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Gracefulboomer

Waldorf, MD

#75 Jun 17, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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You really dont have anything going on for you upstairs do you?
All Isrealis are JEWISH by religion. However all Isrealis are not ETHNIC JEWS... i.e. Hebrew. Only a small percentage are. Many Isrealis come from Europe and North Africa.
At this point you should probably realize that there is a difference between "Jew" and "Jewish" There are the Hebrew people and then there are the people who follow the faith of the Hebrews. Not all Hebrews are Jews and not all Jews are Hebrew. Similarly-- being Muslim does not make you an Arab.
Alss-- please note: the CIA world fact book includes Palestinian Territories as part of Isreal-- since of course it recognizes and supports its operation. So the 76.4% Jewish are what we would call Isrealis... the other 23.7% would be considered Palestinians.
Also, only Jews from or living in Isreal are consisdered Israelis. The Jewish family that lives next door to me in Brooklyn doesnt identify themselves as Isrealis-- they are from Jersey.
'All Isrealis are JEWISH by religion.'-Asmara

You are just flat out WRONG.

Not all Israeli citizens are Jewish.

RELIGIONS IN ISRAEL-

Jewish 76.4%, Muslim 16%, Arab Christians 1.7%, other Christian 0.4%, Druze 1.6%, unspecified 3.9%(2004)

You are just full of misinformation, outright lies, and propaganda.

“Help me Jeebus!”

Since: Dec 07

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#76 Jun 17, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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I wonder where you came up with that little "fact"? LOL. Well I am Arab (from Morocco)-- and I am not a Muslim either-- and happen to love Palestinian people.
The only Arabs that dont generally like Palestinians are Arab Jews. All other Arabs dont have a problem with them... now Saudis and Kuwaitis on the other hand... lol. just kidding.
Palestinians are good hearted, strong people and they are proud of who they are. I am guessing that the closest any of you here have came to a Palestinian is your TV screen while watching CNN.
Keep it real.
The Saudi's are so enthralled with the Palestinians that they complain about Israel not keeping them penned in adequately. The Saudi's are in the process of building their own walls and fences to keep the Palestinians out of Saudi Arabia. They don't want rabid beasts running around at will in their country any more than anyone else in the region does.

Is that real enough?

Since: Dec 07

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#77 Jun 17, 2008
Bob wrote:
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Mostly a falsity. A great deal of the land that is now israel was either uninhabited in the late 19th and early 20th century, traversed by wandering arab nomads (no land ownership in any ocnventional sense), or jews who came to palestine or already lived there purchased land from arab landowners. If I buy property from you, I would expect you not to come back and try to reclaim it by violence.(Read One Palestine Complete). Other land was obtained by vanquishing it from attacking countries, which is not an unusual course of action by the west, east and middle eastern countries.
Also, when they bought the land they paid exorbitant prices. The arab landowners thought they really pulled the wool over their eyes. But then the Israelis drained the swamps and started irrigation. Suddenly the arabs wanted their land back.

Since: Dec 07

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#78 Jun 17, 2008
KBTs wrote:
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The Saudi's are so enthralled with the Palestinians that they complain about Israel not keeping them penned in adequately. The Saudi's are in the process of building their own walls and fences to keep the Palestinians out of Saudi Arabia. They don't want rabid beasts running around at will in their country any more than anyone else in the region does.
Is that real enough?
The Egyptians and Jordanians don't want them in either.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#80 Jun 17, 2008
Bob wrote:
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Interesting, I recently read that Israeli christians have been forced out of their homes or threatened with violence by Hamas and other islamic extremeist groups in the WB. I believe that this was mentioned most recently National Geographic.
This is true. Also, there were Marionites in the Lebanese hills that have been there for 2,000 years. They survived the Turks, the Romans and whoever else but they did not survive Hezbollah.
Gracefulboomer

Waldorf, MD

#81 Jun 17, 2008
falasha wrote:
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The Egyptians and Jordanians don't want them in either.
Lebanon has refused to grant citizenship to Palestinians since the 1950's also.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#82 Jun 17, 2008
falasha wrote:
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Are you saying only Sephardic Jews are ethnic jews? Is that what you are saying?
No, read it again. Not all Jews are HEBREW. By "Ethnic Jew" I mean Hebrew or of those groups which descended from the Hebrew people. There are many JEWISH populations however ethnically their ancestors were not Hebrew. There is a difference between religion and ethnic ancestry.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#83 Jun 17, 2008
Gracefulboomer wrote:
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Well if you are not a Muslim then you are indeed a rare bird from Morocco as Muslims make up 98.7% of the population and Christians only 1.1%, and the Jews less than 0.2% of the Moroccans
What is your point exactly? I am still 110% Maghrebia.

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#84 Jun 17, 2008
Gracefulboomer wrote:
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Lebanon has refused to grant citizenship to Palestinians since the 1950's also.
So, other than that psychotic cave dweller a thousand miles away, who really wants them?

They are just a pawn in a deadly game to embarass the U.S. and kill more Jews.

“Help me Jeebus!”

Since: Dec 07

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#85 Jun 17, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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What is your point exactly? I am still 110% Maghrebia.
Mathmatically impossible.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#86 Jun 17, 2008
Gracefulboomer wrote:
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'All Isrealis are JEWISH by religion.'-Asmara
You are just flat out WRONG.
Not all Israeli citizens are Jewish.
RELIGIONS IN ISRAEL-
Jewish 76.4%, Muslim 16%, Arab Christians 1.7%, other Christian 0.4%, Druze 1.6%, unspecified 3.9%(2004)
You are just full of misinformation, outright lies, and propaganda.
Wow, thank you for cutting and pasting that information from the CIA World Factbook... for a second time. I read it clearly the first time.

As I said-- they include the demographics of Palestinian cities in their data for Isreal... especially since Palestine is not recognized as an independant nation. I challenge you to find a CIA W.FB. page entitled "PALESTINE"... I can already assure you that you wont.

Also, I am curious, what exactly is this "propaganda" that you think I have to push and for what purpose? Last time I checked, I dont benefit from a Palestinian victory.

Lets be honest here... you dont actually care about the truth do you?

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#87 Jun 17, 2008
KBTs wrote:
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The Saudi's are so enthralled with the Palestinians that they complain about Israel not keeping them penned in adequately. The Saudi's are in the process of building their own walls and fences to keep the Palestinians out of Saudi Arabia. They don't want rabid beasts running around at will in their country any more than anyone else in the region does.
Is that real enough?
Rabid Beasts? Interesting...

The Saudis are not an accurate portrayal of the entire Arab world... the Saudis are living in a world entirely of their own. They like very few non-Saudis-- except of course Abu George W. And likewise, very few other Arabs think positively of Saudis-- and I mean very few.
Gracefulboomer

Waldorf, MD

#88 Jun 17, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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You really dont have anything going on for you upstairs do you?
All Isrealis are JEWISH by religion. However all Isrealis are not ETHNIC JEWS... i.e. Hebrew. Only a small percentage are. Many Isrealis come from Europe and North Africa.
At this point you should probably realize that there is a difference between "Jew" and "Jewish" There are the Hebrew people and then there are the people who follow the faith of the Hebrews. Not all Hebrews are Jews and not all Jews are Hebrew. Similarly-- being Muslim does not make you an Arab.
Alss-- please note: the CIA world fact book includes Palestinian Territories as part of Isreal-- since of course it recognizes and supports its operation. So the 76.4% Jewish are what we would call Isrealis... the other 23.7% would be considered Palestinians.
Also, only Jews from or living in Isreal are consisdered Israelis. The Jewish family that lives next door to me in Brooklyn doesnt identify themselves as Isrealis-- they are from Jersey.
'Alss-- please note: the CIA world fact book includes Palestinian Territories as part of Isreal-- since of course it recognizes and supports its operation. So the 76.4% Jewish are what we would call Isrealis... the other 23.7% would be considered Palestinians.'- Asmara

You are WRONG AGAIN. Just about everything you type is off the wall.

The CIA Fact Book has separate listings for-

Israel
Gaza
West Bank

If you would look it up yourself rather than spout endless lies you would know this.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#89 Jun 17, 2008
Bob wrote:
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Interesting, I recently read that Israeli christians have been forced out of their homes or threatened with violence by Hamas and other islamic extremeist groups in the WB. I believe that this was mentioned most recently National Geographic.
please link the article... I will do the same, there was another article done by Nat'l Geo that makes the Christian presence in Palestine very clear.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/12/bet...
Gracefulboomer

Waldorf, MD

#90 Jun 17, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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Wow, thank you for cutting and pasting that information from the CIA World Factbook... for a second time. I read it clearly the first time.
As I said-- they include the demographics of Palestinian cities in their data for Isreal... especially since Palestine is not recognized as an independant nation. I challenge you to find a CIA W.FB. page entitled "PALESTINE"... I can already assure you that you wont.
Also, I am curious, what exactly is this "propaganda" that you think I have to push and for what purpose? Last time I checked, I dont benefit from a Palestinian victory.
Lets be honest here... you dont actually care about the truth do you?
You are so full of it

Israel-

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-...

Gaza-

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-...

West Bank-

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-...

'As I said-- they include the demographics of Palestinian cities in their data for Isreal...'- Asmara

No, You are wrong again, the demographics are not included in Israel they are divided * See Above

You are just so full of it

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#91 Jun 17, 2008
Gracefulboomer wrote:
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You posted a GENERAL description of what CONSTITUTES genocide.
You did not post anything remotely related to the low level conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
Anyone can post a definition, you still did not post any reputable source .
LOL... of course the UN couldnt possibly be a reputable source... silly me.

Maybe you should attempt to improve your critical thinking and basic analytical skills. Read the definaition again closely. If you have even half a brain you will be able to see that what is going on in Israel/Palestine clearly falls under that classification.

I could post a thousand sources... but again lets be honest, I would proably be wasting my time-- seeing as you dont actually care about the truth what ever I post will fall on blind eyes.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#92 Jun 17, 2008
Gracefulboomer wrote:
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'Alss-- please note: the CIA world fact book includes Palestinian Territories as part of Isreal-- since of course it recognizes and supports its operation. So the 76.4% Jewish are what we would call Isrealis... the other 23.7% would be considered Palestinians.'- Asmara
You are WRONG AGAIN. Just about everything you type is off the wall.
The CIA Fact Book has separate listings for-
Israel
Gaza
West Bank
If you would look it up yourself rather than spout endless lies you would know this.
I did look it up. I said specifically "Palestine" Learn how to read or just stop posting here.

There are NO "Isreali" muslims. They are all considered Falastini--Palestinian that is. Clearly you have never been there nor have you even met someone from there. Well I have been there many times-- both Isreali and Palestinian areas. Not to mention my neighborhood in Brooklyn is majority Middle Eastern and made up primarily of Lebanese, Palestinians, Jordanians, Isrealis and Egyptians-- Christian, Jew and Muslim.

“Help me Jeebus!”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#93 Jun 17, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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Rabid Beasts? Interesting...
The Saudis are not an accurate portrayal of the entire Arab world... the Saudis are living in a world entirely of their own. They like very few non-Saudis-- except of course Abu George W. And likewise, very few other Arabs think positively of Saudis-- and I mean very few.
I certainly didn't mean to suggest that all people who claim to be Palestinians are, but those who behave like a rabid beast are making life intolerable for those who just want to see another sunrise.

The Saudis may be in their own world, but they are still Arabs.

How come the Palestinians aren't getting the funding they want from their Arab brethern? It can't be because of a lack of funds. Maybe it's because of Arafat's example of stealing most of it. Maybe it's a case of having had enough of the whole thing after 60 years.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#94 Jun 17, 2008
KBTs wrote:
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I certainly didn't mean to suggest that all people who claim to be Palestinians are, but those who behave like a rabid beast are making life intolerable for those who just want to see another sunrise.
The Saudis may be in their own world, but they are still Arabs.
How come the Palestinians aren't getting the funding they want from their Arab brethern? It can't be because of a lack of funds. Maybe it's because of Arafat's example of stealing most of it. Maybe it's a case of having had enough of the whole thing after 60 years.
1. You are mistaken if you think that all Palestinians support Hamas. In actuality they comprise the minority.

2. Yes Saudis are Arabs... so yes of course their opinions do count... however, you cannot possibly say that they represent the greater Arab world-- on ANY issue-- because that would be a gross fallacy.

3. As for funding-- are we referring to Hamas? Or the Palestinian government? Please specify.
Gracefulboomer

Waldorf, MD

#95 Jun 17, 2008
KBTs wrote:
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So, other than that psychotic cave dweller a thousand miles away, who really wants them?
They are just a pawn in a deadly game to embarass the U.S. and kill more Jews.
So true, the Arab League policy is to refuse to grant citizenship to Palestinians.

'They are just a pawn in a deadly game to embarass the U.S. and kill more Jews'- KBTs

The Syrian Prime Minister, Khalid al-Azm, agrees with your opinion and assessment.

Writing on the MidEast countries actions before and during the 1948 War- Please note this is before 'Palestinians' were named, at the time (1948) Palestinians were still named 'Arabs'

'Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees, while it is we who made them leave.

We brought disaster upon Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.

We have rendered them dispossessed. We have accustomed them to begging. We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.

Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes.'

Memoirs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refu...

Who better than a six term Syrian Prime Minister to describe it?

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