Ozzy

Catskill, NY

#251 Nov 13, 2012
And INC is the ONLY church that believes it...and that is because it is twisting the scriptures to brainwash.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#252 Nov 14, 2012
Ozzy wrote:
And INC is the ONLY church that believes it...and that is because it is twisting the scriptures to brainwash.
Ozzy,

Of course, the false religions of Roman Catholicism and Protestatism will not agree with the findings of those who are in the know!!!! For they will have no reason for existence and continued scamming!!! They even have to invent spurious stories of apparitions and cryings by a false vrgin Mary in order to make profit!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#254 Nov 15, 2012
It is clear that our Guam based punching bag cannot read. I specifically noted that Moffat and Lamsa are ridiculed by almost every other biblical scholar in existence.

Even the ancient Jews described things as being in the far east or far west. Neither were capitalized or even jokingly noted as being Asia. The concept of 'far' meant beyond the horizon. People of that age thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe too.

Stop pretending that a ne'er do well adulterer who fled prosecution knows more about Biblical translation than anyone else. The original Bibles that Felix read were in Spanish and English. He flipped (no pun intended) back and forth between translations and chose to believe select parts of different books. One would think that the true last messenger would dictate God's official Bible for all to see and read. Nope, Felix the Adulterer tells his cult to simply accept his version as credible. Joseph Smith said the same thing. David Koresh did too. LOL!
dog spelled backwards

Erkelenz, Germany

#255 Nov 15, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
It is clear that our Guam based punching bag cannot read. I specifically noted that Moffat and Lamsa are ridiculed by almost every other biblical scholar in existence.
Even the ancient Jews described things as being in the far east or far west. Neither were capitalized or even jokingly noted as being Asia. The concept of 'far' meant beyond the horizon. People of that age thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe too.
Stop pretending that a ne'er do well adulterer who fled prosecution knows more about Biblical translation than anyone else. The original Bibles that Felix read were in Spanish and English. He flipped (no pun intended) back and forth between translations and chose to believe select parts of different books. One would think that the true last messenger would dictate God's official Bible for all to see and read. Nope, Felix the Adulterer tells his cult to simply accept his version as credible. Joseph Smith said the same thing. David Koresh did too. LOL!
Joseph Smith, David Koresh and Felix Manalo are playing in the same league and on a level playing field.
No more. No less.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#257 Nov 18, 2012
Ozzy wrote:
And INC is the ONLY church that believes it...and that is because it is twisting the scriptures to brainwash.
Ozzy,

You are absolutely wrong!!! Biblical scholars translated the Hebrew word "mizrach" as the Far East!!! So, don't be mad if the evidence goes against you and your cult!!! For that only means that all of you are eliminated in the contention for truth!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#258 Nov 18, 2012
dog spelled backwards wrote:
<quoted text>
Joseph Smith, David Koresh and Felix Manalo are playing in the same league and on a level playing field.
No more. No less.
Dog Behavior,

Brother Felix Y. Manalo proselytized the biblical Church which is the Iglesia ni Cristo showing the numerous prophecies attributed to Her!!! While the cults that you mentioned are devoid of biblical prophecies and authentications!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#259 Nov 18, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
It is clear that our Guam based punching bag cannot read. I specifically noted that Moffat and Lamsa are ridiculed by almost every other biblical scholar in existence.
Even the ancient Jews described things as being in the far east or far west. Neither were capitalized or even jokingly noted as being Asia. The concept of 'far' meant beyond the horizon. People of that age thought the world was flat and the earth was the center of the universe too.
Base Gardiner,

Actually, you are my punching bag as evidenced by your lips, and now, similar to that of the northern walrus!!! Lips are not brains!!! You should know that!!!

Indeed, the Jews described the Far East by using the word "mizrach" instead of "Kedem"!!! Remember that the prophet Isaiah was a Jew who prophesied the place where God's children would come from in these last days!!! He mentioned "islands of the sea" in a "far country in the east" whose God is the "God of Israel"!!!

REal Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#260 Nov 18, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
Stop pretending that a ne'er do well adulterer who fled prosecution knows more about Biblical translation than anyone else. The original Bibles that Felix read were in Spanish and English. He flipped (no pun intended) back and forth between translations and chose to believe select parts of different books. One would think that the true last messenger would dictate God's official Bible for all to see and read. Nope, Felix the Adulterer tells his cult to simply accept his version as credible. Joseph Smith said the same thing. David Koresh did too. LOL!
Base Gardiner,

There is a big difference in what Brother Felix Y. Manalo proselytized when compared to others!!! The Iglesia ni Cristo is being authenticated by others while the matter is not true with the Mormons!!! Here's a Mormon author in his authentication of the the Iglesia ni Cristo:

"He conferred authority in the Church; explained the importance of designating the organization by its proper name --the Church of Christ..."

Reference:[Talmage, James E. The Great Apostasy, p.12. Salt Lake City, Utah:Deseret Book Company, 1968.]

And here's what we say about the Mormons that it is a false religion!!! For the Mormons, God was once a man like us. This is expressly stated in Joseph Smith's teachings, thus:

"Joseph Smith said:'God himself as we are now , and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!... I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see ... It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible ..."

Reference:(Mormon Doctrine, p. 321)

According to Joseph Smith, he is refuting or going against the view that God was God from all eternity!!! He further said that God was once a man like the Mormons!!! Are his contentions true??? Does God change??? A BIG NO:

"I am the Lord, I do not change" (Mal. 3:6, NKJV)

To claim that God became man or changed His nature is to claim that He contradicted His own pronouncement: "I am the Lord, I do not change" (Mal. 3:6, NKJV).

God is always God and not man (Hos. 11:9). He even declared that man is not God (Ezek. 28:2). There is only one God Almighty whose nature or state of being is unchangeable. He is Spirit (John 4:24). He does not and will never recognize another. God who created all things has no beginning; He is from everlasting to everlasting.

"Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God." (Ps. 90:2)

Distance yourselves from the Mormon cult, Catholicism, and Protestantism!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#261 Nov 19, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Base Gardiner,
Actually, you are my punching bag as evidenced by your lips, and now, similar to that of the northern walrus!!! Lips are not brains!!! You should know that!!!
Indeed, the Jews described the Far East by using the word "mizrach" instead of "Kedem"!!! Remember that the prophet Isaiah was a Jew who prophesied the place where God's children would come from in these last days!!! He mentioned "islands of the sea" in a "far country in the east" whose God is the "God of Israel"!!!
REal Elias Ibarra
Guam
Wow...again you pretened I am black and have big lips. I guess you will soon deny that you didn't. That is the typical M.O. of an INC cultist, after all.

Now, back to reality (sigh). The Bible was not written in Hebrew. The original books were written in Greek. Even so, the word 'mizrach' means 'east towards Jerusalem'. It does not mean 'far east' or your stretch or "Far East".

You seem to enjoy searching the web for justifications for your cult's existence. Try Googling "Mizrach Hebrew Meaning". Maybe you will learn about the Mizrahi Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

Again, you will see that nowhere does the word demonstrate anything near a notion of Asia.

Tsk, tsk...evolve, stooge and learn.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#262 Nov 19, 2012
Did anyone else notice how desperate Rizalino is now acting?

Seriously, he does not comprehend the word irony. To wit: He ridicules Joseph Smith for translating the Bible differently than others without recognizing that Felix the Adulterer did the VERY SAME THING!

Ironic?
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#263 Nov 21, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...again you pretened I am black and have big lips. I guess you will soon deny that you didn't. That is the typical M.O. of an INC cultist, after all.
Now, back to reality (sigh). The Bible was not written in Hebrew. The original books were written in Greek. Even so, the word 'mizrach' means 'east towards Jerusalem'. It does not mean 'far east' or your stretch or "Far East".
You seem to enjoy searching the web for justifications for your cult's existence. Try Googling "Mizrach Hebrew Meaning". Maybe you will learn about the Mizrahi Jews. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
Again, you will see that nowhere does the word demonstrate anything near a notion of Asia.
Tsk, tsk...evolve, stooge and learn.
Base Gardiner,

Only the New Testament was written in Greek!!! The prophecy mentioning the Far East (mizrach) was done in Israel by the prophet Isaiah and, thus, Far East or Distant East from Israel:

Isaiah 46:11:

"Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it. Listen to Me, you stubbornminded, who are far from righteousness. I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off; And My salvation will not delay. And I will grant salvation in Zion, and My glory for Israel." (Isaiah 46:11-13, New American Standard Bible)

Just take notice of the prophet's mentioning of the "east" and "far country"!!! Improve your mental capacity and try not to stay forever in kindergarten!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#264 Nov 21, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
Did anyone else notice how desperate Rizalino is now acting?
Seriously, he does not comprehend the word irony. To wit: He ridicules Joseph Smith for translating the Bible differently than others without recognizing that Felix the Adulterer did the VERY SAME THING!
Ironic?
Base Gardiner,

It is you who does not understand the word "irony"!!! You have not finished kindergarten yet!!! I am not rediculing Joseph Smith but citing his falsities against the Bible!!! He made his own gospel different from the Bible and known as "The Book of the Mormons, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price!!!
There is no record in the Bible that those were used by the first-century Christians nor sanctioned by God and Christ!!!

That God is a man as taught by him is a falsity!!! God cannot be man and man cannot be God!!! You make me laugh ignoramus!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#265 Nov 21, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Base Gardiner,
Only the New Testament was written in Greek!!! The prophecy mentioning the Far East (mizrach) was done in Israel by the prophet Isaiah and, thus, Far East or Distant East from Israel:
Isaiah 46:11:
"Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it. Listen to Me, you stubbornminded, who are far from righteousness. I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off; And My salvation will not delay. And I will grant salvation in Zion, and My glory for Israel." (Isaiah 46:11-13, New American Standard Bible)

Just take notice of the prophet's mentioning of the "east" and "far country"!!! Improve your mental capacity and try not to stay forever in kindergarten!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Okay, okay, stooge...take a deep breath. The author wrote 'east' not 'far east' nor "Far East" as the INC often switches. So, let's agree that this was written in Hebrew and heralded from 'mizrach'. Do you know what that means? I have published it here many times.'Mizrach' is defined as 'where the sun rises'. It is not a country; it reflects a place east of where the author resided. As for your contention that a far country means the Philippines, it should be noted that the Philippines belonged to America at the time the INC was formed.

I also found it funny that you completely ignore the fact that Felix the Adulterer cannot claim to be the messenger when Joseph Smith already was. Oh yeah, he was from America. LOL!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#266 Nov 21, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Base Gardiner,
It is you who does not understand the word "irony"!!! You have not finished kindergarten yet!!! I am not rediculing Joseph Smith but citing his falsities against the Bible!!! He made his own gospel different from the Bible and known as "The Book of the Mormons, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price!!!
There is no record in the Bible that those were used by the first-century Christians nor sanctioned by God and Christ!!!
That God is a man as taught by him is a falsity!!! God cannot be man and man cannot be God!!! You make me laugh ignoramus!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
That is the INC two step!

1) There is no such word as 'rediculing'. Is that your kindergarten education on display again?

2) There is no record of many things in the Bible. It is a story book.

3) Joseph Smith said that he wrote what God told him. Can you prove contrary?

4) Felix studied the Church of Latter Day Saints

To wit "In 1911 Felix Manalo attended a 7th day meeting to debate Mr. L.V. Finster a missionary of the 7th day Adventist church on their stance that Christians are under the law. He lost the debate with Him and admitted Finster was right and soon he left the Christian Mission group converting to Seventh Day Adventism. This became his last association with any establish church. While he was in Adventism he began to think of starting his own church. During this time his wife died and he then eloped with Honorata de Gusman a 7th day Adventist. In 1913. He was disciplined for his elopement and there were hints of moral indiscretion.

While there is not any proof of the accusations Iglesia tells it this way "Brother Felix remained with the Adventists until the time that he began to question their observance of the Sabbath during Saturdays. When the Adventists failed to respond to his queries, he resigned as minister and member in 1913." (GOD'S MESSAGE July - September 1994)

After leaving the Seventh Day Adventists, Felix Manalo claimed to experience a call like the ancient prophets. Manalo then closed himself in with his Bible for three days and when he emerged he gave his shoe business to a friend, took his wife and began his mission to start a new church. "His exhaustive study of religions and the Bible led him to the conclusion that none of the existing churches then remained faithful with the biblical truth. Therefore, none of them is the true religion. His meditations assured him that God was commissioning him to preach the true Church of Christ." (GOD'S MESSAGE 1 July - September 1994)"

It sounds like he learned how to copy their drivel. God didn't visit him. Felix the Adulterer merely came up with his own spin on the organized religion con game.

Sucker.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#267 Nov 21, 2012
Ozzy wrote:
And INC is the ONLY church that believes it...and that is because it is twisting the scriptures to brainwash.
Ozzy,

We are not twisting anything in the Scriptures!!! Had that been the case, the Iglesia ni Cristo could have been the object of a damming statement from an ex-Roman Catholic priest!!! Instead, he called the Roman Catholic Church as the:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#268 Nov 21, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, okay, stooge...take a deep breath. The author wrote 'east' not 'far east' nor "Far East" as the INC often switches. So, let's agree that this was written in Hebrew and heralded from 'mizrach'. Do you know what that means? I have published it here many times.'Mizrach' is defined as 'where the sun rises'. It is not a country; it reflects a place east of where the author resided. As for your contention that a far country means the Philippines, it should be noted that the Philippines belonged to America at the time the INC was formed.
I also found it funny that you completely ignore the fact that Felix the Adulterer cannot claim to be the messenger when Joseph Smith already was. Oh yeah, he was from America. LOL!
Gase Gardiner,

The Prophet Isaiah clearly prophesied a "far country in the east"!!! And mizrach is where the sun rises or the east end, distant east, or far east!!! The ticking of the world's clock starts in the Far East and ends in the Far West!!!

Mizrach is not a country but the geographical location or where the the "far country in the east" is situated!!! Mizrach is the same as "the far country in the east"!!! That "far country in the east" is composed of "islands in the sea"!!! The Philippines is in the Far East and is composed of 7,100 islands and islets, more or less!!!

The geographical location of the "far country in the east" including her composition of having "islands in the sea" plus the God of Israel whom the chosen worship eliminate Catholicism and Protestantism automatically!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#269 Nov 21, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...again you pretened I am black and have big lips. I guess you will soon deny that you didn't. That is the typical M.O. of an INC cultist, after all.
Base Gardiner,

Where did I say that you are black and have big lips??? You are concocting things!!! I said that you have protruding lips like the walrus!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#270 Nov 21, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the INC two step!
1) There is no such word as 'rediculing'. Is that your kindergarten education on display again?
Base Gardiner,

Yes, there is and you are using it in an incorrect spelling!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#271 Nov 21, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
2) There is no record of many things in the Bible. It is a story book.
Base Gardiner,

The fact that the Bible is claimed by yourself as a story book shows that it is a record of many things!!! A story book has a title, pages, and many more!!! Improve your brain and try to graduate from kindergarten!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#272 Nov 22, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
3) Joseph Smith said that he wrote what God told him. Can you prove contrary?
Base Gardiner,

I have already proven to you the falsities advertised by Joseph Smith, but, since you are only made up of empty skull, I will repost the falsities of Joseph Smith!!! For the Mormons, God was once a man like us. This is expressly stated in Joseph Smith's teachings, thus:

"Joseph Smith said:'God himself as we are now , and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!... I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see ... It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible ..."

Reference:(Mormon Doctrine, p. 321)

According to Joseph Smith, he is refuting or going against the view that God was God from all eternity!!! He further said that God was once a man like the Mormons!!! Are his contentions true??? Does God change??? A BIG NO:

"I am the Lord, I do not change" (Mal. 3:6, NKJV)

To claim that God became man or changed His nature is to claim that He contradicted His own pronouncement: "I am the Lord, I do not change" (Mal. 3:6, NKJV).

God is always God and not man (Hos. 11:9). He even declared that man is not God (Ezek. 28:2). There is only one God Almighty whose nature or state of being is unchangeable. He is Spirit (John 4:24). He does not and will never recognize another. God who created all things has no beginning; He is from everlasting to everlasting.

"Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God." (Ps. 90:2)

The Mormons lost in the election but they lost their money to Joseph Smith many times before!!!
Real Elias Ibarra

Guam

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