Repeat burial for Poland's president-in-exile, misidentified after death in 2010 plane crash

Nov 3, 2012 Read more: The Washington Post 65

A repeat burial has been held for Poland's last president-in-exile, whose body was misidentified and buried in the wrong grave following the 2010 plane crash in Russia that killed 96 people.

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polski kielbasa

Lake Worth, FL

#1 Nov 3, 2012
Not surprising really. Polaks can screw most anything up.
Russkie sandwich

Bedminster, NJ

#2 Nov 4, 2012
polski kielbasa wrote:
Not surprising really. Polaks can screw most anything up.
Russkies have that affect on people. That's what happens when you have Russkies around.

“In the cockles of weirdness”

Since: Oct 12

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#3 Nov 4, 2012
polski kielbasa wrote:
Not surprising really. Polaks can screw most anything up.
So are they blaming the Russians for this too?!
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#4 Nov 4, 2012
Ape were you the mortician. Did you collect the chimp peckers.
Annie

Southampton, UK

#5 Nov 4, 2012
Cassie it's not 100% clear but collation of remains and DNA tests were done by a Russian team as they were in charge. It's clear from shocking photos published by some guy in Siberia that this was not done with as much care as should be the case for such a high profile catastrophe. Mistakes were made, for example there was an arm from one body placed with another set of remains in one coffin. The Polish leader has apologised to the state for mistakes, but it's not clear what the Russian side are thinking, if anything.... The clear message is zero respect and shocking indifference.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#6 Nov 4, 2012
DNA was done by Russians, I read.
However, DNA of chimps is very much the same in all cases, I read.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#7 Nov 4, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
DNA was done by Russians, I read.
However, DNA of chimps is very much the same in all cases, I read.
Jews have DNA of chimp like creatures.

That is why Jews have Sub Saharan African genetics while Polish people don't.

Jews are filthy garbage who should be eliminated.

Since: Aug 12

Brewster, NY

#8 Nov 4, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
DNA was done by Russians, I read.
However, DNA of chimps is very much the same in all cases, I read.
Jews look like chimps. A lot of Jews look like monkeys.

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#9 Nov 5, 2012
Annie wrote:
Cassie it's not 100% clear but collation of remains and DNA tests were done by a Russian team as they were in charge. It's clear from shocking photos published by some guy in Siberia that this was not done with as much care as should be the case for such a high profile catastrophe. Mistakes were made, for example there was an arm from one body placed with another set of remains in one coffin. The Polish leader has apologised to the state for mistakes, but it's not clear what the Russian side are thinking, if anything.... The clear message is zero respect and shocking indifference.
Quick question - if Cameron died in a plane crash in ANY other country (not just Russia), when the UK got the body back, would they do their own DNA test? Wouldn't they make sure the right body (and all its parts) got into the right grave?

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#10 Nov 5, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
DNA was done by Russians, I read.
However, DNA of chimps is very much the same in all cases, I read.
I think the Polish government just accepted whatever the Russian tests said and didn't bother checking. Polaks are very trusting!
The US is closest to the UK but if our president died in a plane crash in the UK, we'd have done independent testing to insure the right body part got into the right grave. I think it's important to do even though we have no reason not to trust what the British told us.
Annie

Southampton, UK

#11 Nov 6, 2012
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Quick question - if Cameron died in a plane crash in ANY other country (not just Russia), when the UK got the body back, would they do their own DNA test? Wouldn't they make sure the right body (and all its parts) got into the right grave?
Britain would have insisted on carrying out the investigation in the first place so that wouldn't be an issue. They would be far more vocal about having all the evidence. If it had happened in Russia, America would certainly be far more involved because of UK/US ties. But Britain is a far more powerful country than Poland, with more powerful allies and has a mild climate...
Annie

Southampton, UK

#12 Nov 6, 2012
In any case Cassie, if there had been an independent investigation in Poland which then found bodies were mixed up during the Russian investigation, don't you think Russia should have apologised? Don't you think the UK would have? Most certainly they would. But then US relations are important to the UK.

You cannot argue aginst the fact that the whole situation is appalling.

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#13 Nov 6, 2012
Annie wrote:
In any case Cassie, if there had been an independent investigation in Poland which then found bodies were mixed up during the Russian investigation, don't you think Russia should have apologised? Don't you think the UK would have? Most certainly they would. But then US relations are important to the UK.
You cannot argue aginst the fact that the whole situation is appalling.
Don't you think the Poles should have checked first before burying the bodies?! lol

It's like blaming the Russians for putting all those officials on the same plane. Poland takes NO responsibility whatsoever.
Annie

Southampton, UK

#14 Nov 6, 2012
Yes I do.

Do you think that makes it right to get the bodies mixed up in the first place? That seems to be your point.

I guess you think it's all amusing which shows how little respect you have for the dead.

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#15 Nov 6, 2012
Annie wrote:
<quoted text>
Britain would have insisted on carrying out the investigation in the first place so that wouldn't be an issue. They would be far more vocal about having all the evidence. If it had happened in Russia, America would certainly be far more involved because of UK/US ties.
You know the point I'm trying to make so you avoid addressing it.
Annie wrote:
<quoted text>But Britain is a far more powerful country than Poland, with more powerful allies and has a mild climate...
Yes, and the US is a far more powerful country than... well, gosh, anyone! with more powerful allies than anyone but the climate isn't the best in ALL areas. Not in NY/NJ at least.

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#16 Nov 6, 2012
Annie wrote:
Yes I do.
Do you think that makes it right to get the bodies mixed up in the first place? That seems to be your point.
???
You know very well that my point is the Poles should have checked. It was their responsibility.
Annie wrote:
I guess you think it's all amusing which shows how little respect you have for the dead.
Troll, explain to me what I said that makes it seem to you that I'm amused?

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#17 Nov 6, 2012
Dumb Polaks unable even to identify their crappy president in exile. lol.
Annie

Southampton, UK

#18 Nov 6, 2012
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>???
You know very well that my point is the Poles should have checked. It was their responsibility.
Maybe you should put on your reading glasses dear. Not only did I address this in the post you replied to, but I've also said in my original post that the Polish pm has apologised for mistakes. I've said before that they should have re-examined the bodies. It's still not clear why they didn't. There was a widespread message that Russia ordered the coffins not be re-opened but it's not clear who gave that order.

The question is when will russia apologise for their part in the mix up of DNA? They insisted on doing the tests and handling the bodies and all the evidence, some of which they refuse to return. Should Poland have repeated the entire investigation and if so what message would that have sent to Russia? It's because Tusk did not have an aggressive stance towards Russia that he is in this situation.

Russia's insistence on having total control of the investigation and the Poland PM's appeasement of that insistence has led to this situation. If a similar British tragedy happened in the US and the US treated the Brits the same way, withholding evidence, giving them minimal access to proceedings etc, there would be uproar here too. Obviously there is a far more delicate power dynamic between Poland and Russia. Treading on eggshells apears to be Poland's position.
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>
Troll, explain to me what I said that makes it seem to you that I'm amused?
So who is the troll? I'd say the one lol'ing on this thread.

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#19 Nov 6, 2012
Annie wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should put on your reading glasses dear. Not only did I address this in the post you replied to, but I've also said in my original post that the Polish pm has apologised for mistakes. I've said before that they should have re-examined the bodies. It's still not clear why they didn't. There was a widespread message that Russia ordered the coffins not be re-opened but it's not clear who gave that order.
The question is when will russia apologise for their part in the mix up of DNA? They insisted on doing the tests and handling the bodies and all the evidence, some of which they refuse to return. Should Poland have repeated the entire investigation and if so what message would that have sent to Russia? It's because Tusk did not have an aggressive stance towards Russia that he is in this situation.
Russia's insistence on having total control of the investigation and the Poland PM's appeasement of that insistence has led to this situation. If a similar British tragedy happened in the US and the US treated the Brits the same way, withholding evidence, giving them minimal access to proceedings etc, there would be uproar here too. Obviously there is a far more delicate power dynamic between Poland and Russia. Treading on eggshells apears to be Poland's position.
<quoted text>
So who is the troll? I'd say the one lol'ing on this thread.
I didn't bother reading all your posts so I have no idea what you said or didn't say.
Besides, you used to say one thing and then deny you said it a few posts later, remember? I do :)
Annie wrote:
Treading on eggshells apears to be Poland's position.
Oh yeah, lately, but they were pretty 'assertive' back when Bush was in office. With Obama in office, not so much :D
Annie

Southampton, UK

#20 Nov 7, 2012
yes we know you don't read posts before replying to them.

I see you have nothing to say about the subject of the thread. You think it's ok that Russia mixed up body parts and you only accuse Poland. Moving into your comfort zone of US politics because you don't want to address the issue.

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