Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#94 Aug 16, 2013
Show me in the BIBLE where a mere man is called an Angel. Angels are supernatural beings and some have the job as messenger. But not all messengers are Angels obviously. Go ahead show a scripture where a mere man is called an Angel. I asked you this before and you ran away like a coward.
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberturd,
A messenger of God is called an angel!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#95 Aug 19, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
So you admit that Jesus lied when He said "I will be with you always" and that the gates of hell will never prevail? And you believe that Manalo was sent to clean up the lies that Jesus claimed?
Ozzy,

Our Lord Jesus Christ never lied!!! It is your misconception that the Bible is only made up of one verse, which is not true, and which makes you think that He lied!!! Christ, though He is now in heaven, can be with His faithfuls by sending the Holy Spirit!!!

The Holy Spirit is being sent by the Father and the Son:

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."

“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, jHe will testify of Me.(John 14:26; 15:26, NKJV)

The Holy Spirit does not speak on his own authority but according to the commandment of the Father or the Son who sent him:

"However, when He, othe Spirit of truth, has come, pHe will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." (John 16:13, NKJV)

Yes, the gates of hell or death will not prevail upon the members of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo), because, although they may die (temporary cessation of breath) they will be resurrected on Judgment Day to gain eternal life!!! Thus, the gates of hell or death will not prevail on them!!! Remember, that they are redeemed by the blood of Christ and are awaiting for His return!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#96 Aug 19, 2013
"Indeed, the founder or head of the Catholic Church is a rapist of animals and humans" - Elias Ibarra

Elias Ibarra calls Jesus a 'rapist of animals and humans'

According to PASUGO;

“Even secular history shows a direct time link between the Catholic Church and the Apostles, leading to the conclusion that the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”
[ Pasugo, July-August 1988 pp. 6]

"Ang Iglesia Katolika na sa pasimula ay siyang Iglesia ni Cristo."
(The Catholic Church in the beginning was the Church of Christ.)
[ PASUGO, Abril 1966, p. 46:]

INC acknowledges that 'The Catholic Church in the beginning was the Church of Christ'- and in the beginning, who founded the church of Christ, which is the Catholic Church according to Pasugo? JESUS.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#97 Aug 19, 2013
Early Christians called themselves Second Temple Jews, that is the first name they called themselves. Later they referred to themselves as Nazoreans and Followers of the Way. All of this is backed up with historical evidence. Manalo misread church of Christ a descriptor as Church of Christ a title. A common mistake for a poorly educated Barber.
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#98 Aug 19, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Show me in the BIBLE where a mere man is called an Angel. Angels are supernatural beings and some have the job as messenger. But not all messengers are Angels obviously. Go ahead show a scripture where a mere man is called an Angel. I asked you this before and you ran away like a coward.
<quoted text>
Liberturd,

I had posted the answer to your question several times already but still, I have to understand your very, very low I.Q.!!! Here are the listing of the verses for your easy reference:

"Angels. Besides this, which is the highest application of the word angel, we find the phrase used of any messengers of God such as prophets, Is. 42:19; Hag. 1:13; Mal. 3:1, the priests, Mal. 2:7, and the rulers of the Christian churches, Rev. 1:20."

Reference:(Smith, William, L.L.D. A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 40. USA: The John C. Winston Co., 1884.)

Improve your very, very low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#99 Aug 19, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
"Indeed, the founder or head of the Catholic Church is a rapist of animals and humans" - Elias Ibarra
Elias Ibarra calls Jesus a 'rapist of animals and humans'
According to PASUGO;
Iglesia Kato Na, Liko Pa,

The rapist mentioned who tinkered with humans and animals was a Roman Catholic Pope:

Pope Benedict IX (1032 to 1048)

Gaining power and wealth from an early age as a result of his family's ties to the church, Benedict IX essentially inherited the title of pope since he was the nephew of both Pope John XIX and Pope Benedict VIII. He was only 20 years old, but quickly developed a reputation as being "cruel and immoral," according to "The Rise of the Medieval World, 500 – 1300" (Greenwood Publishing Group, 2002).

In fact, in his third book of dialogues, Pope Victor III wrote of Benedict IX's "rapes, murders and other unspeakable acts. His life as a pope so vile, so foul, so execrable, that I shudder to think of it," according to "The Spirit."

Saint Peter Damian had similar things to say of Benedict IX, describing him as "feasting on immorality" and "a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest," who sponsored orgies and routinely partook in bestiality, according to "The Spirit." In his final act of corruption as pope, Benedict IX decided that he wanted to pursue marriage, so he sold his holy title to his godfather for 1,500 pounds (680 kilograms) of gold.

Our Lord Jesus Christ never founded the Roman Catholic Church but the Church of Christ!!! John Hus who was being followed by the reformists had also affirmed fhat the Church of Christ is the Church established by Christ:

"'And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.'The Gospel speaks here of the Church of Christ, its faith and its foundation and authority. The Church is referred to by the words' will build my Church...."

'"At sinasabi ko naman sa iyo, ikaw ay Pedro, at sa ibabaw ng batong ito ay itatayo ko ang Aking Iglesia, at ang mga pintuan ng impiyerno ay hindi makapananaig laban sa kanya. Ibibigay ko sa iyo ang mga susi sa kaharian ng langit, at anumang talian ninyo sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit at anumang kalagan ninyo sa lupa ay kakalagan sa langit'. Binabanggit ng Ebanghelyo rito ng tungkol sa Iglesia ni Cristo, ang kanyang pananampalataya at ang kanyang pundasyon at awtoridad. Ang Iglesia ay tinukoy ng mga salitang,'Itatayo ko ang aking Iglesia'."

Reference:[Oberman, Heiko A. Forerunners of the Reformation: The Shape of Late Medieval Thought, p.231. Translation by Paul L. Nyhus. USA: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1966.]

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#100 Aug 19, 2013
None of these passages call a mere man an Angel. Hurry up loser show us the scripture where a man is called an ANGEL.

Waiting Shaelyn hurry up now freak.
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberty,
I had posted the answer to your question several times already but still, I have to understand your very, very low I.Q.!!! Here are the listing of the verses for your easy reference:
"Angels. Besides this, which is the highest application of the word angel, we find the phrase used of any messengers of God such as prophets, Is. 42:19; Hag. 1:13; Mal. 3:1, the priests, Mal. 2:7,
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#101 Aug 19, 2013
[QUOTE who="Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan] According to PASUGO;
“Even secular history shows a direct time link between the Catholic Church and the Apostles, leading to the conclusion that the true Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.”
[/QUOTE]

Iglesia Kato Na, Liko Pa,

The statement that you had posted above is a Catholic claim but not that of the Iglesia ni Cristo!!! The Catholic Church claims ascendancy from the Apostles and the first-century Church of Christ!!! Yes, when the apostasy ensued when Christ ascended to heaven and when the apostles were already dead, the apostasy or turning away from the true faith ensued!!! The Christian Church turned away from pristine biblical teachings because of Roman State and Catholic persecutions!!! It became the Catholic Church and the name of Christ was removed!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Real Elias ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#102 Aug 19, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
None of these passages call a mere man an Angel. Hurry up loser show us the scripture where a man is called an ANGEL.
Waiting Shaelyn hurry up now freak.
<quoted text>
Liberturd,

I am not at beck and call!!! The verses of the Bible are already posted and showing that human beings can be called angels because of their task and not of their nature!!!

Improve your Tuskegee syphilitic I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#103 Aug 19, 2013
No that is not possible. Not one of those scriptures called the men Angels. Angels are supernatural being not mere men.

Manalo was a man and the bible never refers to a man as an Angel. Nowhere. never, ever, not even once and you know it you racist Cult freak. I will be sure to repost and link your racist comment for others to see to bring further disgust upon your cult.

So since you cannot provide a single scripture showing where a man was called a Angel you admit that INC preaches FALSE teachings. Interesting enough the Bible speaks about such people.

Read Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an ANGEL from HEAVEN should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

The fate of all who follow Manalo per the Bible.
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberty,
I am not at beck and call!!! The verses of the Bible are already posted and showing that human beings can be called angels because of their task and not of their nature!!!
Improve your Tuskegee syphilitic I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#104 Aug 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No that is not possible. Not one of those scriptures called the men Angels. Angels are supernatural being not mere men.
Manalo was a man and the bible never refers to a man as an Angel. Nowhere. never, ever, not even once and you know it you racist Cult freak. I will be sure to repost and link your racist comment for others to see to bring further disgust upon your cult.
So since you cannot provide a single scripture showing where a man was called a Angel you admit that INC preaches FALSE teachings. Interesting enough the Bible speaks about such people.
Read Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an ANGEL from HEAVEN should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
The fate of all who follow Manalo per the Bible.
<quoted text>
Liberturd,

I know that your vision is covered by your protruding lips!!! Angel refer to prophets, Levitical priests, and rulers of governments or head of states!!!

Those who are preaching without authority from God are to be cursed!!! Man should listen only to authorized preachers!!! Not from Catholic priests or Protestant ministers!!! For they are devoid of biblical testimonies and prophecies!!!

Your threats do not work!!! You talk so much about your Tuskegee syphilis!!! Improve your very, very low I.Q.!!!

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#106 Aug 22, 2013
Hmmmm I see Elias is still unable to provide even one scripture where a mere man is called an Angel. When a scripture makes INC look bad he wants to get into the literal time specific meaning of it yet INC liberally twists and adds to scriptures all the time for their crazy cult teachings.

No wonder they have shrunk to 4 million members and no new Chapels have been built in the US since the LA Chapel years ago. Even that one couldn't make up for the other INC chapels that closed in California and LV :))
israelNOTpinas

Quezon City, Philippines

#107 Aug 23, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Liberturd,
I am not at beck and call!!! The verses of the Bible are already posted and showing that human beings can be called angels because of their task and not of their nature!!!
Improve your Tuskegee syphilitic I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
You are Indeed a Brainwashed twister...

You called the Catholics and Protestants as Angels.
You called Felix Manalo as Angels.

In your Pasugo.

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

The Plural form of Let US make mankind are merely Angels...

What about Gabriel?
What About Michael?
What about Lucifer?

We are ALL Angels...

What an INC Cult?
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#108 Aug 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hmmmm I see Elias is still unable to provide even one scripture where a mere man is called an Angel. When a scripture makes INC look bad he wants to get into the literal time specific meaning of it yet INC liberally twists and adds to scriptures all the time for their crazy cult teachings.
No wonder they have shrunk to 4 million members and no new Chapels have been built in the US since the LA Chapel years ago. Even that one couldn't make up for the other INC chapels that closed in California and LV :))
Liberturd,

Prophets, Levitical priests, and Christian leaders are called angels or messengers!!! You had been answered several times but since you are defeated, you use your protruding lips to cover up the truth!!!

Constructed and purchased chapels of the Iglesia ni Cristo for 2013 are about to breach the 100 mark and these include those outside of the Philippines!!! No Iglesia ni Cristo chapel has been closed in california!!! You are lying!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#109 Aug 25, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
You are Indeed a Brainwashed twister...
You called the Catholics and Protestants as Angels.
You called Felix Manalo as Angels.
IgnoramusIsraelNOtpinas,

You are fabricating again!!! Where did I say that Catholics and Protestants are angels??? You are abnormally abnormal!!! Proceed to the mental hospital!!! May sayad ang utak mo!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#110 Aug 25, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
The Plural form of Let US make mankind are merely Angels...
What about Gabriel?
What About Michael?
What about Lucifer?
We are ALL Angels...
What an INC Cult?
IgnoramusIsraelNOtpinas,

Where did I say that mankind are angels??? Only those men who are appointed by God to perform certain task are called angels or messengers!!!

You cannot be an angel because you are of low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#111 Aug 25, 2013
Newsflash!!! Chapels constructed and purchased by the Iglesia ni Cristo for year 2013 are about to reach the 100 mark!!! I have in my list two grandiose and beautiful ones outside of the Philippines!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#113 Sep 2, 2013
Newsflash!!! Newsflash!!! Newsflash!!! Newsflash!!!

Iglesia ni Cristo's Construction and Engineering Department has done it again for it's contruction frenzy regarding gandiose and beautiful houses of worship to satisfy the spiritual needs of the members of the "other sheep" of Christ has again breached the one hundred mark although the year 2013 is far from over!!!

The eight were dedicated to the Almighty God this month in the Philippines while two were from the United States!!! No force and gossipmogering on earth can stop what God has gifted the true Church in these last days!!!

Re3al Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#114 Sep 2, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Several Protestant cults make their own interpretations of what Catholics and other churches do instead of listening to members of that actual church.
Elias has already admitted that in INC members will be expelled from the church of they call the police on a fellow member for committing a crime. Instead they are to take the issue to the minister and the minister decides if the police are called or not even in cases of child molestation.
here's a tidbit.
My sister is fellow school alumnus with a Female choir member in the manalo church. A sissy fellow Male congregation member of that Female choir member tried to start a confrontation, maybe even a fist fight, with that Female choir member. my first comment is, how more Gay can that sissy Male manalo church congregant get in trying to start a fist fight with a female. The Female choir member called 911 and the Police showed up on manalo church grounds to break up the fist fight. Second, their local minister named Rene (and his boss district minister who is some Fat WHite guy named Bob Pelan) kept the Police incident a secret from Eduardo Manalo so that Eduardo Manalo does not find out that Violence very commonly occurs on chapel grounds of iglesia ni cristo in chapel grounds. Incidentally, this local minister Rene later tried to start fist fights with his own fellow congregants on chapel grounds because this local minister knew that Bob Pelan does not tell Eduardo Manalo that the Police are frequently on iglesia ni cristo manalo chapel grounds and that the local arrests and Police Incidents are kept secrets from the ears of Eduardo Manalo who is very far away in Quezon City.

So the lesson of the story is, even if Police is called to arrest an iglesia ni cristo minister, the arrests are kept as secrets to not be known by Eduardo Manalo, and so there is NO expulsions because the Manalo church ministers do not ever want Eduardo Manalo to find out the Police are showing up on manalo church grounds due to violence occurring on their manalo church grounds. There is No expulsions if Police are called; these expulsion threats are just Scare tactics by the Bob Pelan and his thug subordinate manalo church ministers so that Eduardo Manalo does not really find out how more terrible the manalo church is in America.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#115 Nov 6, 2013
DougOut_Doug_MacArthur wrote:
<quoted text>
here's a tidbit.
My sister is fellow school alumnus with a Female choir member in the manalo church. A sissy fellow Male congregation member of that Female choir member tried to start a confrontation, maybe even a fist fight, with that Female choir member. my first comment is, how more Gay can that sissy Male manalo church congregant get in trying to start a fist fight with a female. The Female choir member called 911 and the Police showed up on manalo church grounds to break up the fist fight. Second, their local minister named Rene (and his boss district minister who is some Fat WHite guy named Bob Pelan) kept the Police incident a secret from Eduardo Manalo so that Eduardo Manalo does not find out that Violence very commonly occurs on chapel grounds of iglesia ni cristo in chapel grounds. Incidentally, this local minister Rene later tried to start fist fights with his own fellow congregants on chapel grounds because this local minister knew that Bob Pelan does not tell Eduardo Manalo that the Police are frequently on iglesia ni cristo manalo chapel grounds and that the local arrests and Police Incidents are kept secrets from the ears of Eduardo Manalo who is very far away in Quezon City.
So the lesson of the story is, even if Police is called to arrest an iglesia ni cristo minister, the arrests are kept as secrets to not be known by Eduardo Manalo, and so there is NO expulsions because the Manalo church ministers do not ever want Eduardo Manalo to find out the Police are showing up on manalo church grounds due to violence occurring on their manalo church grounds. There is No expulsions if Police are called; these expulsion threats are just Scare tactics by the Bob Pelan and his thug subordinate manalo church ministers so that Eduardo Manalo does not really find out how more terrible the manalo church is in America.
Dog,

Nice try!!!! No need for the police!!! We don't settle a problem with a fist fight and that is only done in the Catholic and Protestant cults!!!! The mere presence of a Church officer could stop it!!! No police is needed!!! For that is not the way we settle disputes!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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