Chinese Cultural Influences on Filipinos. Positives & Negatives?

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AussiPino

Australia

#1 Oct 20, 2011
What are your thoughts?
AussiPino

Australia

#2 Oct 21, 2011
Chinese influence over ancient Filipinos has proved to be holistic in nature in a sense that they have affected the Filipinos in terms of economy, clothing, language, and more importantly, values and beliefs.

Archeological relics of ancient Chinese pottery and jewelry were found in the Philippines. Consequently, it was from them that Filipinos learned the use of porcelain as well as methods of mining. Furthermore, the loose style of clothing of early Tagalog’s and the sleeved jackets and loose trousers of the Moro women revealed the Chinese influence in Filipino dress. Some words Filipinos still use today like tanghoy (lamp), susi (key), tsa (tea), tiani (tweezers), mangkok (bowl), sangko (eldest brother), and ditse (eldest sister) originated from the Chinese language (Zaide 1937). Evidently, as Chinese has influenced Filipino’s language, it’s not very hard to believe then that they have also transmitted some values to Filipinos as well; if language is transmitted through learning as part of enculturation, then more so in values and beliefs (Macionis, 2003); especially when the fact is that there were already 150 Chinese settlers in the country in 1571, as seen by the Spanish colonizer, Legaspi. These immigrants intermarried with the Filipinos and settled in permanently as the present time still proves.

Some of the early Filipino customs originated from China such as arranged marriages by the parents, the hiring of go-between to negotiate marriages between two parties, and respect given to parents and elders. Also, through the mixed marriages, Filipino people acquired Chinese sterling traits such as love of family, industry, frugality, humility, fortitude, and kindness.
i ching

United States

#3 Oct 21, 2011
chinese culture influenced philippines? if it is vietnam, thailand or malaysia i can understand but come on, pilippines? it's a catholic country
USA BORROWS 43000 ASECOND

Scranton, PA

#4 Oct 21, 2011
the Chinese were trading with the Filipinos, long before the Spanish came..

thus when the Spanish came... they didnt expect them to claim the Philippines as a new undiscovered country and the Colonialism of it
AussiPino

Australia

#5 Oct 21, 2011
USA BORROWS 43000 ASECOND wrote:
the Chinese were trading with the Filipinos, long before the Spanish came..
thus when the Spanish came... they didnt expect them to claim the Philippines as a new undiscovered country and the Colonialism of it
You're right that the Chinese have been trading and settling in the Philippines way longer before the Spaniards arrived. The Chinese have been been arriving for at least since the 9th century A.D. to trade and settle. They intermarried with the Austronesian Filipino women and the Chinese blood spread around, especially around the mercantile areas.

Cultural traits have been incorporated into the Filipino culture such as honorific terms such as "Ate" "Kuya", collective values within businesses and communities. Acculturation has been happening for centuries so the Chinese cultural influences is embedded within the Filipino psyche.

Many Filipinos don't even realize this. Alot of the Chinese cultural influence within Filipino society originated from the Hokkien and Fujian cultures of Southern China.

Since: Oct 11

Bayan, Philippines

#6 Oct 22, 2011
The sultanate of Sulu had diplomatic relations with China long before the Spanish stumbled upon Phillipines. China recognizes Mindanao as an independent state back then. And also traded heavily with Visaya and Luzon.
Even until now Chinese are still influencing Philippine culture.
The finer point of being industrious and thriftyis somewhat difficult to latch on though hehehehe
Until today we can see new migrants from China balancing goods for sale on wooden poles across their back, semblance of old days when Chinese migrants would peddle goods for sale this way.
Positive or negative? In general I would have to say it's a positive.
andrzej

Polska, Poland

#7 Oct 22, 2011
do you consider chinese culture of leaving a toddler dying in the middle of the road positive or negative?

Since: Oct 11

Bayan, Philippines

#8 Oct 22, 2011
Oh yeah that damn... What should I say hmmm I change my mind it's negative. I hope everybody is happy now.
You owe15 trillion

Seattle, WA

#9 Oct 22, 2011
andrzej wrote:
do you consider chinese culture of leaving a toddler dying in the middle of the road positive or negative?
your talking about culture.... thats different than their laws..

which they need to change...

you probably would too if you could be charged for a crime for just helping out.. crime like manslaughter

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"there’s the curious 2006 case of Peng Yu from Nanjing (南京& #24429;宇&#26696 ;). Peng Yu helped a woman to the hospital after she had fallen, only to have the old woman accuse him of knocking her down. A Nanjing judge ultimately ruled that common sense dictated only the person who hit the victim would take her to the hospital, setting a precedent that continues to further discourages and reinforces many Chinese people’s wariness to help others in similar situations.

With a warped legal system like this and peculiar accident compensation laws, who would dare to stand out and help others?

This unfortunate incident of two-year-old Yue Yue has brought shame to China on the global arena. The news has been reported through many international media channels. Hopefully, Yue Yue’s sacrifice will not be in vain, but will propel the Chinese authorities to seriously reconsider their traffic laws."
BALLOONMAN

San Juan, Philippines

#10 Oct 22, 2011
You owe15 trillion wrote:
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your talking about culture.... thats different than their laws..
which they need to change...
you probably would too if you could be charged for a crime for just helping out.. crime like manslaughter
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"there’s the curious 2006 case of Peng Yu from Nanjing (&#21335;&#20140;& #24429;&#23431;&#26696 ;). Peng Yu helped a woman to the hospital after she had fallen, only to have the old woman accuse him of knocking her down. A Nanjing judge ultimately ruled that common sense dictated only the person who hit the victim would take her to the hospital, setting a precedent that continues to further discourages and reinforces many Chinese people’s wariness to help others in similar situations.
With a warped legal system like this and peculiar accident compensation laws, who would dare to stand out and help others?
This unfortunate incident of two-year-old Yue Yue has brought shame to China on the global arena. The news has been reported through many international media channels. Hopefully, Yue Yue’s sacrifice will not be in vain, but will propel the Chinese authorities to seriously reconsider their traffic laws."
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By all of my conversations and observations of the pilipin courts and justice system id have to say that the pilipins has copied this rather bazaar form of warped legal system and compensation laws furthering the problems foreigners face here at any given time.
basically if you are involved in any accident regardless of your innocence, since you are a foreigner then you have a lot of money hence its your fault and you must pay.

pinoy runs into the back of you? your fault for stopping. pinoy runs into you from a side street? your fault for being there. pinoy drives off the road and crashes? he saw you and was distracted. your fault. its the pinoy way.

pick any scenario you like and a foreigner will always be held liable for the poor uneducated pinoys injuries and his families well being.

deny any of this? of course. always deny.

Since: Oct 11

Bayan, Philippines

#11 Oct 22, 2011
I'd say at most times, yes it is. But are saying it was copied from the Chinese?
AussiPino

Australia

#12 Oct 22, 2011
Should Filipinos learn how to be good businessmen by learning off the Chinese-Filipinos? We always hear complaints about how the Chinese in the Philippines dominate the economy blah blah but what can we do to improve the fair share of everybody getting a chance to participate in the business sector?

Can we learn from the Chinese-Filipinos?

Is it impossible to do so?
I Ching

Mclean, VA

#14 Oct 23, 2011
AussiPino wrote:
Should Filipinos learn how to be good businessmen by learning off the Chinese-Filipinos? We always hear complaints about how the Chinese in the Philippines dominate the economy blah blah but what can we do to improve the fair share of everybody getting a chance to participate in the business sector?
Can we learn from the Chinese-Filipinos?
Is it impossible to do so?
Impossible.

You don't know the Chinese culture, language and proverbs. Filipinos have simple mind and can never understand how Chinese mind works and be trickery because Filipinos the do not know how to read between the lips. You need to be born as a Chinese or live among the Chinese during early childhood speaking Chinese language and proverbs like your own mother tongue.

Knowing only half of the Chinese culture won't make you understand the Chinese at all and lead you towards wrong perception. Learning Chinese at language classes full of other Filipinos also won't work.

Chinese dominates the whole South East Asia because Austronesian people are very unproductive and significantly less intelligent according to average IQ rankings based on racial background. On the other hands, the Westerners and other East Asians are much smarter, innovative and productive which makes the Chinese have less chances of dominating their economics.
I Ching

Mclean, VA

#15 Oct 23, 2011
If you possess the wisdom and reasoning of the westerners and work as a society you won't be having much problems of Philippines Chinese dominating your economics since your race control the politics of your country.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#16 Oct 23, 2011
fuxck the chinese and their ugly azz people hahaha, joke lang that red horse made me say it. I love chinese, everyone should own one ha
dohogne

Johor Bahru, Malaysia

#17 Oct 23, 2011
I Ching wrote:
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Impossible.
You don't know the Chinese culture, language and proverbs. Filipinos have simple mind and can never understand how Chinese mind works and be trickery because Filipinos the do not know how to read between the lips. You need to be born as a Chinese or live among the Chinese during early childhood speaking Chinese language and proverbs like your own mother tongue.
Knowing only half of the Chinese culture won't make you understand the Chinese at all and lead you towards wrong perception. Learning Chinese at language classes full of other Filipinos also won't work.
Chinese dominates the whole South East Asia because Austronesian people are very unproductive and significantly less intelligent according to average IQ rankings based on racial background. On the other hands, the Westerners and other East Asians are much smarter, innovative and productive which makes the Chinese have less chances of dominating their economics.
I think I know what you are talking about. Kinda like doing the right thing or task without any specific instructions but based on observed cues. The Japanese and Koreans have that too.
AussiPino

Mulgrave, Australia

#18 Oct 23, 2011
I Ching wrote:
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Impossible.
You don't know the Chinese culture, language and proverbs. Filipinos have simple mind and can never understand how Chinese mind works and be trickery because Filipinos the do not know how to read between the lips. You need to be born as a Chinese or live among the Chinese during early childhood speaking Chinese language and proverbs like your own mother tongue.
Knowing only half of the Chinese culture won't make you understand the Chinese at all and lead you towards wrong perception. Learning Chinese at language classes full of other Filipinos also won't work.
Chinese dominates the whole South East Asia because Austronesian people are very unproductive and significantly less intelligent according to average IQ rankings based on racial background. On the other hands, the Westerners and other East Asians are much smarter, innovative and productive which makes the Chinese have less chances of dominating their economics.
I know what you mean that Austronesians do tend to be indolent when it comes to work and diligence. I have mentioned that before on another forum.

Well from my personal experience, I have lived and worked among Chinese-Filipinos. I have learned alot from them. I am aware of the Confucianism they practice. The question is, how do we disseminate this to the general public? I myself have distant Chinese ancestry but I am proud of my predominate Austronesian heritage. Austronesians just need to learn how to get aspects of Chinese and Western concepts, and mold it to their own advantage.

It's the same thing with Europe back during the Renaissance. They learned certain aspects of other civilizations such as the Persians, Arab cultures and North Africa. This is what Filipinos should do.

“CAUTION: I SPEAK MY MIND.”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#19 Oct 23, 2011
AussiPino wrote:
What are your thoughts?
Negative. No need to elaborate. Anyone can surf and read.

“CAUTION: I SPEAK MY MIND.”

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#20 Oct 23, 2011
pasig yankeeNY wrote:
fuxck the chinese and their ugly azz people hahaha, joke lang that red horse made me say it. I love chinese, everyone should own one ha
I own a Chinese chow.:-)
Seeing could be deceiving

Anonymous Proxy

#21 Oct 24, 2011
AussiPino wrote:
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Well from my personal experience, I have lived and worked among Chinese-Filipinos. I have learned alot from them. I am aware of the Confucianism they practice.

I myself have distant Chinese ancestry but I am proud of my predominate Austronesian heritage.
You learned a lot from the Chinese by having the wrong understanding. Sorry if I offended you.

Modern Chinese in China don't bother to practice those ancient teachings (Some of them treat their animal pets such as dogs better than their ageing mothers) and most oversea Chinese can't even read the original Confucian text. Chinese mentality are based on proverbs from ancient texts and some of them are against Confucian ethics such as the 36 Ji scripts. Chinese today emphasize personal benefits rather than making friend with those who serve no material benefits to them.

Having distant Chinese ancestry does not make you to be accepted as a Chinese by the Chinese society. And don't bring it up otherwise your Chinese friends would give a mockery gesture towards or behind you. In fact, all Austronesians have common root with the Chinese ancestors 30,000 years ago even before the Chinese race began to exist.

For your personal information, those who really understand the Chinese will always say "I can't understand Chinese people!!". Eventually these people are the sinologist expert themselves.

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