Kiram clan wants death toll proven, insists only 10 soldiers dead

Mar 8, 2013 Full story: The Straits Times 16

Abraham Idjirani, right, a spokesperson of the Sultanate of Sulu, holds a copy of the statement of Rajamuda Kiram, the brother of the Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, confirming the death of ten followers in a firefight Friday, during a news conference on Saturday, March 2, 2013 at suburban Taguig city, east of Manila, Philippines.

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Juan de la Cruz

Quezon City, Philippines

#1 Mar 8, 2013
Ha ha ha ha ,...the Sultan now wants the Philippine Government to claim Sabah and not him. Wise guy, huh ? First he goes off with all guns firing and invading Sabah,...now after getting his men killed off by the Malaysians , he cries "foul " and ask P'Noy to help him. He himself decided to force his way into Sabah, but did not think about the consequences with Malaysia. Not too smart after all. lol He never even consulted P'Noy when he rushed to Sabah. He should have read the warning sign,...NO TRESPASSING , first !
amc

San Juan, Philippines

#2 Mar 8, 2013
ooooooopppppps. this clowns head on a stake with is babbling niece beside him would make a great front page news story.

poetic justice
SANTAI

Asia/Pacific Region

#3 Mar 8, 2013
The sultan is getting too smart for a geurilla leader. I wonder where he did he got the western political mind?.. Smart move by questioning the death toll proven, because if the Malaysian government announcement about the death toll turn out to be wrong, it can reduce the Malaysian people trust & support to their government. Many Malaysian people already questioned about the reliability of the photos Shown by the Malaysian MoD, because the dead body that was more like the Malaysian security officer than the Sulu geurillas.
It was easy to predict that thé Sulu's Leader know the victory will hard to achieve in the battlefield, but the battle is needed to pull the Malaysian goverment to International Court of Justice.. With the help of Philipine gov of course.
Martin Nuke

Marikina, Philippines

#6 Mar 9, 2013
The Malaysian Forces even killed children in some sources but it has media blackout and I do not know if it was intentional or not but still it is a bad image for Malaysia.

Since: Apr 09

San Pedro, Philippines

#7 Mar 9, 2013
SANTAI wrote:
The sultan is getting too smart for a geurilla leader. I wonder where he did he got the western political mind?.. Smart move by questioning the death toll proven, because if the Malaysian government announcement about the death toll turn out to be wrong, it can reduce the Malaysian people trust & support to their government. Many Malaysian people already questioned about the reliability of the photos Shown by the Malaysian MoD, because the dead body that was more like the Malaysian security officer than the Sulu geurillas.
It was easy to predict that thé Sulu's Leader know the victory will hard to achieve in the battlefield, but the battle is needed to pull the Malaysian goverment to International Court of Justice.. With the help of Philipine gov of course.
WTF is wrong with you people. The only court there will be is giving out a death sentence to those invaders for illegally entering Malaysia and killing civilians, police and military. It's not the Philippines where the accuse demands and it takes 10 years to convict oh no.
In a month the caught will be tried and hanged. Dumb fu@king arrogant Flips think their special and that all countries should operate like they do. WRONG!!!! Malaysia will hang your sorry asses and the only request they may grant you is the color of the rope!!!!!!
MalayisPilgrim

Surabaya, Indonesia

#8 Mar 9, 2013
i wondering about its just 10 combatan killed and another was civilian but malay aoe law enforcement call them all as combatan
SabahanHate Pinoys

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#9 Mar 9, 2013
How is it possible Kiram can verify only 10 members of his army were killed in combat? From what I know phone communication in that area (Tanduo Lahad Datu) has been disconnected and after several weeks in the jungle the cellphone bateries not getting recharged must be dead already.
Filmalay

Netherlands

#10 Mar 9, 2013
The Federation of Malaya armed forces is now getting desperate in capturing or killing the Sulu Sultanate Army by claiming that they killed a total of approximately more than 50 combatants? And the Sultanate army claimed only 10?

Those killed must be innocent civilians who were trying to make a living in the war zone.
MalayisPilgrim

Surabaya, Indonesia

#12 Mar 9, 2013
and there was a picture about malay law enforcement killing the intruder whre that intruder wearing a white clotes and white jeans....i'm wondering that intruder must thinking about he was war in artic wich the clotes match with the environment....how camouflaged
SabahanHate Pinoys

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#13 Mar 9, 2013
I believe thats the reason why media personnels are prohibited to enter the area. As the operation now also involve army, our govt did not want POWs so now its a killing field there. No surrender, those who did were shot on sight.

Important thing is not what outsiders (pinoys, or the whole world) is thinking, our govt is acting on the demand of the locals of Sabah including me who feel this is just appropriate. They died as collaterals nothing more.
Don -the American Flip

Burnaby, Canada

#14 Mar 9, 2013
Don the American wrote:
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WTF is wrong with you people. The only court there will be is giving out a death sentence to those invaders for illegally entering Malaysia and killing civilians, police and military. It's not the Philippines where the accuse demands and it takes 10 years to convict oh no.
In a month the caught will be tried and hanged. Dumb fu@king arrogant Flips think their special and that all countries should operate like they do. WRONG!!!! Malaysia will hang your sorry asses and the only request they may grant you is the color of the rope!!!!!!
Technically speaking, you're flipping the issue between the Sultanate of Sulu and the Malaysia with Philippines. You maybe flipping your brain about it but Flippingly speaking, you're flipping the Philippines and the Filipino people as if Philippines and Filipino people are the " Royal Army of the Sultenate of Sulu" You Flip Don the American, you're soooooooo good of Flipping things up! The Sultenate of Sulu has their own army and they are Muslim Filipinos, like same as you Flipped the Native American people in your country. So stop flipping things up! I know you hate all Filipinos even you're sucking up American Tax money money. Imagine , you enjoy the free rides in the Philippines for free. You maybe have tons of dollars but soon it's gonna drain-out. The dollar vakue it's gonna be $1 = one Peso or maybe 10 cents because China is trying to convince the whole Asian countries to ONE ASIAN CURRENCY. The Chinese secretly discyssed all the Asian countries to ONE CURRENCY. And what do you mean by that? That all Asian don't need to go outside their own country. The Russian might join it. When only one Currency in whole Asia- there will be no more POOR OR RICH ASIAN PEOPLE. That's why China don't want any western countries intervene in Asian Countries. That's why they are protecting the Scarborough Shoal to avoid from American domination in Asia. They're even happy when Joseph Estrada kicked the US Military base out in the Philippines. The Chinese enjoy freedom too and they are going to Change the world in a Fair democratic way NOT Western democratic way. The world will be control by Chinese in their own ways, so better Flip your underwear cause soon you're living in a Chinese of Democracy. They are not going to protest like you do in your own country. China will dominate the world in a peaful way .
Filmalay

Anonymous Proxy

#15 Mar 9, 2013
SabahanHate Pinoys wrote:
I believe thats the reason why media personnels are prohibited to enter the area. As the operation now also involve army, our govt did not want POWs so now its a killing field there. No surrender, those who did were shot on sight.
Important thing is not what outsiders (pinoys, or the whole world) is thinking, our govt is acting on the demand of the locals of Sabah including me who feel this is just appropriate. They died as collaterals nothing more.
Declare war to the Tausogs and get what you ask for.

Unfortunately, the demand of the locals does not reflect the true sentiment of the people. What you are saying is the product of your perception and nothing else.

The Chinese in Sabah are the prime source of the what comes out of the media since they owned online news and other publications. The media in cooperation with the government is out to discredit the true owners of Sabah for their own benefit. This disinformation campaign by the Malayan government and media reflect the true intention of illegal Sabah occupier Federation of Malaya( 11 States)
Juan de la Cruz

Quezon City, Philippines

#17 Mar 9, 2013
Why do they not get this into their heads that it is not the Philippines who invaded Sabah but a guy named Kiram. He expected our Goverment to intercede for him and claim the place as a piece of the Philippines. Right or wrong, let Kiram fight his own wars. It must be just a ploy of Kiram and his friends to stake a claim of all of Mindanao for the Moro National Movement headed by him and cohorts. Not too wise is he ?
SabahanHate Pinoys

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#18 Mar 9, 2013
Filmalay wrote:
<quoted text>
Declare war to the Tausogs and get what you ask for.
Unfortunately, the demand of the locals does not reflect the true sentiment of the people. What you are saying is the product of your perception and nothing else.
The Chinese in Sabah are the prime source of the what comes out of the media since they owned online news and other publications. The media in cooperation with the government is out to discredit the true owners of Sabah for their own benefit. This disinformation campaign by the Malayan government and media reflect the true intention of illegal Sabah occupier Federation of Malaya( 11 States)
Its already a war. And rest assured long term, its not Malaysia who suffer. Tausugs in Palawan, Tawi-Tawi are now feeling the heat due to the naval blockade as they need to trade illegaly with Sabah to survive. Cut the supply for basic necessities and they die, whoever they are, warrior class or not. As for media manipulations, why does it matter to us how many died 10 or even 100 tausugs dead? Do we have to cry for the tausugs who are suffering now after what they did to us? They trade illegaly in Sabah and taking our resources out. They also bring/sell syabu (meth), harboring criminals/prostitutes/murderer s/terrorists in their slum dwellings, killing our police officers, etc.

Since: Apr 09

Olongapo City, Philippines

#19 Mar 9, 2013
Juan de la Cruz wrote:
Why do they not get this into their heads that it is not the Philippines who invaded Sabah but a guy named Kiram. He expected our Goverment to intercede for him and claim the place as a piece of the Philippines. Right or wrong, let Kiram fight his own wars. It must be just a ploy of Kiram and his friends to stake a claim of all of Mindanao for the Moro National Movement headed by him and cohorts. Not too wise is he ?
He is a Philippine national a Philippine citizen. It's not the fault of Malaysia the Philippines can't keep them under control and allow them arms and free reign. All Malaysia cares about is a bunch of animals invaded killing their people and must be exterminated.
hip hip hurray

Scranton, PA

#20 Mar 9, 2013
The excursion of Sultan Jamalul Kiram’s Royal security forces into Lahad Datu is one more major problem faced by Malaysia military which, for so long, has been perceived as one of the weakest among nations in Southeast Asia.

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