Nobel winner slams Bible as 'handbook of bad morals'

[Gillette]

>>Thales
I didn't say that. Maybe I didn't complete the explanation. Stories like Genesis are not alegories, they do not make an attempt to make sense of the world around them. I said they use figurative and representative language to describe principles and Truths.

>>>Gillette
OK, but you ducked out of answering earlier when I asked you if Noah's Flood really happened, and what exactly is the "principle and truth" behind that story in Genesis.

Did you God, in fact, destroy all of life on earth to "start over again"? Because your Bible plainly says He did.

>>Thales
THE VARIED RISKS OF MONOGAMOUS HETEROSEXUAL BEHAVIOR

......None

>>>Gillette
I wonder why you can't summon the decency and basic honesty to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

What are...

THE VARIED RISKS OF MONOGAMOUS SAME-SEX BEHAVIOR, i.e gay marriage?

[Atheist]

Hello

Thales

//I believe the World Net Daily excerpts were referrencing more credible sources.//

So do the people who buy the Nation Enquirer every week...

Doesn't make it Any more Nonsense then it is...

What you need my friend is to get reliable sources that aren't Agenda driven..

These types of "news" sources and I use that the term "news" Extremely Loosely feed your Agenda driven Nonsense...

How can you go through life feeling good about yourself and what you believe in when you Justify Hatred ( Which Exactly what it is) of people using that kind on Mindless Manufactured, Agenda Driven Garbage...

If you Honestly believe the Stats you posted, then I'm Sorry,, you're a Intellectual Dishonest and Pathetic human being, and you should be Utterly Ashamed at Yourself...

A.

[Thales]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Thales
//I believe the World Net Daily excerpts were referrencing more credible sources.//
So do the people who buy the Nation Enquirer every week...
Doesn't make it Any more Nonsense then it is...
What you need my friend is to get reliable sources that aren't Agenda driven..
These types of "news" sources and I use that the term "news" Extremely Loosely feed your Agenda driven Nonsense...
How can you go through life feeling good about yourself and what you believe in when you Justify Hatred ( Which Exactly what it is) of people using that kind on Mindless Manufactured, Agenda Driven Garbage...
If you Honestly believe the Stats you posted, then I'm Sorry,, you're a Intellectual Dishonest and Pathetic human being, and you should be Utterly Ashamed at Yourself...
A.

The Center for Disease Control (CDC)
Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition (a gay rights advocacy group)
American Journal of Psychiatry
Family Research Institute
International Journal of Epidemiology
Journal of Social Service Research

These aren't reputable sources?
Do I have to get my information from the American Atheist Society in order for you to not think it is biased?

[Patriot]

A Song of Praise from me to you - Turn it up - Enjoy and be at Peace and Rest in Him!

And remember - In the very heart of His Word He states -

"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man." Psalm 118:8

You have His Word on it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.wake-up.org/Alpha/Subjindex.htm

One More...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

God Bless!!

[Atheist]

Hello

Thales..

//The Center for Disease Control (CDC)//

No No...

You don't give Evidence by posting a Gaggle of names..

I want Direct links from at least 3-4 of these names you've listed...

The way you give evidence is make a Statement,, Then Back it up with a Link...

Anyone can Say Anything the way you run the show...

Unacceptable..

//These aren't reputable sources?//

They may be,, but when you've posted your evidence properly,, We'll see what the "official" word is..
What you are showing is 3rd party Hearsay, which adds up to Zilch...

//Do I have to get my information from the American Atheist Society in order for you to not think it is biased?///

Nope,, but I Need to see it from the horse's mouth,, not from some 3rd party...

A.

[Gillette]

Thales

You've really revealed yourself for what you are in the last half-day or so, haven't you? Down comes the mask of the avuncular, kind, good-hearted Christian, full of Jesus' love, etc. etc.

Instead, we get the usual diatribes against homosexuals, full of lurid (and presumably fascinating to you) details about anal fistulas and gonorrhea, etc.

[Wayne]

Gillette wrote:

Did you God, in fact, destroy all of life on earth to "start over again"? Because your Bible plainly says He did.

>>>Gillette

Why must you atheists take everything in the bible so literal? He did NOT destroy ALL life on earth, just where the offspring of the fallen angels and earthly women lived. Didn't get ALL of them though, a few more popped up from time to time but they were finally all slaughtered.

Watching you try to interpret a book you don't even believe is hilarious.

[Wayne]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Thales..
//The Center for Disease Control (CDC)//
No No...
You don't give Evidence by posting a Gaggle of names..
I want Direct links from at least 3-4 of these names you've listed...
The way you give evidence is make a Statement,, Then Back it up with a Link...
Anyone can Say Anything the way you run the show...
Unacceptable..
//These aren't reputable sources?//
They may be,, but when you've posted your evidence properly,, We'll see what the "official" word is..
What you are showing is 3rd party Hearsay, which adds up to Zilch...
//Do I have to get my information from the American Atheist Society in order for you to not think it is biased?///
Nope,, but I Need to see it from the horse's mouth,, not from some 3rd party...
A.

From the US National Library of Medicine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6765390

Enteric diseases of homosexual men.

Baker RW, Peppercorn MA.

Certain enteric ailments are particularly common among homosexual men. They are primarily infectious diseases and include not only such common venereal diseases as gonorrhea and syphilis but also infections not usually regarded as being sexually transmitted. Among the latter are shigellosis, salmonellosis, giardiasis, and amebiasis. Patients' symptoms are non-specific and seldom helpful in diagnosing particular diseases. The practitioner must be prepared to identify a number of infections with similar presentations that may occur singly or together in gay men. Gonorrhea is probably the most common bacterial infection in gay men. Carriage rates as high as 50% have been reported, and extra-genital carriage is common; this necessitates culturing the urethra, rectum, and pharynx. Procaine penicillin G is the treatment of choice for most patients; spectinomycin is probably the drug of choice in penicillin-sensitive patients. In contrast to other venereal diseases, syphilis may have a characteristic protoscopic presentation. Benzathine penicillin G is the treatment of choice for most patients. Lymphogranuloma venereum causes penile lesions and inguinal lymphadenitis in heterosexual men, whereas homosexual men are more prone to proctitis. The disease may mimic Crohn's disease. Recommended treatment includes tetracycline or sulfamethoxazole-trimethoprim. Shigellosis usually presents as an acute diarrheal illness. Patients generally require only supportive treatment with fluids. Herpes simplex viral infection is difficult to diagnose and has several different presentations, including lumbosacral radiculomyelopathy. Symptomatic treatment with sitz baths, anesthetic ointment, and analgesics is recommended. Venereal warts are believed to be caused by the same virus that causes verrucous warts; they are usually found in the anal canal or around the anal orifice. They are commonly treated with 25% podophyllin solution. Parasitic infections include giardiasis, amebiasis, and pinworm infections. Metronidazole may be used in the treatment of symptomatic giardiasis and amebiasis, but it is not approved for the former indication; quinacrine is approved for giardiasis. Pinworm infestation may be treated with pyrantel pamoate or mebendazole. Cure of enteric diseases in homosexual men must be documented.

[Wayne]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Thales..
//The Center for Disease Control (CDC)//
No No...
You don't give Evidence by posting a Gaggle of names..
I want Direct links from at least 3-4 of these names you've listed...
The way you give evidence is make a Statement,, Then Back it up with a Link...
Anyone can Say Anything the way you run the show...
Unacceptable..
//These aren't reputable sources?//
They may be,, but when you've posted your evidence properly,, We'll see what the "official" word is..
What you are showing is 3rd party Hearsay, which adds up to Zilch...
//Do I have to get my information from the American Atheist Society in order for you to not think it is biased?///
Nope,, but I Need to see it from the horse's mouth,, not from some 3rd party...
A.

And here ya go A, Knock yourself out. 6,404 links to homosexual related sexual diseases.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed...

[Gillette]

>>>Wayne
Why must you atheists take everything in the bible so literal? He did NOT destroy ALL life on earth, just where the offspring of the fallen angels and earthly women lived. Didn't get ALL of them though, a few more popped up from time to time but they were finally all slaughtered.

>>>Gillette
Or so teaches your crackpot, Aryan Nations, white racist, Jew-baiting Shepherd's Chapel hillbilly guru -- Pastor Arnold Murray.

http://www.watchman.org/profile/murraypro.htm

[Wayne]

Gillette wrote:

Thales
You've really revealed yourself for what you are in the last half-day or so, haven't you? Down comes the mask of the avuncular, kind, good-hearted Christian, full of Jesus' love, etc. etc.
Instead, we get the usual diatribes against homosexuals, full of lurid (and presumably fascinating to you) details about anal fistulas and gonorrhea, etc.

And you have revealed yourself for the bias bigot you are against Christians. When presented with proof, you attack.

[Nettiebelle]

Wayne wrote:

<quoted text>
Why must you atheists take everything in the bible so literal? He did NOT destroy ALL life on earth, just where the offspring of the fallen angels and earthly women lived. Didn't get ALL of them though, a few more popped up from time to time but they were finally all slaughtered.
Watching you try to interpret a book you don't even believe is hilarious.

the angels fell and were punished in accord with the primordial rebellion of Lucifer. There was no "subsequent fall" of the angels, just as there can be no future falls. Rather, the choices of angels at the time of the War (for or against God) were irrevocable .
angels are purely spiritual beings; and if they are purely spiritual, then they simply cannot biologically reproduce with human beings ...because they possess no biological material to pass on to such supposed "offspring." That goes without saying. Also, consider the words of the Lord Himself in Matt 22:30, where, speaking of mankind at the end of time, He says ....

"At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

if you want to stick with the Bible, you cannot say that angels (or a class of angels) once could father children, but now cannot ...because such angels were clearly still "having kids" LONG after the Flood, and into the reign of David and beyond. But, according to your interpretation, drawing from 2 Peter, the angels of Genesis 6 were condemned to Tartarus in the DAYS OF NOAH (2 Peter 2:4-5). So, according to Scripture, this was not merely an antediluvian phenomenon; and if your really want to take it literally, then what that means is a) angels still fall (despite the Church's teaching to the contrary ...that all angelic beings made their final decision during the War against Lucifer) and b) that God neglected to punish the angels who "fathered children" after the Flood ...because Scripture never says that they were punished, but only the antediluvian "Watchers" were.

And so, since both a) and b) above cannot solve the problem posed by a literal interpretation of Genesis 6 (i.e., how were the Nephilim the literal offspring of angelic beings, complete with inheriting their supernatural attributes), how can you say, then (setting aside the Church's Magisterial statements to the contrary) that angelic beings can (or could) reproduce? http://www.catholic-legate.com/dialogues/gene...

[Atheist]

Hello

Wayne..

//And here ya go A, Knock yourself out. 6,404 links to homosexual related sexual diseases.//

LMAO

Stop the Presses,, Gay Men can get AIDS and other STDS...Who in the Hell would have Thought that...

Come on Wayne.. We All know that...

Hey Guess What..

Smokers are at higher Risk of lung cancer, heart disease etc etc etc...

It's the Exaggerated claims Wayne...
Take Any group of people and use the same criteria and you have extremely similar results.. Everything we do in life has Risks...

Meaningless and Still doesn't Justify your Hatred...

Better get on those Smokers and Drinkers Wayne....

A.

[Thales]

Atheist wrote:

Hello
Thales..
//The Center for Disease Control (CDC)//
No No...
You don't give Evidence by posting a Gaggle of names..
I want Direct links from at least 3-4 of these names you've listed...
The way you give evidence is make a Statement,, Then Back it up with a Link...
Anyone can Say Anything the way you run the show...
Unacceptable..
//These aren't reputable sources?//
They may be,, but when you've posted your evidence properly,, We'll see what the "official" word is..
What you are showing is 3rd party Hearsay, which adds up to Zilch...
//Do I have to get my information from the American Atheist Society in order for you to not think it is biased?///
Nope,, but I Need to see it from the horse's mouth,, not from some 3rd party...
A.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services

based in Atlanta, Georgia.
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http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/common-downloads.h...
Link to official CDC document outlining high risk groups for HPV virus and the HPV virus' link to anal cancer.
Here are some highlights...
"What makes a person more likely to get genital HPV? Most sexually active people get genital HPV. You’re more likely to get genital HPV if you have: sex at an early age, multiple sex partners, or a sex partner who has had multiple partners. "

"Research shows that Genital HPV is passed on by:
Genital contact with a person who has genital HPV, including:
-Vaginal sex with a person who has genital HPV
-Anal sex with a person who has genital HPV"

"Genital HPV is common in men. However, it rarely causes serious health complications in heterosexual men."
Thales: interesting that they felt the need to qualify this statement by explicitly mentioning heterosexual men.....could this imply that HPV does

cause serious health complications in homosexuals?
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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/0003...
Official article tracking the rates of HIV in men who participate in homosexual activity.
"Although previous reports indicated progressively smaller annual increases in cases of AIDS among men who have sex with men (MSM)(1),

male-to-male sexual contact continues to represent the most frequently reported mode of HIV transmission among persons with AIDS. "
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http://www.cdc.gov/std/research/2001/Wolitski...
Official CDC article documenting some trends in risky homosexual behaviors and their link to HIV/AIDS.
"Are We Headed for a Resurgence of the HIV Epidemic Among Men Who Have Sex With Men?"

[Thales]

American Psychological Association (APA) a professional organization representing psychologists in the U.S., with around 150,000 members

and an annual budget of around $70m.
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November American Psychologist (Vol. 56, No. 11) by Susan Cochran
Article from "American Psychologist" (The Official Journal of the American Psychological Association)
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American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse 16.n3-4 (Sept-Dec 1990): pp207(16).(4103 words)
"The survey included questions about sexual behavior and drug abuse, and these data were used to determine whether people who engage in high-risk sexual behavior are more likely to have a pattern of high-risk substance abuse. "
Note: In order to view articles like this you need access to a university who has access to article databases like Jstor.
Some highlights...
* Higher rates of major depression, generalized anxiety disorder and substance use or dependence in lesbian and gay youth.

* Higher rates of recurrent major depression among gay men.

* Higher rates of anxiety, mood and substance use disorders, and suicidal thoughts among people ages 15 to 54 with same-sex partners.

* Higher use of mental health services in men and women reporting same-sex partners.
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http://find.galegroup.com.portal.oaklandcc.ed...
American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse 16.n3-4 (Sept-Dec 1990): pp207(16).(4103 words)

"The results showed a striking correlation between high-risk sexual behaviors and substance use patterns, when both factors were considered over the person's lifetime."
"Drug use was also linked to sexual promiscuity and to homosexual relationships (for both men and women). "

"Sexual preference. As shown in Fig. 5, 1.6% of men and 1.3% of women reported having engaged in at least one postadolescent homosexual experience after the age of 18 years. Comparing the rates of substance use among this group (Fig. 5) with those of the general population (Fig. 1), we found the population of women with reported homosexual experiences who abused any substance (79%) to be comparable to the proportion of women in the general population who did not use substances (77%). Substance abuse was also common among men with homosexual experience (88%). A history of hard drug use was high among men and women acknowledging homosexual activity compared to others (p < .001). Almost half (46%) of the men and over one-fourth (27%) of the women reported lifetime use of hard drugs. Not only was homosexual activity related to high rates of illicit drug use, and specifically patterns which included hard drug use, but persons acknowledging homosexual experience who used any illicit drugs, regardless of gender, were twice as likely as the general population to report a period of heavy use, defined as daily use of illicit drugs for at least 2 weeks.

Relationship between patterns of sexual behavior and drug use. The lifetime patterns of illicit drug use fluctuated with the variety of high risk sexual behavior. For example, women who were unfaithful in marriage were most likely to use hard drugs. Women acknowledging prostitution were at next highest risk, followed by those who reported having homosexual experiences and promiscuous women. Among men, the high risk patterns of substance use were most likely among those engaging in homosexual behavior and prostitution. "

[Thales]

Archives of Internal Medicine - The Archives of Internal Medicine is an international peer-reviewed professional medical journal published

twice a month by the American Medical Association.
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Characteristics of Patients With Syphilis Attending Baltimore STD Clinics
Archive of Intern Med. 1991;151:511-516
-"Patients admitting to intravenous drug use, prior syphilis, or being homosexually active were significantly more likely to be HIV seropositive

than patients without these characteristics...."

[Thales]

Atheist wrote:

Hey Guess What..
Smokers are at higher Risk of lung cancer, heart disease etc etc

That's exactly right, and out of charity it is right for us to inform smokers of the risks and urge them not to engage in that behavior.

[Gillette]

Yes, you Catholic creep, your only motives in posting all of that hateful, one-sided stuff is to be "charitable." LOL

Jesus is turning over in his grave.

[Thales]

Gillette wrote:

Yes, you Catholic creep, your only motives in posting all of that hateful, one-sided stuff is to be "charitable." LOL
Jesus is turning over in his grave.

Why have you become so malicious, calling me names and all that? I thought we were having a thoughtful exchange of ideas? You brought up good points before and I responded as fairly as I could with reason and to the best of my knowledge.
If you think my position is one sided, present the other side, don't call me names.

[Gillette]

>>>Thales
Why have you become so malicious, calling me names and all that?

>>>Gillette
We're only just getting started, believe me.

>>>Thales
I thought we were having a thoughtful exchange of ideas? If you think my position is one sided, present the other side, don't call me names.

>>>Gillette
Posting all of that one-sided, out of context health statistic stuff is rather sleazy, and it's exactly what the Christian hatemongers who make their living attacking gays and lesbians do.

That's the company you are presently keeping. Shame on you.

Now read this slowly. Try to get it.

Is promiscuity unhealthy and does it lead to problems? Yes, of course. Almost everyone would agree with that.

Is the VAST MAJORITY of the unhealthy and problematic promiscuity on this planet engaged in by HETEROSEXUALS like you (and me)? Yes, of course.

Using your inane logic, if it dangerous (based on your one-sided statistics) to be gay, then it's WAY more dangerous to be straight.

And you never did respond. What exactly are the extraordinary health hazards of committed, loving, monogamous same-sex relationships?