Bakulaw

Adelaide, Australia

#517 Aug 9, 2013
Fields Avenue clubs warned of closure

Posted on July 24, 2013 at 9:44 am

ANGELES CITY – Bar owners at the entertainment district here have to double time in complying with the requirements set by City Hall and police authorities to ensure smooth business operations and avoid being padlocked for “non-compliance” offense.

Setting an example, three girly bars, including Angel Witch, Devil Witch and Voodoo clubs, all situated at the heart of Fields Avenue in Barangay Balibago, were closed and permanently padlocked for alleged “fire violation”, said a bar owner who declined to be named.

This developed as police and City Hall officials called a meeting with bar owners recently. A total of 40 club proprietors have been invited to join in the “conference” but only 11 have so far responded and participated.

Among the participants in the meeting include Mayor Edgardo Pamintuan’s chief of staff Alex Cauguiran, Angeles City police director Senior Supt. Eden Ugale, the provincial chief of the Pampanga Criminal Investigation and Detection Team (CIDT) and representatives from the City Social Welfare and Development Office (CSWDO).

Only six Koreans, an Australian, German and three Filipina floor managers of different bars have joined in the meeting called by authorities.

The discussion, according to Central Luzon Daily sources, evolved on several topics including violations of the anti-human trafficking law, local ordinances such as bar fines, sanitary, health and working permits of employees.

The most interesting topic was about “non-compliance” of requirements set by City Hall and police executives, said the source who spoke to CL Daily on condition of anonymity. He did not, however, elaborate further on the “non-compliance” violation.

“Non-compliance is a general term, a club owner must know how to read between lines,” said the club owner, adding that the City Hall executive had warned that several clubs and entertainment joints will be closed in the next six weeks.

The city hall executive, the source said, also said that a big number of clubs will remain open until 2015 only.

The entertainment district contributes about 30 to 40 percent of the city coffers in terms of business permits, tax and other duties.

Central Luzon Daily tried to reach City Hall and police officials but failed.– Jess Malabanan

SOURCE: Central Luzon Daily
Bakulaw

Adelaide, Australia

#518 Aug 9, 2013
List of Recent Angeles City Bar Raids

8-Aug-13
Midnight Rock
Closed by city hall for leaking pipe and loose hindge on a cabinet in kitchen
30-Jul-13
Insomnia
Close by City Hall for minor housekeeping items
30-Jul-13
D' Club
Close by City Hall for minor housekeeping items
19-Jul-13
Angelwitch
Closed by City for Fire Violations
19-Jul-13
Devilwitch
Closed by City for Fire Violations
19-Jul-13
Voodoo
Closed by City for Fire Violations
12-Jul-13
Viking Bar
CIDG
5-Jul-13
Camelot
26-Jun-13
Baby Dolls
Floor Manager and cashier charged with human trafficking - closure by City Hall
1-Jul-13
Candy Bar
Closed by City Hall because of CIDG raid on 20 June despite no charges filed (allowed to reopen on 27 July)
20-Jun-13
Candy Bar
CIDG - took 31 staff - everyone released after about 6-7 days
28-May-13
Club Prada KTV
Owner +3 charged with trafficking - complaint filed bt DSDW for underaged - no indication any underage found
22-May-13
Eager Beaver
Some customers held up to 2 hours
23-Mar-13
Camelot
Suspected Underage (NONE FOUND)- 92 staff taken away by bus - manager still in jail July 2013
29-Nov-12
Tight Jeans
16-Nov-12
Bare Assets
11-Nov-12
Stampede
They took the manager, the cashier and 10 young looking girls.
31-Mar-12
Coyote Ugly
A foreigner and five others were arrested and 37 female workers "rescued"
7-Oct-11
Dollhouse
"Closed for the weekend as courtesy to City Hall"
15-Sep-11
Dollhouse
DH: 48, Honky Tonk: 17, Dirty Duck: 12 & Boogles 2 (12 minors suspected)
15-Sep-11
Gobbles
15-Sep-11
Dirty Duck
15-Sep-11
Honky-Tonk
4-Jul-11
Golden Nile
Closed by Mayors Office
4-Jul-11
Blue Nile Exec
Closed by Mayors Office
4-Jul-11
Cambodia Club
Closed by Mayors Office
28-Jun-11
Sunshine Club
Complaint from a mother of a dancer?
28-Jun-11
Golden Nile
complaint by the Crusade Against Good Customs and Decency International
28-Jun-11
Blue Nile Exec
complaint by the Crusade Against Good Customs and Decency International
19-May-11
Honey Pot
Ray Kelly arrested - Girls asked to pay P15k each for release @ Camp Crame

Since: Dec 12

Collingwood, Australia

#519 Aug 9, 2013
Don used to be my goto guy when looking for value prostitutes. Anyone have current intel?
joules

Plano, TX

#520 Aug 9, 2013
Bakulaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Many years ago Australian owned around 60% of the bars and Americans the other 40%.
Now the majority of bars are owned by Koreans. Up at Friendship the Koreans even pay to have their own Filipino Police.
There are also Germans and Norwegians and British.
The only reason the bars get raided is to extort money from the bar owners. Many times the girls are planted in the bar by the NBI, CIDG, PNP.
The Philippines government could close the bars anytime they want.
The bars are still there, perhaps more now than when the bases were there, and so are the prostitutes. The issues are pretty much the same 20 yrs ago. Should prostitutes be treated as perpetrators or victims. Will closing the bars in AC solve the problem. Is it better to legalize and heavily regulate prostitution just like other countries. I'm in favor of any program that would prevent these girls from getting started. Or anything that would prevent the proliferation of more bars.
heressss kenny

Laguna, Philippines

#521 Aug 9, 2013
Christopher Santos wrote:
Don used to be my goto guy when looking for value prostitutes. Anyone have current intel?
with the current growth in the HIV rate i recommend your right hand .Safer, cheaper ,less travel required,still legal and non-taxable .
joules

Plano, TX

#522 Aug 9, 2013
Charles54 wrote:
<quoted text>
Joules was speaking of Angeles 30 or so years ago. He has completely obsolete thoughts about most parts of his country. His rantings are basically based from eons ago.
Red light districts, brothels and even dingy corners in the Phils will stay as long as there are Pinays who are willing to sell their bodies and people to patronize them.
The comment is a fair statement. My earlier comments were based on experiences from about 25 yrs ago. The thoughts are however not obsolete, since many of the issues are still there. Eons ago the problems were there and based on posts in this thread, it seems to be worsening. The challenge to the PH gov't is how not to get these girls started on the oldest professions so there will be less of them to be patronized.
Bakulaw

Adelaide, Australia

#523 Aug 9, 2013
joules wrote:
<quoted text>The comment is a fair statement. My earlier comments were based on experiences from about 25 yrs ago. The thoughts are however not obsolete, since many of the issues are still there. Eons ago the problems were there and based on posts in this thread, it seems to be worsening. The challenge to the PH gov't is how not to get these girls started on the oldest professions so there will be less of them to be patronized.
They could try stopping corruption so that the government has money to provide better education and encourage investment so that they have jobs to go to when they finish school.
But we all know that corruption in the Philippines will never stop because the people keep on voting in the same people.

Since: Dec 12

Collingwood, Australia

#524 Aug 10, 2013
heressss kenny wrote:
<quoted text>
with the current growth in the HIV rate i recommend your right hand .Safer, cheaper ,less travel required,still legal and non-taxable .
Yeah, fair call. But I always wear a rubber and blow on face. So HIV risk is minimal. I also pay for more upmarket girls in the $15-20 range.
heressssssssssss s kenny

Laguna, Philippines

#525 Aug 10, 2013
joules wrote:
<quoted text>The comment is a fair statement. My earlier comments were based on experiences from about 25 yrs ago. The thoughts are however not obsolete, since many of the issues are still there. Eons ago the problems were there and based on posts in this thread, it seems to be worsening. The challenge to the PH gov't is how not to get these girls started on the oldest professions so there will be less of them to be patronized.
Sorry to disagree - this is not a Govt issue to me -its EASY MONEY -this is a profession chosen by women all over the world even in the best economic times - i think it is more a problem of low morals and acceptance -for example when was the last time you saw ANY church in the Philippines try to do anything about such an obvious issue ???
They bitch about the RH bill -a bill designed to give women control over their own bodies -yet they do nothing about prostitution.
lol

San Francisco, CA

#526 Aug 10, 2013
Dee Johnson wrote:
<quoted text> You make so much sense ! sir people find it so easy to turn a blind eye to sex slavery. But what is the real life A person can mask their feels and put on a good show I do people put up fronts for appearance so why can't "some" of the bar girls in Angele's city do it. Watch this if you don't believe me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iTkMBQglYX8XX
It's a "sickness" . Just imagine those articles of women and girls disappearing everyday in the newspapers and later found murdered or vanished in thin air??? Then a story of one man killing more than a dozen just to satisfy his needs???

I agree with you that some women and girls are acting for the act of acting, but deep inside....some are feeling dirty and shame...

I did not watch ....and we can't judge a book by it's cover...same as the young girls, who are acting as if they're enjoying it....instead of having a normal life like other children who are blessed to have good loving parents and surrounded with a civilized society.
Charles54

Las Piñas, Philippines

#527 Aug 10, 2013
Is prostitution the profession of choice of the destitute in the Phils? Not necessarily,
right?

Having a well educated or high earning populace will not help in eradicating this problem. As I have said, for as long as there will be women willing to work for easy money and willing patrons or two consenting adults, prostitution will always be a thriving business.

Filipinos should not entrust their moral responsibilities to their government nor to their church. What the government can do is to regulate this business and strictly enforced the law, but in the Phils?
joules

Plano, TX

#528 Aug 10, 2013
Charles54 wrote:
Is prostitution the profession of choice of the destitute in the Phils? Not necessarily,
right?
Having a well educated or high earning populace will not help in eradicating this problem. As I have said, for as long as there will be women willing to work for easy money and willing patrons or two consenting adults, prostitution will always be a thriving business.
Filipinos should not entrust their moral responsibilities to their government nor to their church. What the government can do is to regulate this business and strictly enforced the law, but in the Phils?
I agree with many of your statements. It is indeed a moral issue to many. Far too many girls think that's its OK to prostitute themselves to provide food on the table. Far too many adults think that availing of or even condoning prostitutes is OK for as long as its not one of their daughters. But if you exclude the gov't and the church, who is to left to provide moral guidance to the populace. Should we leave it up to the parents? NGOs perhaps? I think all of them should do something about it. We need moral leadership with the authority and power to orchestrate these organizations and individuals with disparate agendas. Regulating and strict enforcement of the law has almost become a cliche in this situation, but I am hopeful that the positive actions of law enforcement agencies as posted on this forum would yield to something fruitful.
joules

Plano, TX

#529 Aug 10, 2013
heresssssssssssss kenny wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to disagree - this is not a Govt issue to me -its EASY MONEY -this is a profession chosen by women all over the world even in the best economic times - i think it is more a problem of low morals and acceptance -for example when was the last time you saw ANY church in the Philippines try to do anything about such an obvious issue ???
They bitch about the RH bill -a bill designed to give women control over their own bodies -yet they do nothing about prostitution.
It is a moral issue. The church, by its presence and its religious schools do provide moral guidance. The absence of it without some other institution filling the void would lead to a morally corrupt and confused citizenry. The church has never changed its position in proclaiming prostitution as a sin in the same manner as they have always been against its legalization. So to the proponents of legalizing and heavily regulating prostitution, their ideas will forever clash with the church's. We have seen this clash in the RH bill controversy which is very divisive as well and is still being contested at this stage.
Dee Johnson

Brooklyn, NY

#530 Aug 10, 2013
Bakulaw wrote:
List of Recent Angeles City Bar Raids
8-Aug-13
Midnight Rock
Closed by city hall for leaking pipe and loose hindge on a cabinet in kitchen
30-Jul-13
Insomnia
Close by City Hall for minor housekeeping items
30-Jul-13
D' Club
Close by City Hall for minor housekeeping items
19-Jul-13
Angelwitch
Closed by City for Fire Violations
19-Jul-13
Devilwitch
Closed by City for Fire Violations
19-Jul-13
Voodoo
Closed by City for Fire Violations
12-Jul-13
Viking Bar
CIDG
5-Jul-13
Camelot
26-Jun-13
Baby Dolls
Floor Manager and cashier charged with human trafficking - closure by City Hall
1-Jul-13
Candy Bar
Closed by City Hall because of CIDG raid on 20 June despite no charges filed (allowed to reopen on 27 July)
20-Jun-13
Candy Bar
CIDG - took 31 staff - everyone released after about 6-7 days
28-May-13
Club Prada KTV
Owner +3 charged with trafficking - complaint filed bt DSDW for underaged - no indication any underage found
22-May-13
Eager Beaver
Some customers held up to 2 hours
23-Mar-13
Camelot
Suspected Underage (NONE FOUND)- 92 staff taken away by bus - manager still in jail July 2013
29-Nov-12
Tight Jeans
16-Nov-12
Bare Assets
11-Nov-12
Stampede
They took the manager, the cashier and 10 young looking girls.
31-Mar-12
Coyote Ugly
A foreigner and five others were arrested and 37 female workers "rescued"
7-Oct-11
Dollhouse
"Closed for the weekend as courtesy to City Hall"
15-Sep-11
Dollhouse
DH: 48, Honky Tonk: 17, Dirty Duck: 12 & Boogles 2 (12 minors suspected)
15-Sep-11
Gobbles
15-Sep-11
Dirty Duck
15-Sep-11
Honky-Tonk
4-Jul-11
Golden Nile
Closed by Mayors Office
4-Jul-11
Blue Nile Exec
Closed by Mayors Office
4-Jul-11
Cambodia Club
Closed by Mayors Office
28-Jun-11
Sunshine Club
Complaint from a mother of a dancer?
28-Jun-11
Golden Nile
complaint by the Crusade Against Good Customs and Decency International
28-Jun-11
Blue Nile Exec
complaint by the Crusade Against Good Customs and Decency International
19-May-11
Honey Pot
Ray Kelly arrested - Girls asked to pay P15k each for release @ Camp Crame
That's good close then all down get the bars get out of ph Women and children will not have to live in fear... Pinoys are strong people despite being a 3rd world country they they can do other things to make a living without Domestic and "foreign influence". I admire the Filipino's I wish I could be more like them in some way's their have such a high regard and respect for their Families it always comes first. Despite they way some of them act alot of them have something called dignity and respect we are missing alot of that in the USA.:) And would never sell themselves short by working in dirty places to make money. But the people that do it I will not bash them to much even thought what their doing is morality wrong but I will leave that up to god himself he is the ultimate judge of one character :) Im just a person is all.
Bakulaw

Adelaide, Australia

#531 Aug 10, 2013
Dee Johnson wrote:
<quoted text> That's good close then all down get the bars get out of ph Women and children will not have to live in fear... Pinoys are strong people despite being a 3rd world country they they can do other things to make a living without Domestic and "foreign influence". I admire the Filipino's I wish I could be more like them in some way's their have such a high regard and respect for their Families it always comes first. Despite they way some of them act alot of them have something called dignity and respect we are missing alot of that in the USA.:) And would never sell themselves short by working in dirty places to make money. But the people that do it I will not bash them to much even thought what their doing is morality wrong but I will leave that up to god himself he is the ultimate judge of one character :) Im just a person is all.
Answer the question then. How long have you lived in the Philippines and how many provinces have you been to?
You have no understanding of the country at all.
Dee Johnson

Brooklyn, NY

#532 Aug 10, 2013
Bakulaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer the question then. How long have you lived in the Philippines and how many provinces have you been to?
You have no understanding of the country at all.
How about you leave me alone sir have a good day.:)
Dee Johnson

Brooklyn, NY

#533 Aug 10, 2013
Bakulaw wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer the question then. How long have you lived in the Philippines and how many provinces have you been to?
You have no understanding of the country at all.
So quick to judge me huh? Guess you like the bars fine like them it's your business I can't stop you from going if that is the activity you like then fine I get it. I know the Philippines is a poor country. They don't live in the land of luxury of the USA or Australia, food it hard to come by getting clean water if you don't have money is next to impossible I've seen the parts of manila where kids are homeless on the streets and left mother and fatherless because some of the prostitutes of the child die of aids can you explain that for me ? Sir I understand the demographics of the Philippines as many as 1,000,000 children are homeless. Yes sir and you can down vote my comments all you want and bash me all day. But will defend the Filipino's because they are good and clean hearted people. No matter what they do :)Even though I wish do wave 1 billion dollars if I had it to make sure they have choice good day to you sir.:)
lol

San Francisco, CA

#534 Aug 10, 2013
Dee Johnson wrote:
<quoted text> That's good close then all down get the bars get out of ph Women and children will not have to live in fear... Pinoys are strong people despite being a 3rd world country they they can do other things to make a living without Domestic and "foreign influence". I admire the Filipino's I wish I could be more like them in some way's their have such a high regard and respect for their Families it always comes first. Despite they way some of them act alot of them have something called dignity and respect we are missing alot of that in the USA.:) And would never sell themselves short by working in dirty places to make money. But the people that do it I will not bash them to much even thought what their doing is morality wrong but I will leave that up to god himself he is the ultimate judge of one character :) Im just a person is all.
Good post Dee. Thanks
Charles54

Las Piñas, Philippines

#535 Aug 10, 2013
Commercial sex sectors in the Philippines are real. Historical theory of female prostitution, social, economic, political, institutional, moral and ideological are factors I believe underpin the thriving sex industry.

In the Phils, prostitution, in spite of the fact it is illegal it has become a social norm. It is openly practiced and tolerated. It takes place in any cities and provinces in the country. It is generally disapproved but the shame/humiliation is not lasting or severe especially since many of these sex workers sustain their families. This acceptance has permitted this profession to flourish without much of extreme disgrace.

No government has so far prevented/eradicated this sex industry. Statues and laws will be passed but this sector will still remain and will always be part of the social fabric of any country.
Charles54

Las Piñas, Philippines

#536 Aug 10, 2013
"That's good close then all down get the bars get out of ph Women and children will not have to live in fear"

How will you resolve the unemployment? Have you ever thought why there are lots of homeless children prowling in the streets? Not only because some mothers have died of AIDs but primarily due to indolence and moral deficiency. Lack of alternative employment, educational opportunities and social services are only lame excuses.

They can't blame them all to the government and the church but to the ideology of each and every Filipino.

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