Pope Benedict XV nullifies and pulverizesChristmas celebration

[2bornot]

Pope Benedict XV nullifies and pulverizes Christmas and/or Christmas celebration
This link takes you to Pope Benedict XV's firm stance on Christmas:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/va...
According to Pope Benedict XVI, Christmas has been a hoax for centuries as it had never been a part of the Catholic Church in any way, shape or form.
What it all boils down to is this: All those who profess the Catholic faith must refrain celebrating Christmas. It also means Christmas songs, toys, and gifts should be abolished within the Catholic community anywhere. Why? Because to the Catholic adherents, the Pope's words are gospel and must not be disobeyed without consequences.
Countries such as Mexico, the Philippines, Spain, and Poland with a very high concentration of catholics, do have a solemn obligation to follow to the letter Pope Benedict XVI's position on Christmas.
Let's see how many Filipino families will continue engaging in selling Christmas merchandise, singing Christmas songs, decorating their homes with Christmas lights, celebrating Christmas as a Saint day.
Obviously, this news has come to those several millions catholics across the globe as a shocker, to say the least. But this is not so news for many other people who knew quite well that Jesus was not born on December 25!
If you are a catholic, we'd like to read your opinions on this issue.

[amc]

oh boy another religious debate.

but, what makes the pope an authority on history?

i personally enjoy christmas and the season of christmas.

my religion has nothing to do with my enjoying it.

[Martin Nuke]

I hate Christmas because its expensive.

[ELIAS IBARRA]

The true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) is proven correct again!!! Christmas is a hoax and a money-making venture of the Roman Catholic Church!!!

But still there are thousands of wrong teachings from the spurious religions of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism!!! The pope has to let go of these myths and concoctions of men!!!

Depart from Roman Catholicism and Protestantism!!! You have nothing to lose but their falsities!!!

Stop shaming your parents!!! Improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[ELIAS IBARRA]

2bornot wrote:

Pope Benedict XV nullifies and pulverizes Christmas and/or Christmas celebration
This link takes you to Pope Benedict XV's firm stance on Christmas:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/va...
According to Pope Benedict XVI, Christmas has been a hoax for centuries as it had never been a part of the Catholic Church in any way, shape or form.
What it all boils down to is this: All those who profess the Catholic faith must refrain celebrating Christmas. It also means Christmas songs, toys, and gifts should be abolished within the Catholic community anywhere. Why? Because to the Catholic adherents, the Pope's words are gospel and must not be disobeyed without consequences.
Countries such as Mexico, the Philippines, Spain, and Poland with a very high concentration of catholics, do have a solemn obligation to follow to the letter Pope Benedict XVI's position on Christmas.
Let's see how many Filipino families will continue engaging in selling Christmas merchandise, singing Christmas songs, decorating their homes with Christmas lights, celebrating Christmas as a Saint day.
Obviously, this news has come to those several millions catholics across the globe as a shocker, to say the least. But this is not so news for many other people who knew quite well that Jesus was not born on December 25!
If you are a catholic, we'd like to read your opinions on this issue.

2bornot,

This is one of the most funny thing that has ever happened to the Roman Catholic Church!!! This is one of the triumphs of Brother Felix Y. Manalo and the Iglesia ni Cristo he proselytized!!! We are correct but Catholics and Protestants are wrong!!!

You have to take notice that the Roman Catholic Church's papacy was and is a big part and parcel in the perpetration and perpertuation of this deception for hundreds of years!!! And it is not good for the pope to dismiss the fact that the Catholic Church is not part of this scam!!! Another lie cannot correct a wrong!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[2bornot]

I do believe in God and in creation, but I do not favor one particular church or prayer-hall or synagogue against another. My only quest is the search for the truth. As long as men pretend to be the declared and authentic representatives of God on earth, we have a problem of gigantic profession.

The fight for supreme religious leadership and authority is one that will never end. Some of the odious crimes and human abuses have been committed in the name of God!Those religious supreme leaders who are supposed to help the poor grab their lands in exchange for false promises! These are the supreme leaders who killed Galileo by poisoning him, due to the fact that his teachings on the universe contradicted theirs, and Galileo was proven to be right - but after his death.

Shame on religious masters who have been controlling the minds of several millions around the world through deception, threats of going to hell, dogmatic ideologies, and pure lies - such as Christmas celebration - And for many centuries, religious countries around the world have just sucked in all in as gospel truth, just to finally realize that...oops...it was all a hoax!

Christmas celebration is a worldly celebration that has made its way into some churches centuries ago up to this writing or for the catholics, until their Pope has shed light on that flagrant lie.

Imagine a country like the Philippines - 86% catholics - without openly celebrating Christmas unless they decide to join paganism by refuting their Pope's stand on Christmas!
I'd like to hear what catholic Filipinos everywhere have to say about this burning issue.

[Ozzy]

Elias is just very happy about finding out that he is more Catholic than he ever thought! By why, God, why wont the Pope admit that Felix was an angel and messenger? Why God, why????!!!!

[ELIAS IBARRA]

Ozzy wrote:

Elias is just very happy about finding out that he is more Catholic than he ever thought! By why, God, why wont the Pope admit that Felix was an angel and messenger? Why God, why????!!!!

Ozzy,

The Catholic Church and the Protestant have had already admitted long ago that the word "angel" means "messenger":

"The word angel ultimately is derived from the Greek aggelos, which is the translation of Hebrew mal'ak, messenger. The primary significance of angel, therefore, is messenger from God, a significance describing function rather than being or nature."

"Ang salitang anghel sa katapus-tapusan ay hango sa salitang Griyego na aggelos, na siyang salin ng salitanf Hebreo na mal'ak, sugo. Ang pangunahing kahulugan ng anghel, kung gayon, ay sugo mula sa Diyos, isang kahulugan na naglalarawan ng pananagutan sa halip na kasiyangaan o kalikasan."

Reference:(New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 1, p. 506. Nihil Obstat: John P. Whalen, M.A., S.T.D. Imprimatur: Patrick A. O'Boyle, D.D., Archbishop of Washington, USA: The Catholic University of America, 1967.)

A Catholic book states:

"They are called 'Angels', from a Greek which word means messenger. The word 'Angel', therefore, does not express the nature of these spirits, but rather the offices...."

"Sila ay tinatawag na mga 'Anghel', mula sa salitang Griyego na nangangahulugang sugo. Ang salitang 'Anghel', samakatuwid, ay hindi nagpapahayag ng kalagayan ng
mga espiritung ito, kundi manapa'y ng mga tungkulin...."

Reference: Crock, Clement H. Discourses on the Apostles Creed, p. 72. New York, USA: Joseph F. Wagner, Inc., 1938.)

From the Protestants:

"Angel, m. a messenger of God, an angel, prophet; a name of office, not of nature, given generally to ministering servants of God, to prophets, and holy men acting under divine direction or in the service of religion."

"Anghel. m. sugo ng Diyos, anghel, propeta; pangalan ng tungkulin, hindi kalikasan, na ikinakapit karaniwan na sa mga nangangasiwang lingkod ng Diyos, sa mga propeta, at mga banal na tao na gumagawa sa atas ng Diyos, o pglilingkod na panrelihiyon."

Reference:(Wilson, William. Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies, p. 13. Virginia, USA: MacDonald Publishing Co. Mclean, n.d.)

"Angels. Besides this, which is the highest application of the word angel, we find the phrase used of any messengers of God such as prophets, Is. 42:19; Hag. 1:13; Mal. 3:1, the priests, Mal. 2:7, and the rulers of the Christian churches, Rev. 1:20."

"Mga Anghel. Bukod dito, na siyang pinakamataas na uring paggamit ng salitang anghel, matatagpuan nating ginagamit ang pariralang ito patungkol sa kaninumang sugo ng Diyos, tulad ng mga propeta, Is. 42:19; Hag. 1:13; Mal. 3:1, mga saserdote, Mal. 2:7, at mga tagapamahala ng mga iglesiang Cristiano, Apoc. 1:20."

Reference:(Smith, William, L.L.D. A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 40. USA: The John C. Winston Co., 1884.)

Catholic and Protestant authorities have had written already about the meaning of the word "angel" (messenger) but the matter was not relayed to their faithfuls!!! Why??? For the obvious reason of perpetrating and perpetuating their scams!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[Ozzy]

Felix Manalo is still no angel nor messenger no matter how you slice it.

[ELIAS IBARRA]

Ozzy,

The rites of pagans should not be adhered to by true Christians!!!
Catholics and Protestants observe rites borrowed from pagans:

"It is interesting to note how often our Church has availed herself of practices which were in common use among pagans...Thus it is true, in a certain sense, that certain Catholic rites and ceremonies are a reproduction of those of pagan creeds."

Reference:[Rt. Rev. Msgr. John F. Sullivan, D.D. The Externals of the Catholic Church, p.226]

"The choice of December 25 was probably influenced by the fact that on this day the Romans celebrated the Mithraic feast of the Sun-god (natalis solis invicti), and that the Saturnalia also came at this time. The indications are that the Church in this way grasped the opportunity to turn the people away from the purely pagan observance of the winter solstice to a day of adoration of Christ the Lord. Both St. Cyprian and St. John Chrysostom allude to this thought in their writings."

Reference:(Collier's Encyclopedia, vol. 6, p. 403)

True Christians must stand by what the apostles taught:

"Here then is my word to you, and I urge it on you in the Lord's name: give up living as pagans do with their futile notions." [Eph. 4:17, Revised English Bible]

"Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written'. Then you will not take pride in one man over against another." [1 Cor. 4:6, New International Version]

The Catholic Church and the Protestant cults have often borrowed from pagan rites and ceremonies. This is a violation of the Apostolic teaching that forbids Christians from living as the pagans do and from going beyond what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[ELIAS IBARRA]

Ozzy wrote:

Felix Manalo is still no angel nor messenger no matter how you slice it.

Ozzy,

The truth was already admitted a long time ago!!! The Catholic Church and the Protestant have had already admitted long ago that the word "angel" means "messenger":

"The word angel ultimately is derived from the Greek aggelos, which is the translation of Hebrew mal'ak, messenger. The primary significance of angel, therefore, is messenger from God, a significance describing function rather than being or nature."

"Ang salitang anghel sa katapus-tapusan ay hango sa salitang Griyego na aggelos, na siyang salin ng salitanf Hebreo na mal'ak, sugo. Ang pangunahing kahulugan ng anghel, kung gayon, ay sugo mula sa Diyos, isang kahulugan na naglalarawan ng pananagutan sa halip na kasiyangaan o kalikasan."

Reference:(New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 1, p. 506. Nihil Obstat: John P. Whalen, M.A., S.T.D. Imprimatur: Patrick A. O'Boyle, D.D., Archbishop of Washington, USA: The Catholic University of America, 1967.)

A Catholic book states:

"They are called 'Angels', from a Greek which word means messenger. The word 'Angel', therefore, does not express the nature of these spirits, but rather the offices...."

"Sila ay tinatawag na mga 'Anghel', mula sa salitang Griyego na nangangahulugang sugo. Ang salitang 'Anghel', samakatuwid, ay hindi nagpapahayag ng kalagayan ng
mga espiritung ito, kundi manapa'y ng mga tungkulin...."

Reference: Crock, Clement H. Discourses on the Apostles Creed, p. 72. New York, USA: Joseph F. Wagner, Inc., 1938.)

From the Protestants:

"Angel, m. a messenger of God, an angel, prophet; a name of office, not of nature, given generally to ministering servants of God, to prophets, and holy men acting under divine direction or in the service of religion."

"Anghel. m. sugo ng Diyos, anghel, propeta; pangalan ng tungkulin, hindi kalikasan, na ikinakapit karaniwan na sa mga nangangasiwang lingkod ng Diyos, sa mga propeta, at mga banal na tao na gumagawa sa atas ng Diyos, o pglilingkod na panrelihiyon."

Reference:(Wilson, William. Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies, p. 13. Virginia, USA: MacDonald Publishing Co. Mclean, n.d.)

"Angels. Besides this, which is the highest application of the word angel, we find the phrase used of any messengers of God such as prophets, Is. 42:19; Hag. 1:13; Mal. 3:1, the priests, Mal. 2:7, and the rulers of the Christian churches, Rev. 1:20."

"Mga Anghel. Bukod dito, na siyang pinakamataas na uring paggamit ng salitang anghel, matatagpuan nating ginagamit ang pariralang ito patungkol sa kaninumang sugo ng Diyos, tulad ng mga propeta, Is. 42:19; Hag. 1:13; Mal. 3:1, mga saserdote, Mal. 2:7, at mga tagapamahala ng mga iglesiang Cristiano, Apoc. 1:20."

Reference:(Smith, William, L.L.D. A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 40. USA: The John C. Winston Co., 1884.)

Catholic and Protestant authorities have had written already about the meaning of the word "angel" (messenger) but the matter was not relayed to their faithfuls!!! Why??? For the obvious reason of perpetrating and perpetuating their scams!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[Lol]

I'm a Catholic and so with millions believe that angel is angel; messenger is messenger.

Keep your opinion to yourself Elias.

If your religion is the true religion, spread peace and humility not the other way around spreading hatred and insults, the works of Satan sitting in your shoulder dictating so much hatred with the Catholic and other religions.

[Ozzy]

Elias is spreading the word of a false CULT. There is no stopping ignorance and hatred.

[2bornot]

Folks, everyone, under the banner of democracy, is entitled to his or her opinion. And think that we owe it to ourselves to respect each other's opinion, which doesn't mean we buy into it. When it comes to religious matter, there will be always major misunderstanding and discord; matter of fact, there would be no way around that. But, finger pointing, insult, and self aggrandizement will not help us live as respectful and respected world citizens.

The main issue of discussion is that "Christmas Celebration" that has taken place in many churches and prayer-halls around the world has been found to be a Pagan Celebration, a Pagan Feast, which has nothing to do with the Catholic church or the Jewish Faith or the Protestant Faith.

Let's look at it this way: It's quite shameful that the Pope in the late 13th century onward has adopted a "Pagan Rite" which is Christmas celebration! Paganism is not a part of the catholic faith. What a dire dichotomy! So now Pope Benedict XVI has shed light on what has been centuries of lie and more lie: Christmas...celebrating Jesus's birthday!

Christmas Celebration LIE debunked: This link spells all the beans for the catholic everywhere and all of those who are obsessed with Christmas parties:

Click on http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22361...

Those who profess to be catholic and who adhere to the Pope's preaching have a religious adjustment to make unless they join "Paganism." Time will tell.

Are there any catholic devotees on Filipino Forum? You are free and welcome to speak your mind on this hot religious issue.

[Ozzy]

I often find it funny when people call it celebrating Jesus' birthday. It is not. It is celebrating the birth of Jesus. Completely different meanings. Either way, there are pagan ideas that were brought into tradition. Why? Because people found some of the traditions nice and were able to give it some type of Christian meaning. This is such a silly argument people make. There is no pagan worship. People against the celebration dont separate the two because they dont want to. Simple as that. Such a silly thing to hold onto like a child saying to another child that they have cooties.

[2bornot]

Ozzy,

Did you say: "There is no pagan worship?"

Well, for your information, there is. It is important that statements that we make can be verified. Let's the debate take a life of its own.

Check out the response after clicking on this link:

http://www.patheos.com/Library/Pagan/Ritual-W...

[Ozzy]

Yes, that is what I said. If you dont get it, there is no need for me to try to explain further.

[ELIAS IBARRA]

Ozzy wrote:

I often find it funny when people call it celebrating Jesus' birthday. It is not. It is celebrating the birth of Jesus. Completely different meanings. Either way, there are pagan ideas that were brought into tradition. Why? Because people found some of the traditions nice and were able to give it some type of Christian meaning. This is such a silly argument people make. There is no pagan worship. People against the celebration dont separate the two because they dont want to. Simple as that. Such a silly thing to hold onto like a child saying to another child that they have cooties.

Ozzy,

Call it what you may but the first-century Christians never celebrated December 25 as the birthday of Christ!!! Catholics and Protestants have all swallowed line, hook, and sinker these pagan celebration and disguised the same as Christianized paganism!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[ELIAS IBARRA]

amc wrote:

oh boy another religious debate.
but, what makes the pope an authority on history?
i personally enjoy christmas and the season of christmas.
my religion has nothing to do with my enjoying it.

Amc,

The Catholic papacy is always the author of historical revisionism!!! One of their twistings was their allegation that Apostle Peter was the first pope and they were and are the successors of Peter:

'"Apostolicity, as defined by Leo Trese, "means simply that the Church which claims to be Christ's own must be able to prove its legitimate descent from the apostles, upon whom as a foundation Jesus established his Church."'

Reference:(The Faith Explained, p. 139)

The spurious Catholic religion claims that the "true successors of
the apostles" are the Popes of the Catholic Church who allegedly "are today's latest links in an unbroken chain which stretches back 1900 years." (Ibid.)

One of the things that we are to ascertain is whether the fisherman of Galilee (Peter) was elevated to such an overwhilming position in the Church. Is it true that Apostle Peter was the first Catholic Pope? Was he made the overall overseer of the Church of Christ? And as such, was there a handing down of "official prerogatives" made "to his successors from generation to generation"?

History tells us the following about Simon Peter:

"Our knowledge of the Papacy in the earliest days is very dim and uncertain. Peter, the fisherman of Galilee, who as tradtion relates, was crucified with his head downward about 66, is claimed by the advocates of the Papal system, but without a shadow of historical proof, as first Bishop of Rome."

Reference:(The World's Greatest Events, vol. II, p. 163)

Neither do archaeologists believe that Peter was ever present in Rome during the Apostolic age:

"But is should be carefully noted that there is absolutely no archaeological evidence so far, for the presence of Peter in Rome in the apostolic age (first century)..."

Reference:(Story of the Church, p. 20)

With these truths, it becomes impossible that Peter became Bishop of Rome and that he had the prerogative of primacy over the Church. If he had never been in Rome, how could he be the first Bishop of Rome?

Perhaps, the Catholic apologists found it an easy way to prove that the Catholic Church is the true church by simply showing a connection between the authority of the apostles and the papal system. So, they chose this argument . But the premise required of their argument they chose does not cooperate towards the desired conclusion.

Rev. Bertrand L. Conway himself tell us that the belief that Peter was Bishop of Rome was only declared in the Vatican Council:

"It was not divinely revealed that St. Peter was Bishop of Rome,...The Vatican Council...defined it as an article of faith that 'St. Peter still lives, presides and judges in the person of his successors, Bishops of Rome'."

Reference:(The Question Box, p.145)

Apostle Peter's supposed ascendancy to power as Bishop of Rome is a conciliar invention manufactured in the Vatican Council.

Abandon the Roman Catholic Church!!! You have nothing to lose but their falsities!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!! No more wang wang!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

[ELIAS IBARRA]

According to history, Apostle Peter was crucified in 66 A.D.:

"Our knowledge of the Papacy in the earliest days is very dim and uncertain. Peter, the fisherman of Galilee, who as tradtion relates, was crucified with his head downward about 66, is claimed by the advocates of the Papal system, but without a shadow of historical proof, as first Bishop of Rome."

Reference:(The World's Greatest Events, vol. II, p. 163)

At this point in time, there was no papacy yet!!! Who then beatified and canonized Apostle Peter whom Catholics call as Saint Peter???

It is very important that Roman Catholics improve their low I.Q.!!! They can lie 99 percent of the time but the remaining one percent will make their false claims crumble to pieces and feces!!!

Stop "hidwang, hunghang, and wangwang" beliefs!!! Improve your low I.Q. by proceeding to the Iglesia ni Cristo chapel nearest your place!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam