Philippines urges clan to leave Malaysia village

Feb 25, 2013 Full story: SanLuisObispo.com 202

Filipino Sultan of Sulu Jamalul Kiram III gestures as he answers questions from reporters at his house at Maharlika village in suburban Taguig, south of Manila, Philippines on Monday Feb.

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jebat

United States

#126 Feb 27, 2013
Troll Republic wrote:
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We don't want to conquer Philippines. Not worth the efforts. But adopting turkish army strategy's in iraq is a good starting point for Malaysia to ensure the safety passages of international trade passing through the Sulu Sea. In fact, those pirates are filipinos, not Malaysians. And it has been proven over time that the Philipines Navy are just as impotent as a newborn turtle in dealing with your own terrorists, pirates and militia.
So I think the international trade community, especially the US would be very thankful to Malaysia's armed forces, if we are to occupy some part of the Philippines south in dealing with your own pirates.
like your way of thinking bro..clearly the moros would prefer us compared to the northern colonisers..hi3

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#127 Feb 27, 2013
Crush Em 2013 wrote:
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No more Milo and Maggi products for them....will they survived without that?...hehehe, well said bro...
:-)
The only government in the SEA who gives in easily to MULTIPLE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS is the Pinoy. The only one who openly funded terrorist organizations like the MILF is the pinoy. It was actually the Pinoy who created, funded and 'encouraged' insurgencies and piracy problems in the Sulu Sea.

So it's about time for Malaysia to change to more offensive doctrine in the Sulu Sea. Those pirates will never stop as long as we are playing soft and defensive with them. Time to take charge of the situation and show them who's the real boss of the South sea.




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#128 Feb 27, 2013
jebat wrote:
<quoted text>like your way of thinking bro..clearly the moros would prefer us compared to the northern colonisers..hi3
They should learn the history how the term "AMOK" made its way to the English vocabulary.

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#129 Feb 27, 2013
Troll Republic wrote:
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They should learn the history how the term "AMOK" made its way to the English vocabulary.
Agree....
pati

Malaysia

#130 Feb 27, 2013
the so-called indon growth

Poverty, Income Gap Persist Amid Indonesia's Economic Boom
Zakir Hussain - Straits Times | February 27, 2013

Congested streets and growing consumer demand suggest that Indonesia's robust economic growth continues to benefit many.

But officials and observers are concerned that, rosy indicators aside, the country is losing ground in tackling the problems of poverty and a widening income gap.

"Inequality continues to be more acutely felt. This is politically corrosive and socially divisive, and needs to be a top priority for all local leaders," H.S. Dillon, the presidential special envoy for poverty alleviation, said in an interview.

If the gap between the rich and poor grows even wider, he fears "this will engender social unrest."

Poverty and widening inequality have surfaced as issues at local elections amid labour unions' clamor for higher minimum wages.

Government statistics show that the decrease in the official poverty rate is slowing — from 12.3 percent of all Indonesians in September 2011 to 11.7 percent a year later.

The government missed its initial target of bringing this figure to between 10 percent and 11.5 percent last year, and has to catch up, National Development Planning (Bappenas) Minister Armida Alisjahbana said last week.

This means 28.6 million people still live on less than 260,000 rupiah (27 DOLLAR) a month. Many more are vulnerable to slipping into poverty.

There are also concerns that efforts to improve the lot of the poor — a mainstay of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's reform agenda — seem increasingly elusive.

Media Indonesia daily said in a recent editorial that poverty fell only 0.6 percentage point a year from 2002 to last year. But Vivi Alatas, senior economist at the World Bank, said it is tougher getting the chronically poor out of poverty.

"When poverty was 20 or 30 percent of the population, there were many people living just under the poverty line, so moderate increases in income brought a large number out of poverty," she said.

In a speech to district leaders last week, Yudhoyono said job creation was the most effective way to reduce poverty, but admitted this was difficult for the extremely poor, especially those without skills.

"If we just say they have to get back on their feet, we won't see results," he said.

Hence, the state was committed to helping them through free schooling and health care, subsidized rice and handouts, he added.

But observers note that a significant number of the poor fail to get the help they need.

As for jobs, Vivi said, "The pace of job creation has not kept up with the growing workforce looking for better jobs in the formal and non-agricultural sectors."

More than half of the workforce are informally employed — one in three is in agriculture, and one in four is in services and industries.

She said labor laws must be less rigid and workers need to be better protected should they fall ill or out of work.

Dillon said bosses who gain from the economy should give workers a fairer deal.

"The tools are there. We can achieve all-encompassing equity and sustainability if we would just stop our profit-seeking mentality and combat our insecurities," he said.

"What we really need is the political will and commitment to really put our money where our mouths are."

Reprinted courtesy of The Straits Times

27 DOLLAR IS MY SPENDING IN A DAY!! MY GOD INDON IS HOPELESS!!

YOU CANNOT LIVE IN MALAYSIA A MONTH WITH 27 DOLLAR AS POVERY LINE, YOU'LL JUST STARVE YOURSELF TO DEATH!! LOL they're saying POVERTY ERADICATED, when we take a look at the poverty line, it is 27 DOLLARS A MONTH LOL. No wonder many indons work here, we pay toilet cleaners more than that.
pati

Malaysia

#131 Feb 27, 2013
indon civilization

'The Act of Killing' Reopens Old, Long-Buried Wounds in Indonesia
Andjarsari Paramaditha | February 27, 2013

Bejo Untung was a 17-year-old Indonesian schoolboy when armed soldiers came to his village in 1965, forcing him on the run for years until he was caught, tortured and jailed.

A communist-led coup attempt had just failed, triggering a wave of arrests and killings that ushered in more than three decades of rigid anticommunist education and propaganda. The subject is still so sensitive it is rarely broached in public.

Death squads

These death squads were operating systematically across Indonesia mostly in the late 1960s. Estimates put as many as one million people dead in a wave of violence after the aborted coup and purge of communists and alleged sympathizers.

The main character in the film, Anwar Congo, was the one of the most feared death squad leaders in the area around the city of Medan in Sumatra.

"I choke them to death, with steel wire around the neck," Congo says in the film, demonstrating in front of the camera how it was done. "And then pull it, sometimes with a pole. It's easier that way and less blood to clean."

Premiered at the Toronto Film Festival in October 2012, "The Act of Killing" took the Panorama Audience Award and the Ecumenical Jury Prize at the recent 2013 Berlin International Film Festival but there have been no official screenings in the country where it took place.

It has been shown in about 265 underground screenings, with secret invitations sent to small groups, but there is the fear that police might try to block the screenings. Still, some 10,000 have been to see it.

The National Police spokesman did not respond to questions asking whether the officers would have tried to stop showings of the film. Young Indonesians had long been taught that communism was sadistic and evil and given no alternative view to that era.

Until 1998 and the end of the iron rule of Suharto, the leader who took power shortly after the coup, viewing of a violent movie about how six generals and an officer were killed in the coup attempt was compulsory for schoolchildren.

Even last year an attempt by Indonesia's human rights commission to look into the events surrounding the slaughter were effectively blocked by the government.

“Baby rat was my favorite”

Bejo Untung said the movie reflected accurately what happened to him and many others.

Caught and imprisoned in 1970, Untung survived a year of torture - beating and electrocution - in prison and then a camp of several hundred men located in Central Jakarta. Three killed themselves while he was there, while others disappeared and were feared to have been killed. He spent eight years in jail without trial, including a stint of brutal forced farm labor.

"Ten of us were forced to stay in a room which can only fit two," he said of his time in one prison. "We slept like layered cake, my head facing another inmate's toes so we could breathe while we slept."

Most of the protein in his diet came from "anything that moved" in the fields, including frogs, rats, snakes and snails.

"My favorite was the baby rat, it's easy to swallow it alive," said Untung.

It wasn't until 1979 that political prisoners were released, in order to open the way for Indonesia to receive financial grants from the United States and European nations.

Untung was a private music tutor until retiring and now heads YPKP 65, an organization for victims of the brutality. For nearly six years, he marched in front of the State Palace, the seat of Indonesian government, every Thursday together with other human rights victims, demanding resolution.

Now he and others want Indonesian history to be revised to reflect the truth of that period.

THE END

don indooon don't tell us to clean up when you yourself chose to not acknowledge your own dirt
pati

Malaysia

#132 Feb 27, 2013
PAPUA WANTS INDEPENDENCE!!

No Justice? Indonesia Struggles to Address History of Human Rights Abuse

December 02, 2012

Victims of alleged human rights violations in Indonesia, a country where human rights courts set up in 2000 have yet to convict a single case, are facing an uphill battle to bring perpetrators to justice.

Data from local NGO Commission for Missing Persons and Victims of Violence (Kontras) estimates more than one million people suffered rights abuses between 1965 and 1998 that took place largely under President Suharto’s military rule, which ended in 1998 with his forced resignation.

“We have an unusual situation in this country. You have all these human rights violations but as things stand, no-one has been found guilty in a human rights court,” said Haris Azhar, co-ordinator of Kontras.

In 2000 the Indonesian parliament created human rights courts to hear and rule on cases concerning gross violations of human rights. Over 12 years, 12 cases have come before the country’s four human rights courts, with no resulting convictions.

STATE BRUTALITY IN PAPUA

In recent years activists have reported human rights abuses in the country’s remote Papuan region, where a separatist conflict has simmered for decades.

The resource-rich region (3,000 kilometers east of Jakarta and including the provinces of Papua and West Papua) has the LOWEST level of human development of Indonesia’s 33 provinces.

Penihas Lokbere from Jayapura, the capital of Papua Province, said he is one of 105 people arrested by the police in 2000 in the university town of Abepura, about 10 kilometers from Jayapura.

According to Human Rights Watch, a group of unidentified people attacked a police post in Abepura, killing two policemen and a security guard.

“The police wanted to retaliate,” said Lokbere.“They came to our dormitory while we were sleeping and arrested us. They didn’t ask any questions.”

Along with his fellow students, Lokbere was imprisoned for three days, where he said he was tortured, handcuffed and beaten with a metal crook. Until now, no one has been convicted.

A 2012 joint report of the International Centre for Transitional Justice (ITCJ) and the Jayapura-based Institute of Human Rights Studies and Advocacy (Elsham), recorded nearly 750 rights violations against Papuans from 1960-2012, including arbitrary arrest and detention, torture and killings.

Paul Mambrasar, a representative of Elsham said the actual number of violations may be much higher.
“Many of the victims are not ready to speak about what happened,” he said.“The provinces of Papua are militarized and people are worried if they give information, they will be terrorized by the military or the police.”

The Papua region has had decades-long separatist tension related to the stalled implementation of a special autonomy arrangement that was granted in 2001; communities’ lack access to natural resource wealth such as gold, copper and timber; and there have been security crackdowns on political demonstrations.

Josef Roy Benedict, Amnesty International’s Indonesia campaigner based in London, said ongoing human rights violations in the region are in part due to a culture of impunity there.

“Police officers tend to be punished only for disciplinary offences, often in closed-door proceedings, while offences by the military are dealt with through the military court system, which lacks independence and impartiality,” said Benedict.

THE END

They're accusing us of ABUSING SABAHANS WHEN THEY DID WORSE THINGS TO THE PAPUANS LOL!

YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PAPUANS AT ALL! SO DONT YOU SAY YOU CARE ABOUT SABAH! YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU!!

Guys please keep this article circulating so we don't have these rabid dogs coming here spewing their bullshit again. It's beginning to sound like a broken record here.
Diego Maradona

Las Piñas, Philippines

#133 Feb 27, 2013
Troll Republic wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't want to conquer Philippines. Not worth the efforts. But adopting turkish army strategy's in iraq is a good starting point for Malaysia to ensure the safety passages of international trade passing through the Sulu Sea. In fact, those pirates are filipinos, not Malaysians. And it has been proven over time that the Philipines Navy are just as impotent as a newborn turtle in dealing with your own terrorists, pirates and militia.
So I think the international trade community, especially the US would be very thankful to Malaysia's armed forces, if we are to occupy some part of the Philippines south in dealing with your own pirates.
And with that you have the guts to boast about non-existent experience in warfare and invading Philippines when we all know you "won" your independence not by fighting and standing up to your colonizers in the first place... IT WAS HANDED TO YOU so WTF kind of war experience is that???

I say STFU and GTFO of the RENTED LAND OF THE PHILIPPINES!!!!!!!!!
Kasim Pantalun

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#134 Feb 27, 2013
watched prime time news on tv3 last night. the crisis not even made a mention much less a headline (did i missed it?)

too bad for the fake sultan. that's how 'important' he is.
Kasim Pantalun

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#135 Feb 27, 2013
we did interfere in sout phillipines. we supplied arm and trained the moro as a war strategy against the threat of filipino army's invasion of sabah.

we know back then that this strategy will bite us back some day. but we also know now that we can manage this.
Kasim Pantalun

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#136 Feb 27, 2013
That the Malaysian government had ties with these extremist organisations is well known. It helped nurture these organisations which, unfortunately, have now become a liability. When the British Far East Land Forces withdrew, the Filipino regime at that time was quite vocal in its demand for the state of Sabah. Malaysia was then facing a communist insurgency led by the Communist Party of Malaya (CPM). At that time huge resource were being expended on military hardware and personnel by components of the Malaysian Armed Forces. For instance, the Rajang Area Security Command (Rascom) in Sarawak, Gua Musang in Kelantan and Bentong in Pahang were a hotbed of communist activity. The Royal Malaysian Navy had to deal with the spillover from the Vietnam war, refugees, pirates, etc. The Malaysian Armed Forces did not want to or have to engage an enemy on two fronts, the military wing of the CPM and the Philippines Armed Forces. For self-preservation and in order to protect a very fragile economy & a porous border, the Malaysian government employed the concept of strategic depth it encouraged the Moro separatists in the southern Philippines, so as to distract attention from claims over Sabah and to get the Philippines Armed Forces bogged down in its back yard. Hence with financing by Colonel Muammar Qaddafi’s Libya, the campaign in the southern Philippines was stepped up in the spirit of Muslim brotherhood. Covert operations were conducted and gun running was rife. Malaysian special forces were alleged to have clandestinely conducted training for the Moro separatists in established camps in Sabah. The front man for this exercise was none other then the ‘infamous’ Tun Datu Mustapha, then Sabah’s Chief Minister, who was a Muslim and had extended family in the southern Philippines.
abu

Kladno, Czech Republic

#137 Feb 28, 2013
Hebatnya Philippines sambil kapal2nya merapat semua ke wilayah Malaysia, Malaysia jangan salahkan kapal2 Philippines menembak tentara Sultan Sulu yang berada didaerah Malaysia karena membela Malaysia kah kah kah
malon anjing inggris

Jakarta, Indonesia

#138 Mar 1, 2013
Crush Em 2013 wrote:
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hehehe....have u ever been to Sabah? did u ever ride on a 4x4 trip around Kalimantan?? look for ur'self how terrible Kalimantan is compared to Sabah and Sarawak just like your local film "Tanah Surga...Katanya"....
Look at Sabah(my home state), the number of illegal immigrants seeking a dime for themself is in such a critical volume! where on earth a poor state like Sabah can attract and generate jobs for a number of outsiders(immigrants be it legal or illegally)? is that economically logical for ya?? compare it with the Southern Philippines or Kalimantan, do u see any Sabahan's or Sarawakian's coming in a huge number there and begging for jobs like what Sabah did to your fellow people and Filipino's?? no??did u ever heard on the news Sabahans and Sarawakian's begging to be treated at your hospitals in Kalimantan or begging to be educated at your school in Kalimantan(u can also compared the same thing with the Southern Philippines)??? nope,it's the other way round to be exact..right?
Akhir kata....kalau ndak tau apa2, bagus kau diam bah!bagus kalau ko pernah datang sini, mangkali kau hantam2 saja ni cakap!ko sudah kanal ka ni pilak punya gaya?ko pigi sana menggatal lah baru ko tau gaya diaorang ni, itu pilipin bisaya jadi ayam saja tu sini bikin samak sama kasi rusak rumahtangga urang.....buduh butul! macam mau kana tempiling ja ni urang...hehehe!
:-)
hahaha it's u dream story. please, if making fantasy story don't be half hearted. You should be more imaginary than you writing it.
hahahaha

if u've brave please i will waiting u in jungle @ mountain Pangrango for fighting until die. not you challenge me in a fight (This suit your writing "buduh butul! macam mau kana tempiling ja ni urang")?
so when u want approached death in battle in the mountain forest Pangrango? don't much talk in topix like hero, but u proved it in the real world.
so u don't challenge people, if u're not ready to die, ok

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#139 Mar 1, 2013
malon anjing inggris wrote:
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hahaha it's u dream story. please, if making fantasy story don't be half hearted. You should be more imaginary than you writing it.
hahahaha
if u've brave please i will waiting u in jungle @ mountain Pangrango for fighting until die. not you challenge me in a fight (This suit your writing "buduh butul! macam mau kana tempiling ja ni urang")?
so when u want approached death in battle in the mountain forest Pangrango? don't much talk in topix like hero, but u proved it in the real world.
so u don't challenge people, if u're not ready to die, ok
Everyone will die anyway, the only question is just how and when...
hehehe,fact!...

If Kalimantan and Southern Philippines is as good as Sabah or Sarawak, for sure Sabahan's and Sarawakian's will go there in volume seeking for a living over there like your people did for a long time....hehehe! so who's dreaming here?? it's a fact lah...

:-)
Kasim Pantalun

Shah Alam, Malaysia

#141 Mar 1, 2013
now it has ended. lets consider what happen next.

Since: Jan 13

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#142 Mar 1, 2013
Kasim Pantalun wrote:
now it has ended. lets consider what happen next.
Southern Philippines will explode again....factions fight is expected because of these incidents! Pro Kiram's vs Anti-Kiram's....
malon anjing inggris

Jakarta, Indonesia

#143 Mar 1, 2013
Crush Em 2013 wrote:
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Everyone will die anyway, the only question is just how and when...
hehehe,fact!...
If Kalimantan and Southern Philippines is as good as Sabah or Sarawak, for sure Sabahan's and Sarawakian's will go there in volume seeking for a living over there like your people did for a long time....hehehe! so who's dreaming here?? it's a fact lah...
:-)
ah u coward like malingsia army submit to england and wants to be the dog guard english palace. no action talk only.
hahahaha

Since: Jan 13

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#144 Mar 1, 2013
malon anjing inggris wrote:
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ah u coward like malingsia army submit to england and wants to be the dog guard english palace. no action talk only.
hahahaha
hehehe...Canada,Australia etc as well have experience guarding the palace, do u dare to ask or labelled them as english dog? hehehe....

no action talk only? how's your fellow indonesian's in the border with Malaysia? why they flocking our hospitals and begging to find jobs be it legally and illegally in Malaysia anyway??where's your action about these matter?merely talk and promises perhaps???.....

Look who's talking y'all....

:-)
amc

Quezon City, Philippines

#145 Mar 1, 2013
"Idjirani suggested last week that the men would stand down if the compensation were substantially raised."

as is always the case with these greedy flips its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY $$$$$$$$$$

this clown has a home in manila too??? confiscate it and burn it to the ground. so ignorant are his followers that they bought into his bullshit doctrines of returning to their homeland? hahahahahaha.

hes just a leader of a pack of dogs and they are all extortionists.
EXTORTION. MORE FUN IN THE FILIPINS.

just raise the rent payments and we will be happy. hahahahahahaha

for the blood these animals spilled they should all be hung in public. they ran down to the beach? push them into the sea and see if they can swim back home.
support King Of Sulu

United States

#146 Mar 1, 2013
Faisal wrote:
Hey, interesting fact
Do you know that Sabah's HDI is only 0.01 lower than the highest HDI province in filipines?
What's the lesson here?
We treated Sabah better than you treat most (99.9%) of your province you fool!
So don't preach us how to run our country if you can't even run yours! Stupid pilak
yeah ..sabahan is the most stupid tribes in south east asia

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