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Nov 19, 2012
 
Can you not accept my thanks Mr. Elias? I got what I came for in the thread. But you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting. You lack an unimaginable amount of hindsight, insight and foresight. It's OK. The Church of Christ is filled with a lot of people like you. I thank and appreciate your witty responses and snares but they are not illuminating nor enlightening. As I have said, the INC has no solid theological backbone so its probable that members like you are spineless and leech your identity as a Church on other denominations. It is shadowed by a lot of inconsistencies - from your biblical citations and scholarly fabrications. If you can't see it. You may want to start looking for it.
You fanaticism, name calling and badmouthing is dangerous. You may want to work on that. Its a constructive criticism for you and your Church of Christ. You may also want to start acting like a christian - unless the christ-like or manalo-like attitude you show in this thread is what INC teaches during your pre-indoctrination rites. I hope its not too much for your ego. thank you. I hope we are both at peace with this.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
JMX wrote:
Can you not accept my thanks Mr. Elias? I got what I came for in the thread. But you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting. You lack an unimaginable amount of hindsight, insight and foresight. It's OK. The Church of Christ is filled with a lot of people like you. I thank and appreciate your witty responses and snares but they are not illuminating nor enlightening. As I have said, the INC has no solid theological backbone so its probable that members like you are spineless and leech your identity as a Church on other denominations. It is shadowed by a lot of inconsistencies - from your biblical citations and scholarly fabrications. If you can't see it. You may want to start looking for it.
You fanaticism, name calling and badmouthing is dangerous. You may want to work on that. Its a constructive criticism for you and your Church of Christ. You may also want to start acting like a christian - unless the christ-like or manalo-like attitude you show in this thread is what INC teaches during your pre-indoctrination rites. I hope its not too much for your ego. thank you. I hope we are both at peace with this.
JMX,

excellent post! In terms of diplomacy and word choice I agree much more to your posts than to many of my own. I felt that I had to get rude to someone who constantly attacks and accuses others. Still I tend to think that harsh words are the only words someone can understand who himself is not sparing with such.
Anyone who dishes it out must also be able to take it.

But also contentually I agree to your comment!

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Nov 19, 2012
 
Irony, like the truth, is lost on people like Elias (Rizalino).

Consider how often he posts something supposedly written by a Catholic lay person or clergy member and purports that it speaks for all of Catholicism. I have met a few INC members over the years and almost all lived by the message of Jesus - be humble, considerate and loving. For someone who claims to belong to the Church of Christ, he failed to learn those basic principles.

It won't be long before he denies ever having maligned another person of differing faith. LOL!
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Nov 19, 2012
 
@dog spelled backwards
Thanks! There is much to learn. I believe we are all after what is at the core of INC - who they are in the world and what they are from within.
Germany has produced a lot of great thinkers! Cheers!
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#1231
Nov 19, 2012
 
dog spelled backwards wrote:
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Very treacherous, hatemonger, that you incessantly need to point at others.
Just in case that you might have forgotten: this thread is about your INC-Club-Company! No need to remind others of all the misconducts of the Roman Catholics. It would spare you a lot of breath if you were to recite their good deeds. But this would be another thread!
This one is about your ridiculous club. It is getting much more attention than what it definetly deserves. Be that as it may!
Instead you keep on distracting the attention from the hollowness of your club. One evidence of incapacity after the other...
Your jokes are priceless!
Dog Behavior,

There is no question that the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) is getting a very good attention and positive impressions all over the world!!!Here's what Dr. Reed of the University of California, in the US, in his work published in 1990 said:

" ... the INC has been trabsformed into the most dynamic and powerful indigenous belief system in the Philippines. Growing at a phenomenal rate ... this upstart community of faith may have recently surpassed Islam as the nations's second largest religion.... Indeed the INC ... may be the most successful form of 'Indigenous Christianity emanating from the Third World in this century."

Reference:[ Reed, Robert R., ed. Patterns of Migration in Southeast Asia, Berkeley, CA: Centers for South and Southeast Asia Studies, 1990, pp. 154-155]

In 2001, Dr. Robert Reed updated on the Iglesia Ni Cristo, describing its spread and progress worldwide as "from an obscure Philippine faith to a global belief system." Its strides, even in the US, "has bee nothing less than spectacular".

Reference:(Jounal of the Humanities and School Sciences of Southeast Asia and Ocenia, 2001.)

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#1232
Nov 19, 2012
 
JMX wrote:
Can you not accept my thanks Mr. Elias? I got what I came for in the thread. But you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found wanting. You lack an unimaginable amount of hindsight, insight and foresight. It's OK. The Church of Christ is filled with a lot of people like you. I thank and appreciate your witty responses and snares but they are not illuminating nor enlightening. As I have said, the INC has no solid theological backbone so its probable that members like you are spineless and leech your identity as a Church on other denominations. It is shadowed by a lot of inconsistencies - from your biblical citations and scholarly fabrications. If you can't see it. You may want to start looking for it.
You fanaticism, name calling and badmouthing is dangerous. You may want to work on that. Its a constructive criticism for you and your Church of Christ. You may also want to start acting like a christian - unless the christ-like or manalo-like attitude you show in this thread is what INC teaches during your pre-indoctrination rites. I hope its not too much for your ego. thank you. I hope we are both at peace with this.
JMX,

You are again into assumptions!!! I already knew your agenda beforehand and just right after you had made your first posting!!! You are accusing me of many things but your post above clearly indicate the barbarism and the mental warps that you have!!!

You are hurting and I am smiling!!! Your fabrications does not work!!! You can't even reveal the religion that you have and which is warping your brain!!! It is very funny that you are scampering away this early!!!

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#1233
Nov 19, 2012
 
JMX wrote:
@dog spelled backwards
Thanks! There is much to learn. I believe we are all after what is at the core of INC - who they are in the world and what they are from within.
Germany has produced a lot of great thinkers! Cheers!
JMX,

Indeed, Germany has produced great killing machines and one of them was Hitler who had his "holocaust" copied from the Roman Catholic Inquisition and Crusades according to Anthony Rhodes!!! Take notice of his own version of the cross, the swastika, and copied from the Roman Catholic and Protestant's cross!!! All of these versions were used during murders and landgrabbing!!!

Here's the religions and some of the countries who were killing each other during the time of Hitler:

" ... In the north the Protestants were in control---Lutheran churches in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, the northern and central states of Germany; Calvinists or Reformed churches in Scotland, the Netherlands, Hesse, the Palatinate, and a few of the western German states. In the south the Catholics were in control---Spain, Italy, Austria, Bavaria, and elsewhere in southern Germany."

Reference:[Owen Chadwick, The Reformation, p.366]

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Nov 19, 2012
 
dog spelled backwards wrote:
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JMX,
excellent post! In terms of diplomacy and word choice I agree much more to your posts than to many of my own. I felt that I had to get rude to someone who constantly attacks and accuses others. Still I tend to think that harsh words are the only words someone can understand who himself is not sparing with such.
Anyone who dishes it out must also be able to take it.
But also contentually I agree to your comment!
Dog Behavior,

You have been a dog ever since!!! There is no good manners and right conduct in you!!! Just examine your log-on I.D. if that does not describe your mental warps!!!

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#1235
Nov 19, 2012
 
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
Irony, like the truth, is lost on people like Elias (Rizalino).
Consider how often he posts something supposedly written by a Catholic lay person or clergy member and purports that it speaks for all of Catholicism. I have met a few INC members over the years and almost all lived by the message of Jesus - be humble, considerate and loving. For someone who claims to belong to the Church of Christ, he failed to learn those basic principles.
It won't be long before he denies ever having maligned another person of differing faith. LOL!
Base Gardiner,

You mean that Catholic authorities differ in opinions??? Then, that proves their being a false religion!!! The true religion which is the Iglesia ni Cristo is united in thoughts!!!

Thank you for the nice compliment you gave to the Iglesia ni Crsito which you had long denied through twisting of facts!!! Exposing the truth is not maligning but what you constantly did is maligning!!! Stop pretending!!!



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Nov 19, 2012
 
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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JMX,
Indeed, Germany has produced great killing machines and one of them was Hitler who had his "holocaust" copied from the Roman Catholic Inquisition and Crusades according to Anthony Rhodes!!! Take notice of his own version of the cross, the swastika, and copied from the Roman Catholic and Protestant's cross!!! All of these versions were used during murders and landgrabbing!!!
Here's the religions and some of the countries who were killing each other during the time of Hitler:
" ... In the north the Protestants were in control---Lutheran churches in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, the northern and central states of Germany; Calvinists or Reformed churches in Scotland, the Netherlands, Hesse, the Palatinate, and a few of the western German states. In the south the Catholics were in control---Spain, Italy, Austria, Bavaria, and elsewhere in southern Germany."
Reference:[Owen Chadwick, The Reformation, p.366]
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Hatemonger and club-member,
no need to prove your limited mental capacity!
I know.
And I think most other readers here know!
Not all of us were meant to shine. So, when using matches, be sure to lit them at the right end!
And didn´t I advice you before to make a handstand because of your affliction of negative phototropism! Indisputably your farts have more thoughtfulness than most what comes out of your mouth!
The story of the swastika goes back to about 600o years and more. The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit and means as much as hail, blessing, good and was widespread among the pre-Aryan civilisations of the Indus River valley. It was a symbol for salvation and a mojo. The token promises fertility, health and a long life.
In Hinduism it can often be found at temples and on idols.
For the Jainas it is a symbol of divine power and the four stages of existence.
In Buddhism it counts as one of the eight signs of happyness and often appears in Buddha´s footprint.
Also in other cultures and countries it is spread; e.g. China, Japan and in Islamic countries, in the pre-Columbian America and scattered in Africa and Polynesia - to name some.
The origin is definetly not Christian! And also it is no variation of the Christian cross.
Your blind anger is choleric!
Calm down and stop making yourself absurd!
You live on half-truths.
JMX is absolutely right when he says that Germany has produced a lot of great thinkers - and this is sovereign. In Germany and its surrounding countries like France, England, Scandinavia and others, as well as in the New World, as well as in ancient China -to name a few- most of the things you use or know today have their origin. You surely take it for granted.
How about the Philippines?
There must be more than a scammy club named INC-Company.
I mean something good and useful.
Put it in the right way.
I see that you didn´t do your homeworks! You only keep on looking for all kinds of dubious sources to support your treacherous propaganda and world view. You should know that you can learn more from things which question your point of view!
But you decided to stay dull and not read that book, written by Edwin Black, an American Jew, son of Jewish parents who survived the holocaust and emmigrated to the United States.
"The Transfer Agreement - The Dramatic Story Of The Pact Between The Third Reich And Jewish Palestine", Carrol and Graff Publishers, Inc., New York, 1984
And mark: this wasn´t written by a sympathizer of the Nazis!
It only won´t fit into your weird sights.
You are the kind of person who turns on the electrical current and then curse the power supplier.
Your unintended ludicrousness is unpayable!
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Frankly speaking, Jesus Himself did not gave a name of His Church. Walang sinabi si Kristo na ito ang pangalan ng kanyang Iglesiya. Wala...Ginamit lang ang pangalan ni Kristo para gawing negosyo para yumaman ang mga Manalo...tsk tsk tsk.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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JMX,
Indeed, Germany has produced great killing machines and one of them was Hitler who had his "holocaust" copied from the Roman Catholic Inquisition and Crusades according to Anthony Rhodes!!! Take notice of his own version of the cross, the swastika, and copied from the Roman Catholic and Protestant's cross!!! All of these versions were used during murders and landgrabbing!!!
Here's the religions and some of the countries who were killing each other during the time of Hitler:
" ... In the north the Protestants were in control---Lutheran churches in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, the northern and central states of Germany; Calvinists or Reformed churches in Scotland, the Netherlands, Hesse, the Palatinate, and a few of the western German states. In the south the Catholics were in control---Spain, Italy, Austria, Bavaria, and elsewhere in southern Germany."
Reference:[Owen Chadwick, The Reformation, p.366]
Real Elias Ibarra
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Hatemonger and club-member,

no need to prove your limited mental capacity!
I know.
And I think most other readers here know.

Not all of us were meant to shine. So, when using matches, be sure to lit them at the right end!
And didn´t I advice you before to make a handstand because of your affliction of negative phototropism! Indisputably your farts have more thoughtfulness than most what comes out of your mouth!

The story of the swastika goes back to about 6000 years and more.
The word swastika derives from the Sanskrit and means as much as hail, blessing, good and was widespread among the pre-Aryan civilisations of the Indus River valley. It was a symbol for salvation and a mojo. The token promises fertility, health and a long life.
In Hinduism it can often be found at temples and on idols.
For the Jainas it is a symbol of divine power and the four stages of existence.
In Buddhism it counts as one of the eight signs of happyness and often appears in Buddha´s footprint.
Also in other cultures and countries it is spread; e.g. China, Japan and the Islamic countries, in the pre-Columbian America and scattered in Africa and Polynesia - to name some.
The origin is definetly not Christian! And also it is no variation of the Christian cross.

Your blind anger is choleric!
Calm down and stop making yourself absurd!
You live on half-truths.

JMX is absolutely right when he says that Germany has produced a lot of great thinkers - and this is sovereign. In Germany and its surrounding countries like France, England, Scandinavia and others, as well as in the New World, as well as in ancient China -to name a few- most of the things you use or know today have their origin. You surely take it for granted.
How about the Philippines?
There must be more than a scammy club named INC-Company.
I mean something good and useful.
Put it in the right way.

I see that you didn´t do your homeworks! You only keep on looking for all kinds of dubious sources to support your treacherous propaganda and world view. You should know that you can learn more from things which question your point of view!
But you decided to stay dull and not read that book, written by Edwin Black, an American Jew, son of Jewish parents who survived the holocaust and emmigrated to the United States.
"The Transfer Agreement - The Dramatic Story Of The Pact Between The Third Reich And The Jewish Palestine", Carrol and Graff Publishers, Inc., New York, 1984
And mark: this wasn´t written by a sympathizer of the Nazis!
It only won´t fit into your weird sights.
You are the kind of person who turns on the electrical current and then curse the power supplier.
Your unintended ludicrousness is unpayable!
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Nov 19, 2012
 
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Dog Behavior,
You have been a dog ever since!!! There is no good manners and right conduct in you!!! Just examine your log-on I.D. if that does not describe your mental warps!!!
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Hatemonger,

what one shouts into the woods, that is what will echo back!

Now, how to regard somebody who is surprised by his own echoes?
Can we agree on "clever tot"?

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Nov 19, 2012
 
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Base Gardiner,
You mean that Catholic authorities differ in opinions??? Then, that proves their being a false religion!!! The true religion which is the Iglesia ni Cristo is united in thoughts!!!
Thank you for the nice compliment you gave to the Iglesia ni Crsito which you had long denied through twisting of facts!!! Exposing the truth is not maligning but what you constantly did is maligning!!! Stop pretending!!!
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Yaaawwwnnn.

Yes, stooge, Catholic authorities differ on opinions. The very definition of the word indicates that it is a personal belief. You incorrectly assumed (you have a tendency to do that) Catholic authorities differ on doctrine.

Your INC cult controls your ability to freely reason, investigate and speculate. That is really scary. Religion is a living thing. It evolves. I know, that word scares you.

Almost every religion has evolved. Even your cult has changed policy since its inception. Humanity is a fluid vehicle and spirituality cannot remain stagnant if it seeks to accomodate the needs of society. Consider the change in Catholic mass language. For quite a while, the mass was done in Latin. Roughly forty years ago, the Vatican decided that in order to help communicate the message of their svaior, it was important to adapt the local language of their congregants. Many were outraged at the change while others embraced it. Free thinking is tolerated within that faith.

Even today, some Catholic priests in impoverished areas break with Vatican policy. Their free thinking does not change dogma and doctrine, though.

Once again, you display your contempt for faiths other than your own, clueless cult. While you may convince yourself that your posts are not offensive to varied religions, no one else is fooled. Your history of hijacking threads that have nothing to do with religion is especially apparent.

You are a liar of teh worst kind. You will rot in hell for it, stooge.
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Nov 19, 2012
 
Elias, my intention was for you to present a constructive/ systematic belief practiced by the INC. There were more than a lot of opportunities that you may have re-examined your belief and fanaticism in this thread and presented it worthy of intellectual discourse. But you insist on quoting similar sources, attack other religions and your attitude is getting much much worse. By hindsight, you did no more than to compare and berate other religions. Have you said anything what makes INC a considerable religious path? NO. On insight, that is the limit of your skills. Did your sources expand more scholarly from the start of the thread up to now? NO. With foresight, there is nothing else to expect from you nor INC. What else is there to know about INC? NONE. You have exhausted the limits of your capacity and the dynamism of your church's belief that's why your responses are constantly recurring. I have simply stated that you have NO working theology. Your manipulation of verses, various selection of biblical versions, cooked up "scholarly" sources, the questionable identity and "commissioning" of your "messenger", your indignant behaviour towards other religions only proves my statement is correct. The church of christ is plagued by their own inconsistencies born out fabrication of scripture resulting in a lack of systematic theology. Your malignant intentions of other religions compensate for that lack since you do not have your own. That is my conclusion. If I have offended you, that's the nature of truth.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
JMX wrote:
Elias, my intention was for you to present a constructive/ systematic belief practiced by the INC. There were more than a lot of opportunities that you may have re-examined your belief and fanaticism in this thread and presented it worthy of intellectual discourse. But you insist on quoting similar sources, attack other religions and your attitude is getting much much worse. By hindsight, you did no more than to compare and berate other religions. Have you said anything what makes INC a considerable religious path? NO. On insight, that is the limit of your skills. Did your sources expand more scholarly from the start of the thread up to now? NO. With foresight, there is nothing else to expect from you nor INC. What else is there to know about INC? NONE. You have exhausted the limits of your capacity and the dynamism of your church's belief that's why your responses are constantly recurring. I have simply stated that you have NO working theology. Your manipulation of verses, various selection of biblical versions, cooked up "scholarly" sources, the questionable identity and "commissioning" of your "messenger", your indignant behaviour towards other religions only proves my statement is correct. The church of christ is plagued by their own inconsistencies born out fabrication of scripture resulting in a lack of systematic theology. Your malignant intentions of other religions compensate for that lack since you do not have your own. That is my conclusion. If I have offended you, that's the nature of truth.
JMX,

again 10 out of 10 points!
Your comments are a pleasure to my eyes!
Only I am afraid of that the person to whom your words concern will confuse politeness and style with weakness and loss.
Funny though!

True words are not nice words
and nice words are not true words
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Once again, we return to the base premise of his cult - what evidence exists that Felix actually communicated with God? I have asked this question of Rizalino (his real name) and have yet to see him identify a single fact that supports his belief. Merely quoting a verse from the book of Isaiah (incorrectly, by the way), is not enough. Hundreds of men and women have claimed that they are the being mentioned in that verse. Even today, zealots around the globe purport to be the last messenger. Heck, Felix made that claim after Joseph Smith said he was!

So it remains, how can the INC be the only true church when even its most ardent supporters cannot identify this base ideological premise?
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Once again, we return to the base premise of his cult - what evidence exists that Felix actually communicated with God? I have asked this question of Rizalino (his real name) and have yet to see him identify a single fact that supports his belief. Merely quoting a verse from the book of Isaiah (incorrectly, by the way), is not enough. Hundreds of men and women have claimed that they are the being mentioned in that verse. Even today, zealots around the globe purport to be the last messenger. Heck, Felix made that claim after Joseph Smith said he was!
So it remains, how can the INC be the only true church when even its most ardent supporters cannot identify this base ideological premise?
The ideological premises of the INC-Club are like the following logic:

Aristotle has 2 ears.
A donkey has 2 ears.
Aristotle is a donkey.
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#1245
Nov 21, 2012
 
Transformer12 wrote:
Frankly speaking, Jesus Himself did not gave a name of His Church. Walang sinabi si Kristo na ito ang pangalan ng kanyang Iglesiya. Wala...Ginamit lang ang pangalan ni Kristo para gawing negosyo para yumaman ang mga Manalo...tsk tsk tsk.
Transformer 12,

Jesus Christ said "My church." The pronoun "my" is an expression of ownership!!! He owns the "Church of Christ" which He established and purchased with His blood!!!

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dog spelled backwards wrote:
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The ideological premises of the INC-Club are like the following logic:
Aristotle has 2 ears.
A donkey has 2 ears.
Aristotle is a donkey.
Dog behavior,

Dog behavior has a tail.
A dog has a tail.
Dog behavior is a dog.

Thank you for admitting!!! You make me laugh.

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