The Decaying And Dilapidated Churches of Catholicism and Protestantism

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ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#1 May 5, 2013
NEWSFLASH!!! NEWSFLASH!!! NEWSFLASH!!! NEWSFLASH!!! NEWSFLASH!!!

These spurious religions listed below are undergoing the pains of the "Great Religious Recession"!!! Their churches are in total decay and dilapidated:

Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo).

"For centuries every Philippine city and town has been dominated by its Roman Catholic cathedrals built and drafted labor on donated ground. But many of these are now old and dilapidated. Iglesia ni Cristo cathedral chapels now rival these ancient buildings in size and surpass them in beauty. Iglesia members still number only a minority of the population, but their buildings dominate many sky lines.”

Reference:(Iglesia ni Cristo: A Study In Independent Church Dynamics, p. 180)

“How is it that the INC has so many palatial-churches and we see them all over the country, while ours… well, sometimes we can't even tell UCCP churches from dilapidated, wooden residential houses.”

"Worse, when we try to find models for church growth, models for church management, models for church planning, we could hardly look at our own, but turn our eyes elsewhere--to the INC."
"Perhaps, there is something about the INC,... that we are missing. Could it be that their leaders and more important, their members believe--and more than just believing, live out their faith?"

Reference: Bodegon, Joel L. The Isaiah Paradigm: Recapturing the Role of Laity, p.116)

WATCH OUT FOR THE COMING "COLOSSAL RACKETS" OF THE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS DURING THHIS NATIONAL ELECTION!!! DRIVE THEM AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES!!!

WORKINGMEN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!!! PEASANTS AND PROFESSIONALS UNITE!!! SMASH TO IGNOMINY AND DEFEAT THE EVILS OF THESE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#2 May 5, 2013
Where is the money collected during the officiating of Masses for the dead??? The landgrabbings??? Why are the Protestants also having dilapidated chapels??? Where are the tithes you scams of the earth???

Learn from the Iglesia ni Cristo:

“While in the past the Catholic churches dominated the skyline in large population centers, now the huge Cathedral chapels of the Iglesia ni Cristo have risen to challenge, so to speak, the dominance of the Catholic churches.

Architecturally well-designed, solidity built, painted, with manicured lawns and always looking clean, they dramatically contrast with the ancient, still strong but drab-looking Catholic Churches.”

Reference:(Manila: History, People And Culture, p.93)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#3 May 5, 2013
“One of the reasons the Iglesia ni Cristo has caught the attention of so many people is the rapid rise all over the archipelago of its beautiful and grand houses of worship.

Characterized by simple, elegant lines and spires seemingly reaching for the heavens, these structures manifest the Church’s dedication to building edifices that would serve to bring glory to God. The Iglesia ni Cristo has vigorously pursued its construction program. So far, it has constructed close to 5000 houses of worship all over the country, with close to 200 others abroad.

Because of their number and distinct architectural style, these houses of worship have dramatically changed the nation’s landscape…”

Reference:(The Iglesia ni Cristo in the 20th Century, Philippine Free Press: 1999-2000 The Philippine Century, p. 214)

All
Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) must improve thier low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#4 May 5, 2013
“In any provincial landscape, the most visible landmark is inevitably the towering spires of the Iglesia ni Cristo church.”

Reference:(The INC Now, Philippine Panorama, p. 30)

No wonder that the celibate priests of the Catholic Church and the pseudo-preaching Protestant ministers are into gossipmongering frenzy!!! It is an expresssion of jealousy and envy!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#5 May 5, 2013

“… the church’s most indelible imprint is in the form of unique and stately religious buildings.”

Reference:(The Iglesia ni Cristo 1914-2000: From Obscure Philippine Faith To Global Belief System, Bijdragen, p. 580)

Don't not make a mistake of imputing the statement to the Catholic and Protestant churches!!! For what is being described at are the grandiiose and beautiful Iglesia ni Cristo chapels!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#7 May 5, 2013
If you look at the Protestant chapels, you would be able to conclude that these are like women sick with jaundice!!!

And if you look at the Roman Catholic churches, you would be able to discern that these are the habitations of Count Dracula whom faithfuls of the said spurious religion patterned their blood-eating fervor!!!

Time will come that Catholic faithfuls will watch the menstruation of a cow or a horse, and then, collect the drippings and then cook the same into blood stew just to satisfy their appetite for blood!!!

Warning!!! Blood-eating is a biblical prohibition!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#8 May 5, 2013
“In terms of buildings, there can be little doubt that the magnificent Iglesia Ni Cristo churches reflect, and in most cases, surpass the grandeur of the Roman Cathedrals in the Philippines.”

Reference:(Dynamic Religious Movements, p. 314)

In terms of morality, landgrabbed properties wherein forced labor were being used to construct edifices upon it would always be surpassed in grandeur and glory by one which is built from the sweat of the brows of the true Christian toiling hands!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
israelNOTpinas

Quezon City, Philippines

#9 May 5, 2013
Another example of the cultic nature of Iglesia Ni Cristo is its claim to be the sole source of truth and salvation.

This may seem odd since Christianity, as a whole, makes these claims of exclusivity too.

The difference is that while Christianity does make exclusive claims, individual churches / denominations do not (or at least should not) claim to be the sole source of that exclusivity.

True churches recognize that there are other Christian churches outside of the denomination that are rightfully Christian, and that we can all believe different things on secondary doctrines, yet still all be saved.

Jesus Christ himself said that salvation was found in Him, that He was the only way to the Father (John 14:6), not membership in a specific church.

Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:

• They believe that one must hear the gospel from authorized INC messengers and ministers.

• They believe the official name of the church is “Iglesia Ni Cristo.” Other names are not the true name of the church, and thereby false churches.

• They believe a person must be a member of an INC church and be water baptized to be saved.

• They believe people must avoid eating dinuguan, which is pork blood stew, a Filipino delicacy.

• Their members must avoid joining trade unions.

• Their members must avoid court sessions.

• They must vote in blocks.

• They are under compulsory church attendance.

• They must give tithes to the church.

According to the INC, all of the above rules and regulations are mandatory in order for a person to be saved.

The Bible, of course, teaches that salvation is “the gift of God, not of works, lest any man boast”(Ephesians 2:9).
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#10 May 5, 2013
Inside Catholic and Protestant churches are to be found the smell of decay!!! Rodents and roaches are roaming around at the very feet of their faithfuls!!! While termites make their presence known with the cross-eyed appearance of the beatified and canonized scarecrows of ancient times!!!

The only good thing about this is that termite-infested graven images cost more in the antique shops!!! You can ask the antique shop owners regarding their trade!!! They are the point of contact whenever the Roman Catholic gangster cliques make money out of the retrogrades!!!

"Sons like Los Padres":

"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."

Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)

It is clear from the Catholic book that priests do not practice virtues but grave and scandalous immoralities including heresy, and all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#11 May 5, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
Another example of the cultic nature of Iglesia Ni Cristo is its claim to be the sole source of truth and salvation.
This may seem odd since Christianity, as a whole, makes these claims of exclusivity too.
The difference is that while Christianity does make exclusive claims, individual churches / denominations do not (or at least should not) claim to be the sole source of that exclusivity.
True churches recognize that there are other Christian churches outside of the denomination that are rightfully Christian, and that we can all believe different things on secondary doctrines, yet still all be saved.
Jesus Christ himself said that salvation was found in Him, that He was the only way to the Father (John 14:6), not membership in a specific church.
IsraelNOTpinas,

Our Lord Jesus Christ establihed only one Church!!! He said, "My church" and not churches!!! You are therefore of low I.Q.!!!
What is Christianity or the Church of Christ??? The Compact Dictionary of Doctrinal Words states, thus:

"Christian--From the Greek words Christos,'the annointed one': Christ and ian,'like','similar to'. The word refers to one who lives a life like Jesus, the Christ , are generally known."

Reference:[Miethe, Terry L. The Compact Dictionary of Doctrinal Words, p.56. Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA: Bethany House Publishers, 1988.}

"whoever he is and whatever he is, he who is not in the Church of Christ is not a Christian."

Reference:[Fremantle, Anne. The Papal Encyclicals: In Their Ministerial Context, p. 39. New York, USA: Mentor Book, 1956]

And according to the Jehovah Witnesses, what is the name of the organization of the true Christians??? This book is haunting all of Jehovah's Witnesses in the following manner:

"...Sapagkat ang mga kasapi sa katawang-iglesia ni Cristo ay 'itinatanim na katawang-ukol sa lupa; binubuhay na mag-uli na katawang ukol sa espiritu', ang pagkabuhay na mag-uli ng mga natutulog na yaon ay sa buhay espiritu."

Reference: Ang Katotohanan Ang Magpapalaya sa Inyo, p. 300
And here's that of the Seventh-day Adventists:

"Ang iglesia ni Cristo ay siyang hinirang ng Diyos upang gamitin sa pagliligtas sa mga tao."

Reference: Paglapit Kay Kristo, p. 111)

Even the Protestants are attesting to the fact that those who will be saved are in the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo):

"Ang Iglesia ay ang katawan ni Cristo, at si Cristo ang Tagapagligtas ng katawan; kung gayon lahat ng maliligtas ay nasa katawang iyon, at sa labas ng katawang iyon ay walang kaligtasan."

Reference: A Time To Unite, p. 31

The Jehovah Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists are not the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) and yet, the pristine biblical teachings preached by our ministers are duly supported by them as could be gleaned in the references posted!!!! Seek the true kingdom of God on earth, the Iglesia ni Cristo!!!

You are promoting a falsity by including your spurious "Born-again" cults as Chrsitians!!! You are a pseudo-preacher!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#12 May 5, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:
• They believe that one must hear the gospel from authorized INC messengers and ministers.
IsraelNOTpinas,

Yes, the pristine biblical dotrines of the Iglesia ni Cristo are always correct!!! For man in order to be saved, he must listen or hear from the messengers or ministers of God!!!

When we talk about God's messengers, we mean those whom God appointed to inform people of His message. The epistle to the Hebrews says thus:

"God who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets,

"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." [Hebrews 1: 1-2, KJV]

Those sent by God speak God's words as Christ testifies:

"For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God..."[ John 3:34, KJV]

These words of reconciliation are needed by men in order to be reconciled with God:

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the word unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation,

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us; we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God." [II Cor. 5: 18-20, KJV]

People, therefore must seek God's law from His messengers:

"For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts." Mal. 2: 7, KJV]

God's messenger are mocked by the people to whom God has sent them:

"And the Lord God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place;

"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy." [II Chron. 36: 15-16, KJV]

Who are those that mocked God's messengers and despised the words that they preach? Is it not God's compassion to the people His reason for sending messengers to them?

"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." [John 8: 47, KJV]

Those who reject God's messengers and the words of God that they preach do not belong to God. Conversely, those who hear God's words from those whom God has sent belong to God and are assured of salvation:

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

"By which ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." [I Cor. 15: 1-2, KJV]

Must you persist in rejecting God's messengers?

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#13 May 5, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:
• They believe the official name of the church is “Iglesia Ni Cristo.” Other names are not the true name of the church, and thereby false churches.
IsraelNOTpinas,

Yes, the official name of the Church established by Christ is the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo)!!! The Apostles, Catholics, Protestants, and Mormons have been using the said expression as could be discerned in their writings:

"Magbatian kayo ng banal na halik. Lahat ng iglesya ni Cristo ay bumabati sa inyo." (Roma 16:16, New Pilipino Version)


"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." [Acts 20:28, Lamsa Translation]

"Ingatan ninyo kung gayon ang inyong mga sarili at ang buong kawan na rito'y hinirang kayo ng Espiritu Santo na mga katiwala, upang pakanin ang iglesia ni Cristo na binili niya ng kaniyang dugo."

A Roman Catholic priest says:

"5. Did Jesus Christ establish a Church? Yes, from all history, both secular and profane, as well as from the Bible considered as a human document, we learn that Jesus Christ established a Church, which from the earliest times has been called after Him the Christian Church or the Church of Christ."

Reference:[Cassilly, Francis B., S.J. Religion: Doctrine and Practice. For Use in Catholic High Schools pp. 442-443. Twelfth and Revised Edition. USA: Loyola University Press, 1926

"This Church, founded and organized by Christ and preached by the apostles is the Church of Christ....It is the only true Church, and the one which God orders all men to join."

Reference:[Cassilly, Francis B., S.J. Religion: Doctrine and Practice. For Use in Catholic High Schools pp. 329-330. Twelfth and Revised Edition. USA: Loyola University Press, 1926.

A Protestant author says:

"...Christ predicted the founding of a new congregation or churcn, a Divine institution that should continue His work on earth. Matt. 16:18. This is the Church of Christ..."

Reference:[Pearlman, Myer. Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible, p.349. Springfield, Missouri, USA: Gospel Publishing House, 1937, 1981.]
A Mormon Church author says:

"He conferred authority in the Church; explained the importance of designating the organization by its proper name --the Church of Christ..."

Reference:[Talmage, James E. The Great Apostasy, p.12. Salt Lake City, Utah:Deseret Book Company, 1968.]

Take notice that not even one of them mentioned your spurious "Born-again" cults!!! They are shamimg you at will as a pseudo-preacher!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#14 May 5, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
They believe a person must be a member of an INC church and be water baptized to be saved.
IsraelNOTpinas,

Yes, in order to be saved, one has to follow the priority command of Christ and that is to enter in Him in order to be saved:

"Then Jesus said to them again,'Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep ... I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved'." (John 10:7, 9, Ibid.)

Those who enter in Christ have been baptized into that one body which is the Church:

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." [Col. 3:15, NKJV]

"And He is the head of the body, the church..." [Col. 1: 18, NKJV].

"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free..." [I Cor. 12: 13, NKJV]

What is the manner of baptism for Christians??? By immersion and where there is much water!!! In John 3:23 we read, "Now John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there." Why was John baptizing near Salim? "Because there was much water there." Scriptural baptism, which is immersion, according to the Bible requires much water.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

israelNOTpinas

Quezon City, Philippines

#15 May 5, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
IsraelNOTpinas,
Yes, the pristine biblical dotrines of the Iglesia ni Cristo are always correct!!! For man in order to be saved, he must listen or hear from the messengers or ministers of God!!!
When we talk about God's messengers, we mean those whom God appointed to inform people of His message. The epistle to the Hebrews says thus:
"God who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
One classic sign of a cult is that it is personality-driven, Ross said.

"That means it has a charismatic leader or group of leaders who hold a tremendous amount of sway over members"
FELIX MANALO - A CHARISMATIC LEADER WHO HOLDS SWAY OVER MEMBERS

TRUE OR FALSE?

"Another common characteristic is isolation, Ross said. Sometimes that isolation is physical, with members’ comings and goings being restricted"

But most often, isolation takes the form of members becoming completely absorbed in the group and its activities,
Ross said.

If members work, go to school and socialize only with each other, isolation is a real possibility.

“I call it discordant noise,” he said.“Anyone or anything that would raise troubling questions about the group is marginalized to the extreme, cut off.”

"Also common is a persecution complex, he said. Members often have an “us- versus-them” attitude, perceiving simple disagreements as attacks"

IGLESIA NI CRISTO FOR MANALO MEMBERS HAS "US VERSUS THEM" THE INC IS THE RIGHT AND CATHOLICS,PROTESTANTS AND OTHERS OUTSIDE INM ARE SPURIOUS.
(Please refer to Elias List)

TRUE OR FALSE?

“They say criticizing them is to go against God,” Ross said.
IF SOMEONE CRITICISED IGLESIA NI CRISTO FOR MANALO IT ALSO MEANS THAT THE OPPOSITION IS AGAINST GOD.

TRUE OR FALSE?

Another giveaway, he said, is when groups teach that anyone who leaves is flawed.

Healthy groups generally believe people can have good reasons for leaving. Not so with cults, he said....

IGLESIA NI CRISTO FOR MANALO IS AN ABNORMAL BECAUSE IT HAS A CULT CHARACTERISTICS AND IT'S NOT A HEALTHY GROUP.

ELIAS must read the above cult characteristics.......
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#22 May 8, 2013
The Iglesia ni Cristo is different from others!!! The members are well-disciplined:

"Why is it that everytime we get to talking about a strong and well-managed, disciplined and powerful church, we invariably point to the Iglesia Ni Cristo?

"We would even heave a sigh and wonder what makes the INC so influential. What makes its members so committed and disciplined that they attend services twice a week without fail?"

Reference:[Bodegon, Joel L. The Isaiah Paradigm: Recapturing the Role of the Laity, p. 116]

“The INC does have discipline and its leaders do keep themselves very low-key, something that we wish our own Catholic bishops would learn to do…”

Reference: Paredes, Ducky. Malaya, Feb. 19, 2003.

"On October 30, 1501, Burchard described a dinner in the apartment of Caesar in the Vatican at which fifty naked Roman harlots chased chestnuts that were scattered over the floor, while Pope Alexander (VI) and Lucrezia looked on with amusement."

Reference:(Paul Williams, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About the Catholic Church But Were Afraid to Ask For Fear of Excommunication. New York: Doubleday, 1989, p.19)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#23 May 8, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church with her popes, priests, and faithfuls are awash with all sorts of abominable acts!!! Atty. Reynaldo Fajardo, a professorial lecturer at the Roman Catholic's San Carlos Seminary in the Philippines for would-be priests has this to say:

"In contemporary history one is reminded again of the scandals in the center of Roman Catholicism. Bank scandals, counterfeiting, laundering of Mafia money from illegal business,(Narcotics, prostitution, kidnapping, etc.) name it you have it, kickbacks, hidden wealth-connections with the Mafia, the CIA, Communists and subtle hypocritical connections within the P2 (Propaganda Due-a secret and powerful Masonic Group headed by Licio Gelli).

"The graft and corruption involves billions of dollars. All these eventually leads to the untimely and tragic death of Pope John 1 (Albino Cardinal Luciani) who occupied the papacy for only 33 days ending on September 28, 1978. Research and formal investigations show evidences to murder!"
Reference:(Fajardo, Reynaldo T. Bulletin Today, April 16, 1986, p. 8.)

WATCH OUT FOR THE COMING "COLOSSAL RACKETS" OF THE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!! DRIVE THEM AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES!!!

WORKINGMEN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!!! PEASANTS AND PROFESSIONALS UNITE!!! SMASH TO IGNOMINY AND DEFEAT THE EVILS OF THESE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS:

Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo).

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#24 May 8, 2013
People all over the world must stay away from priests and popes for very big and obvious reasons: THEY ARE CRIMINALLY SICK!!!

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/wo ...

JOHANNESBURG - A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis this week has told the BBC pedophilia is an illness and not a crime.

Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier, the Catholic Archbishop of Durban, told BBC Radio 5 on Saturday that pedophilia was a "disorder" that needed to be treated.

"From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It's not a criminal condition, it's an illness," he said.

Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.

"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."

The Catholic Church has had its image deeply tarnished by a widespread child sex abuse scandal.

Napier was one of the 115 cardinals in the Vatican conclave that elected Pope Francis on Wednesday, the BBC reported.

The first non-European pope in nearly 1,300 years, Francis has signaled a sharp change of style from his predecessor, Benedict, for the 1.2-billion-member Church, which is beset by scandals, intrigue and strife.

He said on Saturday the church should be poor and remember that its mission is to serve the poor.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#25 May 8, 2013
If you want to have a laugh, use the search engine of your choice to see where our Guam based AIDS victim worships Manalo.

The Yigo, Guam 'chapel' is led by Jose Ventilacion - you may remember him from the YouTube video where he gets his ass handed to him in an INC v. Catholicism debate. That 'chapel' is rented. Yes, it is a commercial property owned by a Roman Catholic.

So, where does all that mandatory tithing go? The Manalo clan must need another luxury car or mansion.

If you have ever been to Guam, you would know that the INC presence is laughable. They designated three locales when only one is needed. You can get almost anywhere on that island really quickly. But, by dividing one locale into three, the INC can claim that is growing. It is not.
nyg

Toronto, Canada

#26 May 8, 2013
Your Miami locale is so beautiful and grandiose

http://goo.gl/maps/xdqkw
nyg

Toronto, Canada

#27 May 8, 2013
Indeed this Cathedral is decaying and dilapidated. It is also smaller and less attractive than your Miami locale.

Pisa Cathedral, Piazza Arcivescovado, Pisa, Province of Pisa, Italy - http://goo.gl/maps/WtYWm

This is sarcasm if you didn't notice eliar lol

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