Kings of the seas

Nov 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Fiji Times

CAPTAIN William Bligh was among the first to document the speed of the drua when he and his crew of 18 were cast adrift by mutineers of the HMS Bounty in 1789.

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Sorry brother, have to go. But I'll be back tomorrow I assure you. Maybe then you can calm down and open up to me about your personal insecurities and self denial hehehe...
Bye for now ;)
When you start getting owned in debate you run like a coward lol go cower in the corner and then return and ask me the same irrelevant questions tomorrow.

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What do you mean by MY 'speculations & assumptions'?? I didn't write those books you know. You may have it in your twisted mind that I somehow faked this whole thing - one giant CONSPIRACY. It wouldn't be the first time you entertained this type of stupid idea. And yet you call me the 'speculator' LOL...
In all honesty though, I think you should relax. You seem to be taking this issue very seriously. If I have upset or angered you then I am deeply sorry ;)
And if you were being serious there is no need to apologise as you have not upset me or made me angry with any of your assumptions based arguments.I actually enjoy debating with you because you don't resort to trolling when defeated in debate like some others on this forum.

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<quoted text>Let's go back to that little attachment to that website I posted before, shall we??

", there is debate amongst historians over the origin of the vessel design which has linkages to, at least; Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Rotuma,'Uvea, Futuna, New Caledonia, and most of Micronesia..."

And lower down on page 8, it explains how a group of commentators on the ndrua came to the consensus that Micronesians played a major role in its evolution. But you'll also see that some of them credited Fiji and other Melanesian cultures too. So that should give you at least a little comfort. But like I said before, it was a CROSS-CULTURAL COLLABORATION. You try to take advantage by saying that all of this is just pointless assumption. There is assumption and circumstantial evidence but that doesn't make it pointless. There is nothing else to go on - no written records, no photos, no physical evidence. That doesn't mean Fiji wins by default like a Rugby game, it just means that we may never know where it originally came from. So you're just arguing for nothing really...
Very well put , but this idiot Indian Warrior won't listen to you , he can't come to grips that Polynesia dwarfs Melanesia . We are the true Kings of the Sea . People that traveled the Polynesian triangle . New theories may include Haida Gwai'i of the Western coast of Canada the possible origins of the Hawaiian people . These people are very Polynesian looking and share many of the same fishing and cooking utensils , war canoes , war clubs and social structures . Too Funny !

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<quoted text>And if you were being serious there is no need to apologise as you have not upset me or made me angry with any of your assumptions based arguments.I actually enjoy debating with you because you don't resort to trolling when defeated in debate like some others on this forum.
Debating involves listening and acknowledging other points of view . Fijian Indian , you do not do any of the above . I'll prove it . Did Christopher Columbus encounter Fijians when he landed in the new world ? Yes or No ? I say NO . What do you say ? Be honest . I will respect you if you answer truthfully . Thank you for reading my comment .
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"In the late 1860s, the Tongan warlord Enele Ma'afu, who had conquered the Lau Islands, was defeated by the Tui Cakau's army in a skirmish at Somosomo. Several islands that sided with Ma'afu were sold by the Tui Cakau at that time to European settlers in punishment, and their inhabitants were moved to Taveuni. The villages of Lovonivonu and Kanacea are populated by their descendants"
Ma'afu came to Fiji & tried to be a tough guy but got shut down easily.We were too strong for the Tongans unlike the Samoans.Now that we have established that Ma'afu was defeated, you can stop bitching about it lol
after all u posted,only tell us u kno very little of fijian history with the great warlord Ma'afu ,u see Ma'afu n his few warriors were able to cotrol more than half of fiji n cakobau knew that ma'afu's ambition was to control all of fiji so cakobau with his tail between his legs ran to the white man (british)n not only did he sell out his people he lost everything Ma'afu's pact with the british gave Ma'afu power to share with da british if he gives up his ambition to own fiji n Ma'afu's descendants still controls most offices in fiji government today how was he able to conquere most of fiji with a handful of Tongans,i tell u cowworshipper Ma'afu was a master stratagists n a powerful warlord n his few warriors were masters in battle very disceplined compare to alexander da great n his 49,000 warriors against persias 110,000warriors n alexander kicked they arse because of strategy
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Are you e-tards still arguing the fact the Drua came from Fiji? how is it possible that Micronesia can conjure up a design that requires lumber their islands aren't capable of producing. Look at Micronesians.... no one is over the height of 5 feet 5 inches tall and no ones less then 200lbs... fact is Fiji... particularly Viti Levu is of true continental origin.

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<quoted text>after all u posted,only tell us u kno very little of fijian history with the great warlord Ma'afu ,u see Ma'afu n his few warriors were able to cotrol more than half of fiji n cakobau knew that ma'afu's ambition was to control all of fiji so cakobau with his tail between his legs ran to the white man (british)n not only did he sell out his people he lost everything Ma'afu's pact with the british gave Ma'afu power to share with da british if he gives up his ambition to own fiji n Ma'afu's descendants still controls most offices in fiji government today how was he able to conquere most of fiji with a handful of Tongans,i tell u cowworshipper Ma'afu was a master stratagists n a powerful warlord n his few warriors were masters in battle very disceplined compare to alexander da great n his 49,000 warriors against persias 110,000warriors n alexander kicked they arse because of strategy
Hahaha what a load of shit....but you are just a troll so I'm not going to take you serious lol.
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<quoted text>after all u posted,only tell us u kno very little of fijian history with the great warlord Ma'afu ,u see Ma'afu n his few warriors were able to cotrol more than half of fiji n cakobau knew that ma'afu's ambition was to control all of fiji so cakobau with his tail between his legs ran to the white man (british)n not only did he sell out his people he lost everything Ma'afu's pact with the british gave Ma'afu power to share with da british if he gives up his ambition to own fiji n Ma'afu's descendants still controls most offices in fiji government today how was he able to conquere most of fiji with a handful of Tongans,i tell u cowworshipper Ma'afu was a master stratagists n a powerful warlord n his few warriors were masters in battle very disceplined compare to alexander da great n his 49,000 warriors against persias 110,000warriors n alexander kicked they arse because of strategy
Don;t compare the Great Alexander to any of your primitive tenga warlords. Ma'afu was exiled out of Tonga due to the possibility Ma'afu might contest King George to the throne. Tonga couldn't even produce proper lumber to create a club worthy of warefare, hence why you primitive cavemen are half us fijian, how do you think Tonga had a foothold in Samoa? Nope none of your coral atolls could produce the proper resources and the numbers needed.

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Are you e-tards still arguing the fact the Drua came from Fiji? how is it possible that Micronesia can conjure up a design that requires lumber their islands aren't capable of producing. Look at Micronesians.... no one is over the height of 5 feet 5 inches tall and no ones less then 200lbs... fact is Fiji... particularly Viti Levu is of true continental origin.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
Aren't people in kairibait part fijian it seems the country is part of fiji snice back in the day. The normal Micronesian is 5.5 right but how na kai kiribati as big they claim their half fijian polynesian and melanesian. Like rabi lol.
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Very well put , but this idiot Indian Warrior won't listen to you , he can't come to grips that Polynesia dwarfs Melanesia . We are the true Kings of the Sea . People that traveled the Polynesian triangle . New theories may include Haida Gwai'i of the Western coast of Canada the possible origins of the Hawaiian people . These people are very Polynesian looking and share many of the same fishing and cooking utensils , war canoes , war clubs and social structures . Too Funny !
Fiji is a Kingdom of 16 supreme tribes and kings name me on island in polynesia samoa ruled none why cause you are slaves when compare to fiji we have over 900 islands which United our kingdom. Your country dont have any history of empire or culture poor samoa always be known as the slaves of the Pacific.
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Sorry brother, have to go. But I'll be back tomorrow I assure you. Maybe then you can calm down and open up to me about your personal insecurities and self denial hehehe...
Bye for now ;)
Your losing pahahaha the only people who have fijian blood in Micronesia are people from kiribat their country is part of fiji soon.

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<quoted text>Hahaha what a load of shit....but you are just a troll so I'm not going to take you serious lol.
Esa Lay... Fijian Indian... Was that you at Morris Hedstroms stocking up on peanut, bean to sell at the Suva bus loop ? Peanut/Bean/Peanut/Bean!!!! Ha ha ha ! That was you !!
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Lots of idiots from Fiji, Tonga and Samoa arguing over the past, so stupid
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Don;t compare the Great Alexander to any of your primitive tenga warlords. Ma'afu was exiled out of Tonga due to the possibility Ma'afu might contest King George to the throne. Tonga couldn't even produce proper lumber to create a club worthy of warefare, hence why you primitive cavemen are half us fijian, how do you think Tonga had a foothold in Samoa? Nope none of your coral atolls could produce the proper resources and the numbers needed.
Ma'afu was feared by Tupou uluaki n all fiji feared the great warlor Ma'afu n his 2000 warriors n fiji's 30,000 warriors or more was beaten up battle after battle untill cakobau turn tail an ran with his tail between his his legs to the british n sold his people out thinkin he outsmarted Ma'afu ,BIG mistake fo Ma'afu made a pact with the british to stay in a semi control status of fiji,fo the british knew how beneficial it is to keep Ma'afu an ally,don't insult my intelligence,the rerason there is half Tongans is from Ma'afu n his Tautahi spewin they royal sperm in fiji during the Tongan occupation of fiji by the great Ma'afu n it continued to this day ,just look around numnut,thats right Ma'afu the great stratagist will be compared to Alexander the great ,the original master stratagist,was their a great warlord from fiji that was as famous as the great startagist Ma'afu,i don think so there never was,none is documented
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<quoted text>Ma'afu was feared by Tupou uluaki n all fiji feared the great warlor Ma'afu n his 2000 warriors n fiji's 30,000 warriors or more was beaten up battle after battle untill cakobau turn tail an ran with his tail between his his legs to the british n sold his people out thinkin he outsmarted Ma'afu ,BIG mistake fo Ma'afu made a pact with the british to stay in a semi control status of fiji,fo the british knew how beneficial it is to keep Ma'afu an ally,don't insult my intelligence,the rerason there is half Tongans is from Ma'afu n his Tautahi spewin they royal sperm in fiji during the Tongan occupation of fiji by the great Ma'afu n it continued to this day ,just look around numnut,thats right Ma'afu the great stratagist will be compared to Alexander the great ,the original master stratagist,was their a great warlord from fiji that was as famous as the great startagist Ma'afu,i don think so there never was,none is documented
Cakobau sold off Fiji to the Brits, in return they paid off debts owed to America, fearing Fiji will fall under American influence. Not because of some obese fly swatting primitive idiot from tenga. Irregardless of the fact Fiji today is the power broker in the south pacific while Togas economy revolves around handouts from developed nations, and imports of lamb flaps from NZ. It says Togas natural resources are Fish and fertile soil.. that sounds more like a god given right then a resource.
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Cakobau sold off Fiji to the Brits, in return they paid off debts owed to America, fearing Fiji will fall under American influence. Not because of some obese fly swatting primitive idiot from tenga. Irregardless of the fact Fiji today is the power broker in the south pacific while Togas economy revolves around handouts from developed nations, and imports of lamb flaps from NZ. It says Togas natural resources are Fish and fertile soil.. that sounds more like a god given right then a resource.
fiji's government is run by the descendants of The Great Ma'afu,Ma'afu kicked cakobau so hard in th arse his ahole became his lips n looked like a cuksuker,n with a name like yours u sound like cuksuker like your cakobau hehehehe,Ma'afu conquered most of fiji with a handful of Tongans just tell us one thing ,we Tongans r more superior cause the Tongan flag flew over fiji and simoland ,no foreign flag ever flew over The mighty Tongans ,u all kissed arse to Ma'afu now u all kiss arse to the british,cakobau is the true fijian greedy selfish n a coward n a kiss arser hehehehehehe,dickhead fo some one to call them self that is a true cuksuker

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<quoted text>fiji's government is run by the descendants of The Great Ma'afu,Ma'afu kicked cakobau so hard in th arse his ahole became his lips n looked like a cuksuker,n with a name like yours u sound like cuksuker like your cakobau hehehehe,Ma'afu conquered most of fiji with a handful of Tongans just tell us one thing ,we Tongans r more superior cause the Tongan flag flew over fiji and simoland ,no foreign flag ever flew over The mighty Tongans ,u all kissed arse to Ma'afu now u all kiss arse to the british,cakobau is the true fijian greedy selfish n a coward n a kiss arser hehehehehehe,dickhead fo some one to call them self that is a true cuksuker
You are a functioning retard lol

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<quoted text>You are a functioning retard lol
Seems like Uiha is in your head !! Losing your cool Fijian Indian ?
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You are a functioning retard lol
What is it, about that u, can't wrap u r lil fro around. Uz, need to stop frontin, cuz, uz have a lil education n think u can recreate t wheel. It's done been punk, Tonga n Fisi r big guns of t Pacific. All, Ratuz in Fiji r part Tonga, enough w u r canoes n crap. Grow up.

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