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Fred

Auckland, New Zealand

#1 Aug 21, 2008
When are you guys gonna realize you don't have to be pro-drug to be anti-Prohibition?
Tom

New Zealand

#2 Aug 24, 2008
For all practical purposes, Fred, they're legal already. The Prohibition just makes them rather expensive and gives you a whole lot of hassle.
jmNZ

Auckland, New Zealand

#3 Nov 19, 2008
Bolivia (upper Peru) is telling the Americans to take their stupid drug prohibition back home.
Ecuador (north Peru) has told the American puppet in Colombia to stop poisoning the Amazon with their mad drug war herbicides.
Hopefully Peu will join its neighbours.
Joe

Auckland, New Zealand

#4 Dec 16, 2008
Garcia is no stupid. He will tax the drugs beginning coca, like Morales. Then all the others.
Tom

Auckland, New Zealand

#5 Jan 13, 2009
No. The Americans need to shoot down a hundred more innocent missionaries before someone might take notice.
Tom

Auckland, New Zealand

#6 Feb 7, 2009
Fred wrote:
When are you guys gonna realize you don't have to be pro-drug to be anti-Prohibition?
They won't: they're too bigoted.
chucky chees

Tucson, AZ

#7 Feb 8, 2009
Tom wrote:
No. The Americans need to shoot down a hundred more innocent missionaries before someone might take notice.
Why would americans change anything, they have been making billions for the last 2 or 3 decades in the so called war against drugs in South America, it is a cover up!!!too much money to be lost if drugs are legalized!!!!
Joe

Auckland, New Zealand

#8 Feb 13, 2009
Because you're the guys who are the losers:$18bn to crooked bankers, megabucks to army, police and prisons and welfare for chucky chees.
chucky chees

Tucson, AZ

#9 Feb 13, 2009
Joe wrote:
Because you're the guys who are the losers:$18bn to crooked bankers, megabucks to army, police and prisons and welfare for chucky chees.
Joe, having a government (bush's) that did not care in hearing the people it was suppose to work for does not make the people the looser, yes we lost with that MF in office but many like me did not liked him and oppose to many of his ideas but did it helped? NO, now you tell me does your government does everything the people votes for, most probably not, in other words we all are in the same boat when it comes to how the governments act and rule.
You think that beacuse you say "legalize drugs" it just will happen, well let me tell you something that I am sure you have been told before, judging by your retorts "wake up and smell the coffee"
Drugs are big, billions big money, do you think that the cartels want to have ithem legalized, you bet NOT, they are paying big money not to do so, do you think the little dealer down your corner street want it legalized? NOT he will never make the same amount of money working 9 to 5 and on top of pay taxes on it!!! "wake up and smell the coffe" lokk around you do you think your stoners buddys want it? NOT the thrill of the illegalities of it makes it more enticing?SP (sorry, english is not my first language)
"wake up and smell the coffee" this thread is about legalizing drugs not how stupid you think people are!! by dv8ing from it you are showing your NZ buddys and the world how stupid YOU are!!
"wake up and smell the coffee"
chucky chees

Tucson, AZ

#10 Feb 13, 2009
OH and by the way, I have never been in welfare and believe me when I say I will flip burgers or sale newspapers before I get down to your level and ask my government for a handout!!!
chucky chees

Tucson, AZ

#11 Feb 13, 2009
Joe wrote:
Garcia is no stupid. He will tax the drugs beginning coca, like Morales. Then all the others.
Alan Garcia AKA "caballo loco" (crazy horse) is known for his scapeds and hguess what he does during them, you got it!!!He is as crooked as the next one, have you followed the third world countries government agendas for the past 200 years, thieves with little money, unlike the big developed countries, THIEVES with lots of money to cover tracks, drugs have been a way of life for many decades in South America and the USA has not been able to do nothing about it other than joined them and make more money under the table, do you think they want to stop? NOT. do some research before you say anything and then you might start understanding the world you live in!!
chucky chees

Tucson, AZ

#12 Feb 13, 2009
OH again, you do not have to insult people when you give your opinion, if you do it nicely you might not get put down in front of the hole world to read about it, I know for sure that indigenous people are probably getting really angry to have a "bobo" like you speak out to the world and beeing and idiot about it, luckyly I know better not to generilized, although some times is hard
Joe

Auckland, New Zealand

#13 Feb 13, 2009
chucky chees wrote:
OH and by the way, I have never been in welfare and believe me when I say I will flip burgers or sale newspapers before I get down to your level and ask my government for a handout!!!
I never got down and asked any government for a handout because he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Tom

Auckland, New Zealand

#14 Feb 13, 2009
What would you do about it then, Chucky Chees?
inka roads

Tucson, AZ

#15 Feb 14, 2009
Joe wrote:
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I never got down and asked any government for a handout because he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Obviously you rather discuss about the sidelines than the subject on hand, I believe this thread is about legalizing drugs and not welfare as you started it.
Tom, do about what welfare or legalize drugs?
in regards to welfare I will give it to the ones that needs it for no longer than 1 year, anybody able to walk to the welfare office and fill the app should also be able to fill a work app and in one year he/she should have plenty of time to find a job!! IMHO.
When it comes to legalizing drugs it is a much more dificult subject and it will depend of the drug you are talking about, a good example that everybody uses, alcohol, it is a legal drug and in my personal experience causes more damage to the person using it as well as those not using around the user, and it is legal, "pot" IMO much less harmful to the user and those around him/her and if you look back in history, 1800's, Hemp or cannabis indica was farmed for many years to procude a mirad?sp of products, cellulose, rope, textiles, medicine, to certain extend, and many other things and has not been proven to date that it is actually harmfull to humans or animals, unless you are given a mask and breath thru it the equivalent of 1 ounce in 10 minutes, then you most defenitely will pass out or die due to lack of oxigen entering your system, basically hold your breath for 10 minutes and you will have the same result!!
Other drug, cocaine, used extensively in medicine as an anesthetics, used by the native peruvians in the high mountain of the andes for centuries, not to get high but mainly for the harsh environment they live in (hard to work when you are at 12k + elevation), not and excuse they can always relocate to another not as servere area, none the less was and it is still use as a help in those instances, much more different than you or me using it for recreational purposes, not necesarily you or me, the average joe blow that snores it or shuts it up the vain,then addiction takes place and that is another story, unfortunatelly weak at will people sucumbs to it and the repercussion are many, none of those repercussion will change if it is legalized,'cause once you are addicted you will do what ever it takes to get it, same with heroin, meth - even worse, and on and on and on, now when I was in high school I did quite a bit of experimenting with drugs, did not affected my person in ways I saw other got affected, I am glad I am not an addictive person and have a strong will which help me a lot when it come to say no or stop, however, je, je, je you show me LSD and I am the first in line, specially if it clean, luckly it is not addictive, you can not overdose, but you have to be level headed to avoid bad trips IMHO.
Now what do you think? no need for insults just an opinion will be nice, we all can play with out fighting!!! or not?
chucky chees

Tucson, AZ

#16 Feb 14, 2009
yes, yes, chucky chees and inka roads are the same, I just do not want the CIA, FBI, KGB after me.
Joe

Auckland, New Zealand

#17 Feb 22, 2009
chucky chees wrote:
yes, yes, chucky chees and inka roads are the same, I just do not want the CIA, FBI, KGB after me.
Neither do any others of us, chucky
Joe

Auckland, New Zealand

#18 Feb 22, 2009
inka roads wrote:
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... none of those repercussion will change if it is legalized,'cause once you are addicted you will do what ever it takes to get it, same with heroin, meth - even worse, and on and on and on,.. Now what do you think? no need for insults just an opinion will be nice, we all can play without fighting!!! or not?
No it won't go on the same because if it's legal, "whatever it takes" will be a few dollars instead of hundreds and the addicts who can't handle their drugs will fall off their needles without killing or burgling the rest of us.
chuky chees

Tucson, AZ

#19 Feb 23, 2009
Joe wrote:
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No it won't go on the same because if it's legal, "whatever it takes" will be a few dollars instead of hundreds and the addicts who can't handle their drugs will fall off their needles without killing or burgling the rest of us.
I do agree that they will be cheaper, more regulated and hopefully not poison like some cases, however i have seen what an addict is capable to do first hand and those type of reaction will not go away just for the fact that drus or certain drugs are legalized.
Lets assume that for Heroin user there is a 2 grams a day qouta, once that addict past his treshole of the 2 grams, he/she might finnd a way to get more with out causingany lateral damage, what happen when there is no more access to more heroin an the addict does needs, and I mean NEEDS it soo bad that he/she will resource to many things to get it, stealing? and that is one way and there will be more drastic ways to get to it when they really need it!!! IMHO
Joe

New Zealand

#20 Mar 8, 2009
The dose an addict requires rises over (a few months) time but then plateaus out at a level. The shape of the curve is called an ogive. Most addicts plateau out at about 3/4 gram (pure!) a day. Any more has no effect: it's just a waste of money.
3/4 gram in an open market might cost 50c. Add on a 100% markup for government taxes (to treat the incompetents) and most addicts would need about $1.50 a day.
And they'd be perfectly reasonable citizens - look at William Halstead.

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