Palestinian deaths may thwart talks

[Get _Real]

another quote:
"Support for Hamas declines as the peace process moves ahead and increases as the peace process falters. Prior to the peace process, support among the Palestinians for Hamas was estimated by the Israelis at 20-40 percent in the West Bank and 60-80 percent in the Gaza Strip. This fell to 15-25 percent during the peace process.

And undermining the peace process has always been the real target of Hamas ... as the peace accords lumbered ahead, Hamas stepped up its terrorist suicide attacks. About a dozen suicide bombings were attempted in the months after the PLO-Israel accord was signed at the White House in September, 1993."
http://www.counterpunch.org/hanania01182003.h...

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Human Shields:
"A Hamas parliamentarian openly admitted to developing a "death-seeking" culture that uses women, children and the elderly as human shields against Israeli military attacks. "The enemies of Allah do not know that the Palestinian people have developed methods of death and death-seeking," Hamas parliamentarian, Fathi Hammad said in a speech televised on Hamas' Al-Aqsa television station in March 2008. "For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children," Hammad said. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy:'We desire death like you desire life,'"

[Get _Real]

Fathi Hammad said "We desire death like you desire life"
I guess we shall all get what we desire!

[Bluekey5waters-n ight-kite]

Get _Real wrote:

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Thank you!
You proved my point; Hamas and Hezbulla combatants hide among the civilians to create the headlines, with total dissregard for the civilians. Tell me who on earth would not stike out at someone carrying a bomb to his home.
And as far as the "Denying medical attention"; You know as well as I do that the Palestinians have hidden explosive devices in abulances bound for Israel. Palestinian rockets targeted Israeli hospitals.....so don't try the double standard with me!

LET'S REVERSE ROLLS .......Southern Lebanon has all the U.S. technology and support.
Southern Lebanon has been oppressing israel for the past 60 years.....1967 Lebanon decide to invade israel and change the the boundaries marker. Any peace agreement is never honor by Lebanon. Lebanon commits atrocities but is never brought up on War Crimes because it was justified threw propaganda and by their alliance with America....israel children throws rocks at the Lebanon tanks when they enter israel... israel says enough is enough...israel decides to fight back [that's a joke]and do what's necessary to survive...which includes killing themselves.[that’s another joke]..This go on and Lebanon wants election held to create a democracy government. Election are held and a regime called Ha-mas is elected by the people of israel. Lebanon and U.S. say wait a minute here....We do not want Ha-mas to be israel government. We want somebody else....israel states it was a fair democratic elections and this is who the people want...Then on on hot summer evening israel capture a Lebanon soldier in protest to the killing of innocent children killed by the Lebanese. Lebanon go on rampage and bombs the hell out of israel disseminating their country..Now, Lebanon comes with a plan...let cut the water that supplies israel,food supplies, let target ambulances, leaders of elected government, cut the borders,confine israel to a small area and let's start our ethnic cleansing......NOW, MY QUESTION TO YOU MR...imbecile-ily...HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE LIKE THAT?....YOU WOULD'NT, SO WHY IS YOUR COUNTRY israel DOING THIS TO THE INNOCENT PALESTINIANS?

[Bluekey5waters-n ight-kite]

There is no talking to israel ... the only talk they'll understand is when their country has no more financial support from the tax payers of U.S.nor military support.....and this latest incident show me how Evil israel really is.

[Get _Real]

The non-combatant Palestinians are innocent. No argument.

If the roles were reversed, I would take up arms as well, agreed.

I though, would not explode myself in a school, on a bus, in a market place or any other civilian "target" with the explicit intention of causing as many non-combatant casualties as possible.

That has not been the case in the history of the Jewish-Israeli dealings with the Palestinians, British or others.- Not as a matter of Gov't policy.

On those occasions when Israeli soldiers have done so, they were court martialed and imprissoned.

Not all individuals on either side are perfect, yet there is an obvious imbalance on the part of the policy makers. I assure you most Israelis feel deep remorse when Palestinian civilians are killed or injured, yet when the opposite occurs, Palestinians dance in the streets and throw candies to the masses.

[Mr Truthiness]

Get _Real wrote:

The non-combatant Palestinians are innocent. No argument.
If the roles were reversed, I would take up arms as well, agreed.
I though, would not explode myself in a school, on a bus, in a market place or any other civilian "target" with the explicit intention of causing as many non-combatant casualties as possible.
That has not been the case in the history of the Jewish-Israeli dealings with the Palestinians, British or others.- Not as a matter of Gov't policy.
On those occasions when Israeli soldiers have done so, they were court martialed and imprissoned.

ROFLMAO!!!! You mean 'elected to high office'!

Begin and Shamir were two of the most vile terrorists to ever live!!!

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Abdel Aziz Rantisi, head the Hamas organization, took part in establishing the terrorist policy of the organization and also served as its main spokesperson. He played a key and active role in inciting terror attacks.

[Pete]

Get _Real wrote:

another quote:
"Support for Hamas declines as the peace process moves ahead and increases as the peace process falters. Prior to the peace process, support among the Palestinians for Hamas was estimated by the Israelis at 20-40 percent in the West Bank and 60-80 percent in the Gaza Strip. This fell to 15-25 percent during the peace process.
And undermining the peace process has always been the real target of Hamas ... as the peace accords lumbered ahead, Hamas stepped up its terrorist suicide attacks. About a dozen suicide bombings were attempted in the months after the PLO-Israel accord was signed at the White House in September, 1993."
http://www.counterpunch.org/hanania01182003.h...

Why do Palestupidians support Hamas? Because they don't want peace; they want to destroy Israel. They love death and violence, so why does the world complain when Israel gives them more of what they have been striving for?

[Get _Real]

Why does Islamic fundementalism leave no room on this planet for people that think differently.
Why must the Imam's call for the inihilation of Israel?
Why are the moderate Arab leaders assasinated - Saadat & Benazir Butto - by Islamic extremists?

[pythias07]

If I were Israel I would not talk to Hamas either. Talking to people who lob rockets daily into Israel I wouldn't talk to them either and neither would any sane person.*(Jimmy the Peanut is exempt from this observation) See if you can figure out why!!!!

[Mr Truthiness]

pythias07 wrote:

If I were Israel I would not talk to Hamas either. Talking to people who lob rockets daily into Israel I wouldn't talk to them either and neither would any sane person.*(Jimmy the Peanut is exempt from this observation) See if you can figure out why!!!!

If you steal and occupy someone else's land, and place them under the most oppressive conditions in history you should expect rockets.

The US should give them a few thousand nukes.

[Get _Real]

If anyone is still following this thread please take a moment to read the following:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_a...

I am still open to discussion

[pythias07]

Oh truthy - too big a reach here. If the Pals Syrs Gyps etc hadn't invaded and lost the land they would have a case. Israel diid not steal the land - they won the land. I repeat my earlier post - get back on your meds!!!! You appear far too intelligent to believe what you write!!!!!!

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The Palestinian people have been oppressed by their own leaders more than by anyone else.

See this Saudi Arabian News Editorial:
http://www.arabnews.com/...

"For the last sixty years, the Palestinians have suffered badly enough at the hands of others. It is now officially revealed that it was not just others; some of their own people have been plundering large quantities of the precious money they have been given by outsiders, which was supposed to fund the transition toward full statehood...The revelations yesterday by Palestinian Attorney General Ahmed Al-Moghani that upward of $700 million may have been stolen in the last few years by corrupt Palestinian officials and politicians does more than stir outrage.

Some sources are alleging that the figure spirited away may be as much as $1 billion, fully a fifth of all money given to the Palestinians in the last five years.

...Other observers, including a World Bank official, say that very large quantities of money have been wasted through maladministration and incompetence...

...Far more important is the attitude of the international community which has seen its generous gifts to the many poor of Palestine end up in the pockets of a relatively few officials...

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I'm not saying that the corruption is all to blame. Of course not.

But what has the Hamas done that is good?

[Mr Truthiness]

Get _Real wrote:

The Palestinian people have been oppressed by their own leaders more than by anyone else.

Nah, everyone knows they've been oppressed by the Jews. Nice try though.

[Get _Real]

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Israel is solely to blame (as ridicules as that is)for the plight of the Palestinians; what has the Palestinian leadership done to improve their situation?

[Get _Real]

Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas/Gaza)- April 11, 2008

Hamas MP and Cleric Yunis Al-Astal in a Friday Sermon: We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe

That attitude will not get you very far!

[Bluekey5waters-n ight-kite]

Get _Real wrote:

The non-combatant Palestinians are innocent. No argument.
If the roles were reversed, I would take up arms as well, agreed.
I though, would not explode myself in a school, on a bus, in a market place or any other civilian "target" with the explicit intention of causing as many non-combatant casualties as possible.
That has not been the case in the history of the Jewish-Israeli dealings with the Palestinians, British or others.- Not as a matter of Gov't policy.
On those occasions when Israeli soldiers have done so, they were court martial-ed and imprisoned.
Not all individuals on either side are perfect, yet there is an obvious imbalance on the part of the policy makers. I assure you most Israelis feel deep remorse when Palestinian civilians are killed or injured, yet when the opposite occurs, Palestinians dance in the streets and throw candies to the masses.

Neither would I ever explode myself up, especially on a school bus filled with children.....I know what your saying and I agree... and I can't fathom anyone doing that. It's beyond my thinking, but what make it any different if you blow-up children on a bus or in air-bombing??.....The children are blow-up in both scenario and dead....Georgie bush initiated this kind of thinking with his made up war and his premeditated strikes and israel needed little coaxing to follow suit......