Iglesia ni Cristo is a scam

[Filmalay]

Yep. INC is a scam, big time.

[Equalizer]

Givemeliberty wrote:

It is a fact anyone who does not convert to INC goes to hell according to your doctrine. Rizal never joined so he is doomed to hell. Even Elias said that all those people for centuries before Manalo are doomed to hell and used to reasoning from the Noah's ark story as proof that God would do just that. Remember only through Manalo can anyone have a hope of being saved right?
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... wrong, better attend bible studies to correct your twisted ideas ...

[Givemeliberty]

So Elias and that INC minister on YouTube were wrong and or lying? Hmmmmm.

Equalizer wrote:

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... wrong, better attend bible studies to correct your twisted ideas ...

[Givemeliberty]

Because in the cult of Manalo they need you to believe only through their savior Manalo can you be saved. They even have passages in the bible they use to to defend that only through Manalo can you be saved, yes they are laughingly bad and require you to believe Manalo is the savior lmfao but they are there.

Now Jose Rizal died before ever speaking to Manalo so he could not have been saved an is burning in hell according to INC.

[dog spelled backwards]

Givemeliberty,

the INC-Company can only exist if there are stupid people to join this humbug.
Pls. do not misinterpret my following words, because I am not taking up the cudgels on behalf of that unscrupulous company called INC, but it is like that with ALL sects. And there is no exception!
They all are trying to recruit members constantly, just like a soccer team. And they keep on telling people of all the advantages and rewards of their sect compared to others.....
But religion never comes through the brain. Religion can only come from the heart. I am not so very sure if someone can speed it up or influence the beginning. My tendency is rather to negate this.
And that is why people who keep on trying to collect new members either don´t know what they are talking about or do it with ulterior motives.
Just stay away from them - or let them amuse you.

[Givemeliberty]

Personally they amuse me but the damage they do to the Philippines is not amusing.

dog spelled backwards wrote:

Givemeliberty,
the INC-Company can only exist if there are stupid people to join this humbug.
Pls. do not misinterpret my following words, because I am not taking up the cudgels on behalf of that unscrupulous company called INC, but it is like that with ALL sects. And there is no exception!
They all are trying to recruit members constantly, just like a soccer team. And they keep on telling people of all the advantages and rewards of their sect compared to others.....
But religion never comes through the brain. Religion can only come from the heart. I am not so very sure if someone can speed it up or influence the beginning. My tendency is rather to negate this.
And that is why people who keep on trying to collect new members either don´t know what they are talking about or do it with ulterior motives.
Just stay away from them - or let them amuse you.

[dog spelled backwards]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Personally they amuse me but the damage they do to the Philippines is not amusing.
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Givemeliberty, dito.
Those "soul-collectors" are nothing but poor, poor sods. THe war within themselves they turn inside-out.
Everybody who was not allowed to grow the way he/she wanted to grow, does not want anybody else to grow the way he/she wants to.
And so victims become deliquents.
But all this does not excuse them. These words might only be a help to those unscrupulous and needless people like the Holy Majesty Prophet Elias. I don´t know where -and 100 percent he won´t tell and even deny- but what is all behind this betrayal is, that the "keeper of the only truth", Mr. Nobody Elias, this living inferiority complex, this drowning frustration, name it, just has his economic benefits from what he is doing. Simple as that. In fact he does not even know what he is talking about. It is all coming from his brain - and not even his brain, for what he comments is just learned by heart.
A real poor sod.
Walang hiya.
People who do not have a face cannot loose their face.
What he is advertising got nothing to do with religion. Nothing at all. In fact he doesn´t even know what religion means.
And people like him are the desaster for your country: it are mostly your own countrymen who keep their fellow citizen down.
Desperate people who remind me to drug junkies who are trying hard to get anybody else hooked. Or they are like a drowning - grabbing anything which is nearby.
They are no shepherds who roundup a cattle - they are fishermen with hooks and baits. And the sad thing is that as long as there will be so many illiterate people in your country they will always catch.
But I agree to your words: personally they amuse me, but the damage they do....

[dog spelled backwards]

Prophet Elias,

how much you get per hour for spreading your hatred?
Since members of the INC_Company are not allowed to join any labor union - are you sure that you get your minimum wage?
I could imagine that hatred is so very arduous. There are definetely better ways to live a life. Better for oneself and better for the society.

There is a thought of a philiosopher entering my mind. He said: "Better songs would they have to sing, for me to believe in their Saviour: more like saved ones would his disciples have to appear unto me."

It´s an indicator.

[Givemeliberty]

Well I own some rentals in th Philippines but it's not my country :)

INC is destructive because they block vote for the highest bidder be it for money or favors. They won't let members join a union and frown on members getting a proper education.

Sad really how they hold people back. To be forced to submit and sheepishly follow those conmen is a fate worse than death.

dog spelled backwards wrote:

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Givemeliberty, dito.
Those "soul-collectors" are nothing but poor, poor sods. THe war within themselves they turn inside-out.
Everybody who was not allowed to grow the way he/she wanted to grow, does not want anybody else to grow the way he/she wants to.
And so victims become deliquents.
But all this does not excuse them. These words might only be a help to those unscrupulous and needless people like the Holy Majesty Prophet Elias. I don´t know where -and 100 percent he won´t tell and even deny- but what is all behind this betrayal is, that the "keeper of the only truth", Mr. Nobody Elias, this living inferiority complex, this drowning frustration, name it, just has his economic benefits from what he is doing. Simple as that. In fact he does not even know what he is talking about. It is all coming from his brain - and not even his brain, for what he comments is just learned by heart.
A real poor sod.
Walang hiya.
People who do not have a face cannot loose their face.
What he is advertising got nothing to do with religion. Nothing at all. In fact he doesn´t even know what religion means.
And people like him are the desaster for your country: it are mostly your own countrymen who keep their fellow citizen down.
Desperate people who remind me to drug junkies who are trying hard to get anybody else hooked. Or they are like a drowning - grabbing anything which is nearby.
They are no shepherds who roundup a cattle - they are fishermen with hooks and baits. And the sad thing is that as long as there will be so many illiterate people in your country they will always catch.
But I agree to your words: personally they amuse me, but the damage they do....

[dog spelled backwards]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Well I own some rentals in th Philippines but it's not my country :)
INC is destructive because they block vote for the highest bidder be it for money or favors. They won't let members join a union and frown on members getting a proper education.
Sad really how they hold people back. To be forced to submit and sheepishly follow those conmen is a fate worse than death.
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I do know all these things about this deceitful INC Ltd.
And there is even more.
In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king. Your fellow citizen should wake up and start to dare to look. It is so very easy to establish any kind of sect in the Philippines. Just look around: chapels, churches and other buildings of all kinds of "religions" (and each of them "d´only true one). And sometimes the only difference between them is that one claims that James pointed at the tree while standing on both feet and the others claim that he did so while standing on just one foot.
Ignorance is the perfect breeding ground for scam like Prophet Elias is trying to spread.

[ELIAS IBARRA]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Well I own some rentals in th Philippines but it's not my country :)
INC is destructive because they block vote for the highest bidder be it for money or favors. They won't let members join a union and frown on members getting a proper education.
Sad really how they hold people back. To be forced to submit and sheepishly follow those conmen is a fate worse than death.
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Cretin Atheist Lucy,

Compared to the Catholics, Protestants, and atheists in the Philippines, the Iglesia ni Cristo has the highest literacy percentage!!! In a democracy, all desires to block vote but in vain!!! Only the Iglesia ni Cristo has achieved this feat and which other organizations imitate but they failed!!! Thus they became jealous and envious!!!

It is funny how the Iglesia ni Cristo is being accused of taking money from politicians but this is just pure fabrications!!! Our God who desires unity for His chosen is enough to make us construct grandiose and beautiful chapels!!! We do not need the money of politicians nor that of the government!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[Zontormasterof1]

INC does claim you must be a member of thier church to be saved. like allmost all religions they claim:

exclusivity of salvation for members only.

god only hears the prayers of members.

and other nonsense.

Firstly, there is most likely no god to hear anyones prayers. secondly if this god exsist he must be a bungling fool that can't get his "message" out and keeps having to send "last messengers" to straighten things out.

[Givemeliberty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[dog spelled backwards]

Zontormasterof1 wrote:

INC does claim you must be a member of thier church to be saved. like allmost all religions they claim:
exclusivity of salvation for members only.
god only hears the prayers of members.
and other nonsense.
Firstly, there is most likely no god to hear anyones prayers. secondly if this god exsist he must be a bungling fool that can't get his "message" out and keeps having to send "last messengers" to straighten things out.

last messenger
very last messenger
very very last messenger
very very very last messenger
very very very very last messenger
......
..........
....and they messaged happily ever after.

[Manalo_]

ELIAS IBARRA wrote:

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Cretin Atheist Lucy,
Compared to the Catholics, Protestants, and atheists in the Philippines, the Iglesia ni Cristo has the highest literacy percentage!!! In a democracy, all desires to block vote but in vain!!! Only the Iglesia ni Cristo has achieved this feat and which other organizations imitate but they failed!!! Thus they became jealous and envious!!!
It is funny how the Iglesia ni Cristo is being accused of taking money from politicians but this is just pure fabrications!!! Our God who desires unity for His chosen is enough to make us construct grandiose and beautiful chapels!!! We do not need the money of politicians nor that of the government!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Lies lies lies. Of course the scammer never admits the truth. The church of Christ is scam and forever a scam.

Our god? Me a god? What a joke.I'm tired of this Elias Ibarra
spreading lies to the Filipino people. I will die soon and I would like the Filipino people to know that a person could control the minds of people looking for help but with a price. The members have to pay 10 percent of their salary and I'll juggle the words in the bible for them.

[Manalo_]

Zontormasterof1 wrote:

INC does claim you must be a member of thier church to be saved. like allmost all religions they claim:
exclusivity of salvation for members only.
god only hears the prayers of members.
and other nonsense.
Firstly, there is most likely no god to hear anyones prayers. secondly if this god exsist he must be a bungling fool that can't get his "message" out and keeps having to send "last messengers" to straighten things out.

Yes. Absolutely Mr.Ibarra lost his mind and now became
lunatic that only members of their sect, Church of Christ, will be the only ones who will be saved.

This is the biggest of the biggest scam all over the world.

[Sariling_pananaw]

para po sa mga inusenteng taong katulad ko. kung kyo po ay nagbabasa at iniintindi maigi ang nilalaman ng bibliya. wala nman pong malinaw o matibay na nakalagay sa bibliya kung ano at sino ang tama at totoong religion. iisa lang po ang ang malinaw na niintidihan ko na tayo pong lahat ay kristiyano. ang iglesia ay church ang churhc ay ang tinatawag na grupo o nagsamasamang nananampalataya sa ating panginoon hindi po religion. try nyo po sa google pra maunawaan nyo pong maigi... at hwag po sana nating hayaan na ibang tao ang magpaintindi o magbasa ng nilalaman ng bibliya. ang bibliya po ay ginawa para sa lahat. at sana po lahat tayo ay basahin at unawain sa mga sarili ntin.

[Sariling_pananaw]

itanong po sana ntin sa ating mga sarili. ito po ba ang kagustuhan ng ating panginoon? ang sirain o pintasan ang bawat grupo na naniniwala at nanampalataya sa kanya. iglesia katoliko muslim at marami pa.. ito ba ang kagustuhan nya. ITANONG MO NGAYON SA IYONG SARILI.. AT MAGISIP KA....

[Sariling_pananaw]

at para po sa mga taong makasalanan na katulad ko.. walang ano mang religion ang makapagliligtas sa mga kasalanang nagawa natin dito sa ibabaw ng lupa kundi mga sarili din po natin ang makapag aahon o makakapag hugas sa mga kasalanan na iyon... kung sa sampong taon na naging makasalanan tyo. meron pang higit na sampong taon pra mkapagbago tyo simula ngayon. the kingdom of god is inside you and always be with you..

[Sariling_pananaw]

sa lahat po ng nag papalawak ng kanilang religion hwag po sana nating gamitin ang salita ng diyos para linlangin ang mga kapwa tao natin.