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Jesse69

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It’s a CULT. As shown in Wilkepedia it was started in 1914. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_ni_Crist... When I first read
ELIAS IBARRA’s babbling I thought I had doubts about the Roman Catholic Church, but not anymore. He claims that INC was originated by Christ but that is false when that is just the false doctrine of INC. Christ established the Roman Catholic Church with his twelve apostles way back then… NOT INC! And I hate the way ELIAS IBARRA keeps attacking Roman Catholics, and he calls our Saint inutile and that we idol worship them and Mother Mary. No, Saints are powerful and they battle demons and they grant favors to people who pray to them, they help God and do God’s work too, but we Catholics do not idolize them, we just pray to them also to seek God’s favor. And if the founder of INC was an Angel and Saint too, then his body would be incorruptible and not decompose after death. Anyone know the state of his body? Many Roman Catholic Saint’s bodies don’t decompose naturally after death, and this is without any form of preservation or refrigeration. So this is one form of Grace that shows the Roman Catholic Church is the TRUE Religion.
Here is Felix Manalo’s history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Manalo
Notice it says this:
Because there were no precursors to the registered church, external sources and critics of the Iglesia ni Cristo refer to him as the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo and describe him as such but the official INC doctrines claim otherwise.[3]
The official doctrine of the Iglesia ni Cristo is that Felix Y. Manalo is the last messenger of God, sent to reestablish the first church founded by Jesus Christ, which the INC claims to have fallen into apostasy following the death of the Apostles.[4]
Back in the 90’s in Chicago I think I was almost suckered into this cult. Someone handed me a flyer inviting me to a Filipino church and I thought of going to it to meet women. But the preacher kept insisting on the importance of tithing. And I don’t think they gave Holy Communion or Confession, so I dropped out of going to that church. Just like Joel Osteen… He gives a message related to Christ but I went to his big church in Houston and it was all singing and show and no Holy Communion or Confession.
Anyone ever go to an INC Mass? Do they have Communion and Confession? What’s it like going to one? Anyone ever see INC people in person,- what are they like? My cousin said they are very argumentative and don’t like being called a cult, but they are on the same level as a Jehovah’s Witness.
Now frequently on this board I see many arguments between ChaunceyGardiner and ELIAS IBARRA. ChaunceyGardiner gives many intelligent responses and he’s not dumb with 3 Master’s degrees. Yet ELIAS IBARRA keeps insulting him with that WEAK argument that he’s a cretin atheist. He’s agnostic but maybe one day he might believe in Christ. I mostly find ELIAS IBARRA as a POOR representation of INC. He insults people and other religions a lot, and that’s something that a holy religious person just wouldn’t do. I find him as one of the WORST EXAMPLES OF A TWISTED MIND THOROUGHLY ENTRAPED IN A CULT. He won’t admit he was brainwashed, and probably if he did try to quit INC they would make it difficult for him.
So ELIAS IBARRA, what is your origin with INC? How did you join this cult? How long have you been in it? Why do you think it is the true religion? It’s just a money making cult for the Manalo’s! And are you really the product of an African American who had sex with a whore mother, and do you have AIDS and how did you get that, or is that all ChaunceyGardiner’s fabricated insults?
Jesse69

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Also, I don’t have the time to do too much arguing on the web. I gotta jobhunt and apply for jobs because I’m unemployed. And for your info I’m a Roman Catholic who goes to church every Sunday, and I don’t engage is promiscuous sex.

And if INC was a good religion they wouldn’t do something like this: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/philippines/...
nyg

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No doubt, the INC is a cult. Forced tithes, forced attendance every sunday and thursday, forced submission to the church administration or expulsion!

Some INC members are fanatically stupid like Elias Ibarra...but for the INC members I know in real life they are naive and don't know much about other religion, or fed up but afraid to leave the cult because of the repercussions. I dated a member for a few months and broke it off because she was fearful of her family's reaction (when I refused to join the cult)
Jesse69

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Does Elias Ibarra really have AIDS? He probably deserves it from the way he attacks Roman Catholics. His day will come when he dies and faces God, and God will send him to Hell for following a false religion.
Jesse69

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I also found these two pages:

http://thebereans.net/prof-inc.shtml

http://catholicdefender2000.blogspot.com/2012...

If you run into other web pages disproving INC - post it here!
Jesse69

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I like my Dinaguan, one reason I wouldn't join INC!

Here more stuff against INC:

http://www.angelfire.com/hero/iglesia/

The manner in which Felix Manalo died - not a saintly death either, and I guess God was angry at him!

http://catholicdefender2000.blogspot.com/2012...
nyg

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First of all, this one book when interpreted correctly, debunks the Iglesia Ni Cristo
http://www.catholic.org/bible/

INC in a nutshell - good read. Picks apart every false doctrine of the INC, which happens to be all of their doctrines.
http://www.dk777.com/incinanutshell.pdf
Jesse69

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From this website: http://catholicdefender2000.blogspot.com/2010...

When Felix Manalo started preaching, the "Last Messenger" doctrine wasn't introduced yet. It was during the later years when there was an imminent SCHISM within his church that he started proclaiming himself as the Last Messenger (angel). Today its ministers are citing 1 Cor.1:27 to prove that through Felix Manalo's bravery was a sign that he's indeed an angel.

With this claims, Manalo had controlled his church. To every INC member, Felix Manalo is the CULMINATION or CLIMAX of everything. He is the CENTRAL FIGURE (not Christ) of the whole of Scripture. He is the NEW SHEPHERD that even God has to offer himself to "his Last Sugo" so that Manalo may be deified in him" (PASUGO May 1964, p. 1).

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Now, how is Felix Manalo fits on these categories?
Felix was born of a human (Catholic) parents Mariano Ysagun and Bonifacia Manalo
He was never before the throne of God or present all througout our salvation history
He has no mandate from God.
He married to Tomasa Sereneo who died later
He married the second time to Honorata de Guzman
He was suspended by the Seventh Day Adventist for an alleged 'adultery'
He was accused by Rosita Trillanes of raping her
He was found guilty by the court and called him "a man of low morals"
He was a pastor to different Protestant sects
He founded his own church, used the name of Christ
He preached Jesus a MERE man
He proclaimed himself as "God's Last Messenger" or "Huling Sugo"
He robbed of Christ's divinity and took verses in the Bible that are for Christ such as Isaias 43:5 and John 10:16
He preached that "God offered himself to him so that God may deify him" (PASUGO May 1964, p. 1)
He taught a DECEIVING and LYING Christ (as oppose to Mt. 16:18-21) when he preached that the ORIGINAL Church of Christ totally apostatized.
He died in April 12, 1963. His remains are still well kept by the Manalos, therefore he is MORTAL
Felix Manalo falls short under these categories. Therefore his angelic doctrine about himself simply was a fabrication to gain control over his members. Without him being the "Last Messenger" his Iglesia ni Cristo and the Manalos have no reason to keep hold of its flock.
Anonymous

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Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.(2 Cor 5:17)

List of Atheist Old Self to Born Again Renewal.

Steve Beren - former member of the Socialist Workers Party (United States) who became a Christian conservative politician.[61]

Francis Collins - physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (former atheist)[62]

Bo Giertz - Swedish Confessional Lutheran Bishop, theologian, and writer.[63]

Keir Hardie – Raised atheist and became a Christian Socialist.[64][65]

Paul Jones – Musician, of Manfred Mann. Previously atheist and in 1967 he argued with Cliff Richard about religion on a TV show.[66][67]

Kang Kek Iew (also known as Comrade Duch)- Cambodian director of Phnom Penh's infamous Tuol Sleng detention center[68]

William J. Murray - author and son of atheist activist Madalyn Murray O'Hair[69]

Marvin Olasky - former Marxist turned Christian conservative, he edits the Christian World magazine.[70][71]

George R. Price - Geneticist who became an Evangelical Christian and wrote about the New Testament. Later he moderated his evangelistic tendencies and switched from religious writing to working with the homeless.[72][73]

Lacey Sturm - Vocalist and lyricist for Alternative metal band Flyleaf.[74]

Akiane Kramarik (and family)- American poet and child prodigy raised as an atheist and converted to Christianity

You don't need to pick ONE religion out of Millions out there.
You need to PICK JESUS CHRIST

WHO mocked the Name of JESUS :

Marilyn Monroe (Actress)
She was visited by Billy Graham during a presentation of a show.
He said the Spirit of God had sent him to preach to her.
After hearing what the Preacher had to say, she said:
'I don't need your Jesus'.
A week later, she was found dead in her apartment

John Lennon (Singer):
Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
'Christianity will end, it will disappear.
I do not have to argue about
that.. I am certain.
Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him'(1966).
Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.

Tancredo Neves (President of Brazil ):
During the Presidential campaign,he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency.
Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

Cazuza (Bi-sexual Brazilian composer, singer and poet):
During A show in Canecio ( Rio deJaneiro ),
while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said:'God, that's for you.'
He died at the age of 32 of LUNG CANCER in a horrible manner.

The man who built the Titanic
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be.
With an ironic tone he said:
'Not even God can sink it'
The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic

Bon Scott (Singer)
The ex-vocalist of the AC/DC. On one of his 1979 songs he sang:
'Don't stop me; I'm going down all the way, down the highway to hell'.
On the 19th of February 1980, Bon Scott was found dead, he had been choked by his own vomit.

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.(Matthew 7:7)

You don't need to enter to OUR
Specific Church Name
Accept our Specific Church FOUNDER
and Give Monetary Offering to our Church

DON'T BELIEVE IN IGLESIA NI CRISTO SCAM
in order to be saved
you just need to believe that Jesus is God!

Repent and turn-away your sins (your old-self) and Jesus will heal your broken hearts and forgive your sins.
Anonymous

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THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO LOGO EXAMINED AND EXPOSED.

1. The interlaced square and compass denotes Freemasonry
2. The crown at the center denotes the Order of Amaranth, a fraternal organization of master masons
and their properly qualified female relatives
3.The compass, inverted triangle, and legs denotes the Order of the Eastern Star
4.The light rays at the background denotes the sun god.
5.The scales of justice denotes the Scales of Maat, the Egyptian goddess of truth, order, balance, and justice
6.The bible inside the inverted triangle and compass refers to the use of the bible in masonic lodge for swearing oaths
7.The dove and the color white denotes purity and innocence
8.The color red denotes courage, zeal, and blood of life–the color of Royal Arch Masonry
9.The color green denotes spiritual initiation into the high mysteries of life and god
10.The color blue recalls the dome of the heavens which denotes universal brotherhood and friendship
11.The inverted triangle points to the 22nd ray which probably signifies a 22nd degree mason–Knight of the Royal Axe.
nyg

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"iglesia" is a Spanish word, not a Filipino word. "Church" in Filipino is "simbahan."

"Cristo" is the Spanish spelling of Christ. "Kristo" is Filipino.

"ni" used in Spanish means "without" or "none."

therefore, correctly translated, "Iglesia ni Cristo" means "Church Without Christ."
Jay Wallace

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Yes your right and i feel sorry for the people that are a part of this scam, they give their hard earned money,even if only 3% of Filipinos belong to this Church Without Christ
Anonymous

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Iglesia NO Christ -
The Only Ferocious Cult in Church Clothing

INC puts JESUS CHRIST below
and
ADORE Felix Manalo.

Embrace the name of the CULT and hates every Religious Group.
Kim

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nyg wrote:
"iglesia" is a Spanish word, not a Filipino word. "Church" in Filipino is "simbahan."
"Cristo" is the Spanish spelling of Christ. "Kristo" is Filipino.
"ni" used in Spanish means "without" or "none."
therefore, correctly translated, "Iglesia ni Cristo" means "Church Without Christ."
How sure are you that "ni" of INC was a spanish word? "ni" in INC was a tagalog word which means "Iglesia ni Cristo" when translated in English would be "Church of Christ". Please don't just assume and post, research first and find out the truth.
Don The American

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Apr 24, 2013
 
Have you guys heard of a rapidly growing cult in Mindanao called Saksi Ni Hudas? It's widely gaining popularity among upper class society.
israelNOTpinas

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May 28, 2013
 
Don The American wrote:
Have you guys heard of a rapidly growing cult in Mindanao called Saksi Ni Hudas? It's widely gaining popularity among upper class society.
yes,

but the Iglesia ni Felix Ulcer aka Hudas Ulcer
is more popular among low IQ society
John

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Jun 18, 2013
 
[The INC is a cult. It is family run. There is a Manalo line of succession. They are like Koreans Kim Jong-un and his father and grandfather. Only interested in money I have been told.
INC Hoax

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Jun 18, 2013
 
Badingerzy Eliang Ibbarang,

It is just a proof that the CHURCH is not made of stone, steel and POWERS,., it is a simple Church from the foundation of Christ in 33AD up to now,.,. the CHURCH that is composed of true flock,., composed of TRUE FAITHFUL,., it is the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST founded by CHRIST, THROUGH CHRIST, FOR CHRIST, IN CHRIST and WITH CHRIST!

"Today one of the most prominent personalities in the country is undoubtedly Felix Y. Manalo ...

Church is not a matter of popularization,., it is not GOT TALENT contest as what you want to spread here,., IT IS SIMPLY LOVING GOD and NEIGHBOR,., IT IS simply protecting flock from HERESIES LIKE YOUR INM,., false prophet like FELIX YSAGUN MANALO --- the proven 666 in the revelation.,.

Your lies is like a poisonous thing that should be stop anywhere.

Hoy Bading, bakit di ka nalang magpalaganap ng lahi mo,., para dumami ang magbibigay ng abuloy sa SOGO eset sugo mong galing sa diliman,.,

HINDI MO MAHIHIKAYAT ANG MGA TAONG SUMANIB SA IGLESIANG LABAS NA ANG KABAHUAN, 1920 palang,.,.,. lahat ng doktrina niyo puto maya sa ibang relihiyong galit na galit sa Santa Iglesia catolica Romana,.,

Palibhasa kayo ay mga anak ng kasinungalingan at kasamaan,., sa paghuhukom magsasama kayo ng nuno mo,., at SOGO est sugo mo sa diliman,., KAWAWA ka naman,., naubos na pera mo,., masusunog pa sa apoy ang kaluluwa mo,.,
israelNOTpinas

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Jun 21, 2013
 
John wrote:
[The INC is a cult. It is family run. There is a Manalo line of succession. They are like Koreans Kim Jong-un and his father and grandfather. Only interested in money I have been told.
Well said John...

Please do study How North Korean Leader Brainwashed their People in North korea twice a week.

The same Process of Brainwashing technique of Iglesia ni Manalo.

Being Well-Disciplined doesn't prove you are true and correct.

If there is no freedom...
there is slavery,
there is Oppression,
There is Iglesia ni Manalo

Google it... thank you
Vatican

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Islam and Christianity are fictitious religions.

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