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scott h

Sacramento, CA

#1 May 22, 2012
Dear Elias, since you have your Instant Message turned off I feel I must post in an open forum. I can not speak for others who utilize this forum, but speaking for myself. I do recommend that in posts regarding your beliefs you use your own words in as few words as possible. By copying and pasting (I don't know if anyone can type as fast as you post lol)what appears to be entire sermons or articles, I believe you loose most forum participants. I am willing to wager that most just read the fisrt sentance then scroll to the ending, or down to one of the insulting replies.

This is really not ment to be critisism or a "flame" but a forum member who wishes to carry on a discussion about issues with out being preached to. I REALLY believe that if you use your own words it will be more effective. People might not be swayed to your belief system, but they will be willing to discuss them. Just my thoughts.

Respectfully

Scott
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#2 May 24, 2012
Dear Scott,

I understand how you feel and do sympathize and emphathize with you!!! If things would only be just between the two of us, then, it would have been much easier!!! But things just did not turn out that way!!! I have to adjust to the very character of my audience since the format of Topix allows almost anyone to post even garbage!!!

People have had accused me of being combative but the matter is far from the truth!!! I just defend and is not one to murk the water first!!! It was only in year 2005 that I started blogging because I noticed that too much false fabrications were launched against the true Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo)!!! I was left with no recourse but to correct the false propaganda hurled against the Church ever since Her humble beginnings in 1914!!!

I admit that I am using paste and post but it is with a purpose!!! It is because some resort to the same repetitive innuendos, brickbats, and scuttlebutts!!! And that is why I had the answers prepared and saved in my document files for that woulld save time and effort when I have to type and retype the same kind of response!!! But believe me, I spent lots of time and efforts to have these prepared including my references which I use most of the time to show to the public that the Iglesia Ni Cristo is not alone in espousing such ideas or beliefs!!! These references serve as second opinions and fortify our arguments and not like others who open their mouths without the support of others and therefore could be easily construed as merely stating heresays!!!

Respectfully yours,

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#3 May 25, 2012
scott h wrote:
Dear Elias, since you have your Instant Message turned off I feel I must post in an open forum. I can not speak for others who utilize this forum, but speaking for myself. I do recommend that in posts regarding your beliefs you use your own words in as few words as possible. By copying and pasting (I don't know if anyone can type as fast as you post lol)what appears to be entire sermons or articles, I believe you loose most forum participants. I am willing to wager that most just read the fisrt sentance then scroll to the ending, or down to one of the insulting replies.
This is really not ment to be critisism or a "flame" but a forum member who wishes to carry on a discussion about issues with out being preached to. I REALLY believe that if you use your own words it will be more effective. People might not be swayed to your belief system, but they will be willing to discuss them. Just my thoughts.
Respectfully
Scott
So you noticed that Elias is really a liar? Well its obvious that he only copy and paste this articles from other websites just to divert attention about the truth of Iglesia ni Manalo Cult
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#4 May 25, 2012
iglesianikalokohan wrote:
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So you noticed that Elias is really a liar? Well its obvious that he only copy and paste this articles from other websites just to divert attention about the truth of Iglesia ni Manalo Cult
Vanessa Pudpodwetpo,

References are posted as is!!! It supports the authenticity of the Iglesia Ni Cristo and not like yours which are not supported by second opinions!!! Lies such as yours cannot win and prevail against facts presented by the true Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo)!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5 May 26, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Vanessa Pudpodwetpo,
References are posted as is!!! It supports the authenticity of the Iglesia Ni Cristo and not like yours which are not supported by second opinions!!! Lies such as yours cannot win and prevail against facts presented by the true Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo)!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
So you noticed that you Elias is really a liar? Well its obvious that you only copy and paste this articles from other websites just to divert attention about the truth of Iglesia ni Manalo Cult
Equalizer

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#6 May 27, 2012
iglesianikalokohan wrote:
<quoted text>
So you noticed that you Elias is really a liar? Well its obvious that you only copy and paste this articles from other websites just to divert attention about the truth of Iglesia ni Manalo Cult
... Vanessang panggabi... Iglesia Ni Sorianong Bading ... hahahaha

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#7 May 28, 2012
Hahaha Elias ibarra sumasamba sa santo nagpapanggap na Iglesia kuno pero isa palang bading na pinatalsik sa Iglesia ni manalo
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#8 May 28, 2012
iglesianikalokohan wrote:
Hahaha Elias ibarra sumasamba sa santo nagpapanggap na Iglesia kuno pero isa palang bading na pinatalsik sa Iglesia ni manalo
Vanessa Almoranas,

Sorry ka na lang!!! Hindi ako pumapatol sa pilantik ng iyong mga daliri!!! My rating is AK (Atsay Killer)!!! I am used to the most beautiful of creations whom I respect!!! It can't be you who cannot even figure out which way to go!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#9 May 28, 2012
iglesianikalokohan wrote:
Hahaha Elias ibarra sumasamba sa santo nagpapanggap na Iglesia kuno pero isa palang bading na pinatalsik sa Iglesia ni manalo
Vanessa of the Wee Hours of the Night,

Alam ko galit ka na dahil walang pumapansin sa mga paghahabol mo sa mga lalake!!! Kahit anong mangyayari ay hindi maisakatuparan ang masama mong nasa sa kapuwa lalake!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#10 May 29, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Vanessa Almoranas,
Sorry ka na lang!!! Hindi ako pumapatol sa pilantik ng iyong mga daliri!!! My rating is AK (Atsay Killer)!!! I am used to the most beautiful of creations whom I respect!!! It can't be you who cannot even figure out which way to go!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
You were correct again Elias words expressed how Gay you are. Only Iglesia ni Manalo will accept you because you were like a dog that barks at night hahaha. See how you as a member of Iglesia ni Manalo cult were tagged as uto uto by other religion? Because obviously Iglesia ni Manalo members cannot decide for themselves.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#11 May 30, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Vanessa Almoranas,
Sorry ka na lang!!! Hindi ako pumapatol sa pilantik ng iyong mga daliri!!! My rating is AK (Atsay Killer)!!! I am used to the most beautiful of creations whom I respect!!! It can't be you who cannot even figure out which way to go!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
You were right Equalizer aka Elias the Gay your the"LOSER" see how you reacted in all our post? Its is because you were "uto uto" as Manalo treated you. If Manalo says Elias jump you will jump. If he says quiet you will be quiet. Where is your brain Elias? I think all members of Iglesia ni Manalo cult were treated by Manalo like dog.
scott h

South Gate, CA

#12 May 30, 2012
As normal, these trains devolve into name calling and inuendo. I wish people could carry on a civilized conversation, and just "aggree to disaggree" if someone believes differently.

Elias, I truley believe that more people would understand what point you are trying to get across if you use your OWN words and not copy and paste. Feelings and words from the heart are worth more than words are others when carrying on a conversaiton.
FairIsFair

Irvine, CA

#13 May 31, 2012
Mr. ELIASIBARRA has the RIGHT to speak his mind on this or any forum. Yes, I don't agree with many of his views, but his right to exercise freedom of speech, which the Philippines is known to embrace, may be wrong to certain individuals with different perspective.

This is the advantage of being from the Philippines despite what critics say about the country.

Let it be known, this is a stark reminder of how Filipinos and Americans take "freedom of speech" for granted. This isn't Iran, Iraq or China!

If it were so, a forum specifically targeting Mr. Ibarra would not exist.

Thank you!
Topeng Asero

Chicago, IL

#14 May 31, 2012
FairIsFair wrote:
Mr. ELIASIBARRA has the RIGHT to speak his mind on this or any forum. Yes, I don't agree with many of his views, but his right to exercise freedom of speech, which the Philippines is known to embrace, may be wrong to certain individuals with different perspective.
This is the advantage of being from the Philippines despite what critics say about the country.
Let it be known, this is a stark reminder of how Filipinos and Americans take "freedom of speech" for granted. This isn't Iran, Iraq or China!
If it were so, a forum specifically targeting Mr. Ibarra would not exist.
Thank you!
uh people are just giving him advice on how to better communicate what he wants to say. go back to the 1st message and read what scott h wrote. he didn't say elias should stop.

i myself find it tiring to see all his long posts. i fail to see the whole point. i mean who's going to read them in their entirety? besides, debates concerning religions are very rarely fruitful.
FairIsFair

Torrance, CA

#15 May 31, 2012
Topeng Asero wrote:
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uh people are just giving him advice on how to better communicate what he wants to say. go back to the 1st message and read what scott h wrote. he didn't say elias should stop.
i myself find it tiring to see all his long posts. i fail to see the whole point. i mean who's going to read them in their entirety? besides, debates concerning religions are very rarely fruitful.
My bad Topeng Asero...you have every right to voice your opinion too. I guess the temporary solution is not to read his comments. Not just Mr. Elias, but I conclude not to read long long posts of others myself. However, I thought one was discouraging Mr. Ibarra "not" to post...Again, I apologize...

You have to admit, those who spar with Elias have interesting and spirited dialogue. Very entertaining sometimes.
Mamasita

Victorville, CA

#16 May 31, 2012
scott h wrote:
Dear Elias, since you have your Instant Message turned off I feel I must post in an open forum. I can not speak for others who utilize this forum, but speaking for myself. I do recommend that in posts regarding your beliefs you use your own words in as few words as possible. By copying and pasting (I don't know if anyone can type as fast as you post lol)what appears to be entire sermons or articles, I believe you loose most forum participants. I am willing to wager that most just read the fisrt sentance then scroll to the ending, or down to one of the insulting replies.
This is really not ment to be critisism or a "flame" but a forum member who wishes to carry on a discussion about issues with out being preached to. I REALLY believe that if you use your own words it will be more effective. People might not be swayed to your belief system, but they will be willing to discuss them. Just my thoughts.
Respectfully
Scott
Scott: If you don't like other people post, My advice for you is, Don't read it or answer it. Just ignore it. Period.
Gerald

Makati, Philippines

#17 May 31, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Vanessa Pudpodwetpo,
References are posted as is!!! It supports the authenticity of the Iglesia Ni Cristo and not like yours which are not supported by second opinions!!! Lies such as yours cannot win and prevail against facts presented by the true Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo)!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
EI. I am not a member of cults like Iglesia ni Manalo, Dating Daan ni Soriano nor a member of any christendom.

But I can show and prove from the Bible that your Iglesia ni Manalo church is also a FALSE CHURCH.

Take note what I said, I can prove it "from the Bible".
Gerald

Makati, Philippines

#19 Jun 1, 2012
EI. Also it seems that you are proud that your Iglesia ni Manalo church is taking part in politics.

Did Jesus and his followers and the early christians take part in politics?

Instead what did Jesus said regarding his desciples at John 17:16, "they are no part of the world just as I am no part of the world."

Is politics part of Satan's world? Definitely!
So if you claim that your religion is the true religion, think again. It should be no part of the world including dirty politics.
scott h

South Gate, CA

#20 Jun 1, 2012
Scott: If you don't like other people post, My advice for you is, Don't read it or answer it. Just ignore it. Period.

Mamasita, I did not say that i did not like Mr. Ibarra's posts, on the contrary I find some of what he posts interesting and thought provoking. I was merely expressing MY opinion that if his posts were a bit shorter, did not include as many copy/paste quotes from others and expressed his point of view in a more concise and abbreviated manner, the personal attacks upon him and his church might lessen in intensity.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#21 Jun 1, 2012
Gerald wrote:
<quoted text>
EI. I am not a member of cults like Iglesia ni Manalo, Dating Daan ni Soriano nor a member of any christendom.
But I can show and prove from the Bible that your Iglesia ni Manalo church is also a FALSE CHURCH.
Take note what I said, I can prove it "from the Bible".
Gerald,

I am waiting for your grandstanding to have effect!!! I am daring you!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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