Chathams Pacific airline pulling out of Tonga

Jan 16, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Matangi Tonga

Tonga's sole domestic inter-islands airline, the Chathams Pacific will discontinue its scheduled air services in Tonga on Saturday 3 March 2013, after less than five years operation, due to a loss of business confidence, after the Tonga government moved to procure aircraft from China.

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<quoted text> bologni one of those who likes to incite people to raise upheaval and chaos like the ones that fueled the flames during the riots in 06...but they not willing to pick up the sword....no wonder akilisi is not prime minister maybe too much talk no action???
I agree with you. And yeah we don't need a riot repeat. We can learn from the mistakes of the past for a brighter future. Lets do things peacefully because that's the best option now..
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Inv e I think your heart is in the right place but you are not aggresive enough. Your methods failed. The government in 2006 depended on people like you, they knew you were p***ed off but they also thought you did not have the guts to do anything They were wrong. They depend on you Not to do anything next time. Prove them wrong inv, prove them wrong.

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Inv e I think your heart is in the right place but you are not aggresive enough. Your methods failed. The government in 2006 depended on people like you, they knew you were p***ed off but they also thought you did not have the guts to do anything They were wrong. They depend on you Not to do anything next time. Prove them wrong inv, prove them wrong.
Lets not underestimate the power of peaceful protesting, and in saying that let's not overestimate the effectiveness of violence. Nations have changed dramatically through civil disobedience. What the government thought of me is not a thing for me speculate, but I do know the riots were totally unnecessary. Did we need to burn Tonga's main hub of economic activity for it? The people of Tonga need problems solved, not inciting undue violence. Problems solved with reason and the cleverness I know Tongans have. Lets channel that love we have for our nation through constructive means of helping our island. Holding back violence is not cowardice, it's self control, like I said before, some things you fight for, others you do it with a calm mind and heart.

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inv e wrote:
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I agree with you. And yeah we don't need a riot repeat. We can learn from the mistakes of the past for a brighter future. Lets do things peacefully because that's the best option now..
PEACE is the best option, was the lives of those lost in the riots WORTH it, I don't think so...totally agree with you inv

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<quoted text> PEACE is the best option, was the lives of those lost in the riots WORTH it, I don't think so...totally agree with you inv
Lol I'm glad we can agree on this.. Tongans fighting Tongans just ain't right to me.. We can disagree amongst ourselves, but with emotions in check and hearts in the right place, we can solve our problems peacefully and survive anything. Taking care of ourselves from dangers abroad and from within.

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inv e wrote:
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Lol I'm glad we can agree on this.. Tongans fighting Tongans just ain't right to me.. We can disagree amongst ourselves, but with emotions in check and hearts in the right place, we can solve our problems peacefully and survive anything. Taking care of ourselves from dangers abroad and from within.
lets take this one more time for the idiots
we are not discussing a citizen fighting a citizen
we are talking about liberating ourselves from the criminal overlords that are ripping us off and keeping us in a state of abject poverty, that by 2015 We will be the poorest country in the world
We are talking about liberating ourselves from the criminals, we are talking about defending ourselves, the right of self defence is enshrined in every natural person, we have to defend ourselves against the criminals
these people who talk about how terrible 2006 was, basically don't understand that the people who are rioted still there today
they have not gone away
even though they may have been drunk and drugged what they did was a shining light, it was opening the window, to what we can do in the future
the reaction of the criminal aristocracy was to bring in foreign troops from New Zealand and Australia, to oppress the people further
remember King Charles 1 was executed by Oliver Cromwell for conspiring with the French to land a foreign army in England.
We have seen the criminal aristocracy land a foreign army in our country ,and all the so-called men of our country have dropped their pants to welcome them
the fighting, warlike Polynesians when confronted with a few white men carrying big guns, they go to water.
Tell me the answer this question, would the Australian and New Zealand troops fire on civilians who don't have weapons?
Of course they would not
it would be an international scandal
we have to fight for our liberation
there is no peaceful way out of it
just like there had to be a civil war in England to have democracy
there had to be a war of independence and a civil war in America to do away with mediaeval thinking
there must be an insurrection in our country to sweep away the criminals, who have given up the right to be called citizens, we must act and we must act today
men and women of valour, hold your heads high, and remember who you are, we are the greatest maritime race in the history of the world, we ourselves are great, we ourselves are the best.
We do not fight for King, with fight for the liberation of our own people and the future of our children and our grandchildren.
those who want to muddy the water by equating a criminal with a citizen,are just paid agents of the criminal class.
don't listen to them
listen to your own conscience

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even though they may have been drunk and drugged what they did was a shining light, it was opening the window, to what we can do in the future
Tbh, it doesn't surprise me you are trying to justify the riots of 2006. Lets make it clear, our goals for democracy and liberality is a little similar (besides you attacking all kinds of people), but the means in reaching it we differ significantly. Yes, the shining light was town burning down.lol. Your gallant heroes were drunk and drugged, those that weren't were infused with silly ideas people put in their heads, and the rest just looking for freebies, looting and burning down businesses, attacking ethnic minorities. The riots weren't noble or honourable no matter how you'd like to try to describe it. And totally unnecessary.
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remember King Charles 1 was executed by Oliver Cromwell for conspiring with the French to land a foreign army in England.
Oliver and others signatories just needed a reason to commit regicide, you break ancient and modern laws killing a king. I think Tonga needed overseas assistance to help bring Law and Order, it wasn't a civil war, it was civilians on civilians. And by the way, this republic didn't last long, the monarchy was restored shortly after Oliver passed away.
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We are talking about liberating ourselves from the criminals, we are talking about defending ourselves, the right of self defence is enshrined in every natural person, we have to defend ourselves against the criminals
Self defence against what? The monsters you trying to make of those people? These 'monsters' don't have any real power or are devils in the flesh. I know some of these people, they are people like you and me. Who's the criminal here talking about hanging people?
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We do not fight for King, with fight for the liberation of our own people and the future of our children and our grandchildren.
You ask people to fight and shed blood for liberation, liberation against what? Parliament has the real power, if you or anyone wants liberty in something you take it to Parliament. Women rights, gay rights, up to you..
Malo
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inv e. Do you want change or don't you?
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inv e. Do you want change or don't you?
....do you vote???!

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....do you vote???!
I agree, that pretty much sums it

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kauvaka wrote:
inv e. Do you want change or don't you?
NO They Don't, want change
they want to believe that people of our country in abject poverty. Slightly above the World Health Organisation's Minimum of a dollar 25 a day
fair want to be big man when they come back from the US, and grab a girl for 20 bucks a pop
that's what they want
like pigs, they cannot lift their heads to the sky, to see the beauty of God's creation, they will never see the blue sky like we can.
let them sleep with their dead mothers, drink from her dry titts
people like us will always be on the winning side
history is on our side
history is on the side of the people
we will win
we have nothing to lose
and a country to win

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<quoted text>NO They Don't, want change
they want to believe that people of our country in abject poverty. Slightly above the World Health Organisation's Minimum of a dollar 25 a day
fair want to be big man when they come back from the US, and grab a girl for 20 bucks a pop
that's what they want
like pigs, they cannot lift their heads to the sky, to see the beauty of God's creation, they will never see the blue sky like we can.
let them sleep with their dead mothers, drink from her dry titts
people like us will always be on the winning side
history is on our side
history is on the side of the people
we will win
we have nothing to lose
and a country to win
Yes, we do want change. And nobody is claiming there are not any problems. Do you believe in democracy or not? You vote or try get into parliament yourself if you want to make a change. Majority wins. It's not and never should be decided by the more violent of us.
The lion has given its power to parliament. Lets make use of it. Don't pretend this republic will necessarily bring prosperity. Prosperity will come if we vote in the right people who'll make the right economic policies.
You are looking at it through a kaleidoscope of monsters and demons that deserve to be hanged without proper trial. Tilting at windmills toko.
Better a pig with feet on the ground than an intelligent man with heads in the clouds.
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1047 voters elected Halapua, 8 voted for Vaea. Both got into Parliament, is that democracy?

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1047 voters elected Halapua, 8 voted for Vaea. Both got into Parliament, is that democracy?
In a way, yes. The people vote for who they want to represent them in parliament, and nobles vote in theirs. But lets wind it back to our problem. If we have a problem with nobles voting in themselves, than there's no need to incite violence, there are more effective ways of getting your voice heard, getting the changes you need. Hit up the media, get your signs up, spread the word and join hands with your brothers and sisters and protest. Protest peacefully through the streets of Tonga, and if the majority sympathise with your cause then they too will add their voices. Then your change will come, without putting blood on your hands.. In my view that's democracy, protesting (peacefully) is also part of it.

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Chathams Pacific’s General Manager Noel Gillespie said they have been kept in the dark as to who will operate the airline and how their service would gain from competing considering the circumstances.
He told ISLANDS BUSINESS he hoped the 54 Tongan employees in his company would find alternative employment in the new airline come March 2, the deadline he had given for the closure of his Tongan operation.
Gillespie said despite various requests, they had not been able to get clear responses from the Tongan Government.
“We asked if we could talk to the new airline to see if we could work together, but we weren’t given that information,” Gillespie said.
In a letter written to the Tongan Government, Chathams Pacific’s chief executive Craig Emeny said the study he had carried out clearly showed that his airline would not be able to maintain financial viability in the Tongan market with the introduction of another airline operating a 50-seat (MA-60) and Harbin Y-12 aircraft in competition to Chathams.
“I have now lost business confidence in Tonga due to the government’s attitude towards my airline and I won’t continue providing the domestic air services.”
Chathams is the 11th domestic airline to service the Kingdom. It started operating in Tonga in 2007. It operates five aircraft on various routes including the hot tourist spot of Vava’u where tourists flock to watch whales. But Tonga has a long history of failed aircraft ventures.

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corruption Tonga style!!!

is a we have decent forthright and businessmen who were operating a legitimate business to make a profit, an out of the sewer rises the corrupt reptiles of the fake royals.
this is one of the last acts of those despicable corrupt aristocrats and their Indian hangers on, who have shaken down every other business,and still are greedy for more
how long do my brothers and sisters in tonga have to put up with this?
How long do we suffer at the hands of these corrupt stained over men?
Everything touched by these criminals turns to mud
let's watch as this new aircraft venture, partly funded by China falls over as well
the corrupt class will only be putting their hands out to China for more money to cover their losses
and China will gleefully hand over more money bounding up these so-called aristocrats in ever more chains of debt and obligation.
We are no longer true citizens or even subjects of our own country, we are now debt Slaves to the Chinese.
How much further down the cesspool of subjugation must we travel?
Is it when the Chinese medical teams turn up to start harvesting the organs of our children, to pay back the debts?
We are already selling our young boys and girls to Chinese labourers as sex slaves at $20 a pop.
How much more can we bear?
We are the laughing stock of the South Pacific
we are the most corrupt nation in the world
shortly my friends, the corrupt elites will pony up the last remaining dollars, and check out of our country,to live the luxury lifestyle of the corrupt exiles, the casinos of the Middle East and Europe here they come.
Good night and good luck
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Change caused too much bloodshed, we want to stay the course and bring about gradual changes. Too fast is not good for the country.
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If You know china and the way they use to do business, just think why the Chinese government gives a new airplane for free to the Tonga government. Free is not a Chinese word, I'm worry Tonga people going to loose their freedom and economy by accepting that king of help from the chinese government who have shuch respect for freedom and liberty in their own country.

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kauvaka wrote:
1047 voters elected Halapua, 8 voted for Vaea. Both got into Parliament, is that democracy?
The basic precepts of democracy is one vote one value.
It's amazing how no matter what arguments rational people put up, to try to expose the corrupt system in our country, we always come up against these psychotic types who go to extreme lengths to formulate any type of crazy excuse to try to rationalise the criminal aristocracy and their criminal activities.
Would the behaviour of these criminal aristocracy would be tolerated in the US or Australia or in New Zealand or any other country in the world, other than China and other corrupt Third World countries?
We all know the answer to this.
And yet the psychotic bipolar servants of the aristocracy try to muddy the water with their lame excuses to prevent change.
Standard propaganda from the criminal class and their servants is as follows;
Tonga is a democracy---' which is a complete lie"
change will happen gradually --- so long as the money keeps on flowing, the rivers of gold that the aristocrats are sweeping up to themselves there will be no change, and if there was any type of change going to happen which would stop this money flowing to them, they would immediately execute those people. Because we are not talking about small change we are talking about somewhere in the vicinity between 140 million to 200 million per year.
The aristocracy will not give up this money without a fight, they have already taken delivery of 1.5 million dollars worth of Chinese arms.
Who are they going to use this weaponry against?
Their own people of course.
So there will not be violence from our side of the fence, but you can bet your last dollar, that the aristocrats will destroy everything and burn everything to defend their criminal activities.
They will have no trouble in launching a military crackdown, against their own people.
They will operate a night and Fog campaign against every dissident, and these people will be disappeared. Never to be seen again
the same as the ruling class in Argentina did during the 1970s, the mothers are still campaigning today to try to find their lost children.
So these sycophants try to label us as inciting violence, just imagine the violence that the criminal aristocratic class will unleash against us, because they know what they're going to lose.
Good night and good luck

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