly, some, even in their own homes).

My wish for TP's children is that they "BECOME" (ROTFLMAO!) gays and lesbians....

They guy's so uneducated that he really thinks is all about "BECOMING"...

LOL

hahhahahahahahhahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahaha

By the way, I see you never take sides on TP's gay constant gay bashing?

Why is that?

Oh! I forgot, you and him base your relationship on common grounds (and the Bronx NewYorican pull is way stronger).

TSK, TSK....

At least you're honest (by not taking any sides)!

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#18 Apr 28, 2013
Agree to disagree I'm not going down this road with you!!! Been there done that. Do as you please Jorge.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#19 Apr 28, 2013
mysterysilence wrote:
Agree to disagree I'm not going down this road with you!!! Been there done that. Do as you please Jorge.
You???

"giving permission"???

Come on, now...this is no Mickey Mouse club and you're no Annette Funicello!

Annette's dead (dead as a door knob)...LOL

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#20 Apr 29, 2013
It's an expression Jorge, I'm not demanding anything you're a grown man. Do as you please as in proceed don't take it out of context. I know I'm no annette I've had tons of arguments in my short time here I never tried to say I never engaged in them. I'm just trying to stay out of drama but I failed greatly at my attempt. Ok time for bed I'm done for tonight.

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