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Amnesty International: The full truth about the Katyn massacre must come out

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Martix

Kraków, Poland

#1 Jan 18, 2013
The full truth about the Katyn massacre must come out

Until the full truth is uncovered about the Katyn massacre the Russian authorities have an on-going obligation under international law to investigate this war crime that has gone unpunished since the Second World War, Amnesty International said today.

As the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights is considering the case brought against Russia by some of the relatives of more than 20,000 Polish prisoners of war who were killed during the 1940 Katyn massacre, Amnesty International submitted its legal opinion on the case this week.

“For nearly 50 years, first Soviet and then the Russian authorities denied their responsibility for the murder of tens of thousands of Polish prisoners of war,” said Marek Marczynski, Europe and Central Asia Deputy Programme Director at Amnesty International.

“They dragged their feet with the investigation into the mass murder for nearly 15 years after that until finally in 2004 they decided to close it in secret proceedings, quoting national security interest for doing so.”

“Amnesty International has repeatedly reminded governments that using secrecy and national security interest is not a lawful excuse to discharge their legal obligations under international law.”

In 2007, 15 relatives of those who were killed complained to the European Court of Human Rights about the adequacy of the investigation by the Russian authorities into the 1940 Katyn massacre.

Their relatives were among the 22,000 Polish police and army officers who were taken to Soviet camps and prisons following the Red Army's invasion of the Republic of Poland in September 1939. They were subsequently killed by the Soviet secret police without trial in April and May 1940. Most of them were buried in mass graves in western Russia’s Katyn forest.

Earlier this week Amnesty International presented its written observations on the case of Janowiec and Others v. Russia to the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights.

“It was clear well before 1939 that mass murder of prisoners of war was prohibited under international law. States are under an ongoing obligation to investigate those crimes until the full truth is disclosed and until the families can access suitable, effective remedies,” Marczynski said.

According to international law investigation of war crimes should aim at establishing the facts and identifying all of those who are criminally responsible, at all levels. The results of the investigation should determine whether any prosecution is possible or appropriate.

The drafters of the European Convention on Human Rights worded it in such a way as to allow prosecutions of past crimes, including those committed during the Second World War. The Convention was adopted to prevent repetition of human rights violations on the scale of those committed during that war.

“The obligation to investigate war crimes and other crimes under international law extends to such crimes committed prior to the drafting and entry into force of the European Convention on Human Rights,” said Marczynski.

The actions of the Soviet Union immediately following the Second World War confirm that it recognized both the prohibition of war crimes as well as the obligation to investigate and prosecute them. Soviet officials supported the work of the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg. They even attempted to charge several German suspects with the responsibility for the Katyn massacre.

“The current European Court case shows that the victims and their families will never stop in their fight for justice. They are right in doing so as this is exactly what they are entitled to under international human rights law,” said Marczynski.
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#2 Jan 18, 2013
Background
The Council of Europe states continue to investigate and prosecute alleged perpetrators of crimes committed during World War II. For example, in 2001 Germany prosecuted Julius Viel as well as Anton Malloth, securing convictions of both of them in two separate trials.

In other cases, Anthony Sawoniuk was convicted in the United Kingdom in 1999, and John Demjanjuk was convicted in Germany in 2011.

SOURCE:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-rel...

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#3 Jan 18, 2013
What about investigation of Polish crimes against Soviet POW killed or made to starve to death in Polish death camps in 1921?

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#4 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
What about investigation of Polish crimes against Soviet POW killed or made to starve to death in Polish death camps in 1921?
your hero Stalin once said
"There is no such thing as a Soviet POW, only a traitor".

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#5 Jan 18, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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your hero Stalin once said
"There is no such thing as a Soviet POW, only a traitor".
I wasn`t asking you, I`m asking Martix, if cares to reply.

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In your mind.

#6 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
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I wasn`t asking you, I`m asking Martix, if cares to reply.
So was hero Stalin wrong?

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#7 Jan 18, 2013
TheRealMagyar wrote:
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So was hero Stalin wrong?
Are you Martix?
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#8 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
What about investigation of Polish crimes against Soviet POW killed or made to starve to death in Polish death camps in 1921?
As I can see you like the Soviet propaganda better than historical facts. I remind you for the umpteenth time that there wasn't any Polish crimes agaisnt Soviet POWs. Moreover at the same time similar number of Polish POWs died in Soviet camps!

READ ONCE AGAIN:

Polish-Russian Findings on the Situation of Red Army Soldiers

In response to the re-emerging question of the situation of Russian prisoners of the 1920 war, the Head Office of State Archives together with the Federal Agency for Russian Archives have published a collection of archival materials in Russian, entitled „Krasnoarmiejcy w polskom plenu w 1919–1922 g. Sbornik dokumentow i materia&#322;ow”[“Red Army Soldiers in Polish Captivity in 1919–1922. A Collection of Documents And Materials”](Moscow 2004). It comprises a selection of 338 source documents from Polish and Russian archives referring to the stories of Russian prisoners of war from the moment of their capture, through the imprisonment in Polish POW camps, until their return to the Soviet Russia.

This one-thousand-page publication has been meticulously prepared academically. The authors’ intention was to present to, first of all, Russian historians and public opinion the most important archival documents touching upon the question which, to date, has caused a lot of controversies and has been the subject of various propagandist campaigns. The data contained in the publication concerns the total number of Red Army prisoners during the war of 1919–1920, including the number of those who died, as well as the cause of their death.

The authors – Polish historians, outstanding specialists on the history of the Polish–Bolshevik war, namely Professor Waldemar Rezmer and Professor Zbigniew Karpus of the Miko&#322;aj Kopernik University in Torun, Professor Gennadij Matvejev of the Lomonosov University in Moscow, as well as Polish and Russian archivists who conducted the archival investigation and processed the documents — have guaranteed the credibility and high scientific standard of the publication.

The diligent approach to the problem allowed to establish a common standing of the Polish and Russian historians. They stated that the presented archival materials are credible and reliable, and that they reflect the truth of the difficult situation of Soviet POWs imprisoned in camps on the territory of Poland. According to the estimates of Polish historians, the number of Russian prisoners in Polish camps in 1920 oscillated between 80 and 85 thousand, while the number of deaths during the overall period the camps were active amounted to 16–17 thousand. Professor Matvejev estimates that there were 18–20 thousand fatalities.

Thus, the publication repudiates a widespread opinion of the Russians, who quote a many times higher number of the victims in this group of war fatalities (40, 60 or over 100 thousand). The publication also refutes the hypothesis of alleged mass executions of Soviet POWs in Polish camps, which, according to some Russian historians,“justified”, in Stalin’s eyes, the Katyn atrocity. Source documents prove that the cause of prisoners’ deaths were diseases or epidemics (typhus, cholera, dysentery, flu) which took a heavy toll in this war-damaged country, not only in POW camps, but also among fighting soldiers and civilians.

The publication is available for purchase through the Head Office of State Archives. Individuals or entities interested in the publication may also order by post (00–950 Warszawa, ul. D&#322;uga 6, PO box 1005), by fax (22 831 75 63) or e-mail ( ndap@archiwa.gov.pl ).

SOURCE:
http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/en/exhibitions/398-...
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#9 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
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Are you Martix?
Are you a moderator/censor here?

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#10 Jan 18, 2013
Stop talking rubbish!
Soviet POW died in Polish death camps.
This is the hard fact.
Somebody should take responsibility for that.
I don`t see any problem why relatives of the dead pow can`t sue Poland over this.

Do you think you alone can complain about the past?

Russia should put a question of Polish invasion to soviet Russia in 1918 and to demand from Poland compansation for that.

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In your mind.

#11 Jan 18, 2013
Stalin: there is no such thing as a Soviet POW, only a traitor.
Martix

Kraków, Poland

#12 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
Stop talking rubbish!
Soviet POW died in Polish death camps.
This is the hard fact.
Somebody should take responsibility for that.
I don`t see any problem why relatives of the dead pow can`t sue Poland over this.
Do you think you alone can complain about the past?
Russia should put a question of Polish invasion to soviet Russia in 1918 and to demand from Poland compansation for that.
As i can see a discussion with you is pointles because you dont care about the true.

This is a typical Soviet/Russian Whataboutizm aimed at not talking about the Soviet crimes- > When you ask a Russian about Katyn massacres he/she will answer immediately what about the Soviet POWs from 1920. The problem is that you can't compare these cases. Soviet POWs were not killed but died because of epidemic.

The only common part is that in both cases the Soviets were invaders!

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#13 Jan 18, 2013
Martix wrote:
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As i can see a discussion with you is pointles because you dont care about the true.
This is a typical Soviet/Russian Whataboutizm aimed at not talking about the Soviet crimes- > When you ask a Russian about Katyn massacres he/she will answer immediately what about the Soviet POWs from 1920. The problem is that you can't compare these cases. Soviet POWs were not killed but died because of epidemic.
The only common part is that in both cases the Soviets were invaders!
Polish authorities didn`t do anything to stop the epedemia.

Soviets were invaders? And now you accuse me I don`t care about the truth? lol.
That war was started by Poland!
Poles were invaders at the first place.
Soviet offencive on Poland was a response to Polish agression on Soviet Russia.

THIS IS the truth!!
Pro Ukraine

UK

#14 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 - The truth = oxymoron.
Aber

Raritan, NJ

#15 Jan 18, 2013
Alexey25 wrote:
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Polish authorities didn`t do anything to stop the epedemia.
Soviets were invaders? And now you accuse me I don`t care about the truth? lol.
That war was started by Poland!
Poles were invaders at the first place.
Soviet offencive on Poland was a response to Polish agression on Soviet Russia.
THIS IS the truth!!
No its not.

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#16 Jan 18, 2013
Aber wrote:
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No its not.
Yes it is.

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