It's the Guns, Stupid

Apr 20, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Truthdig

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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We'll see if you feel the same when your new Chinese 'masters' take control of your government....
Well it is either them or you or some other power monger thinking they have a right to tell the world how to live, try to control your resources to the point they make up lies to kill hundreds of thousands of people to get what they need to keep themselves going and bugger everyone else....you are not brainless enough to think America as a super power is better or worse than say China or Britain, seriously? Hows about you take a good look at what has been America's legacy to the world as a super power...China will be no different, nor will it consider anyone but themselves. We like most of the other small nations have to do what we do best and keep peace among ourselves in spite of the constant ongoing damage that the super power of the day tries to evoke, through lies, manipulation, propaganda and war.
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Right wing school districts!? You're too funny. Oh! because it's in Georgia you think it's right wing. For those out on the west coast, there's Atlanta and then there's Georgia all around it.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/149...
I'm not giving up my mortar for anyone.
Ya see, drunk driving incidents went down in numbers because of enhanced fines and sentencing. Not because they banned alcohol. Criminal control always works, not punishing law abiding people.
Think again if that is possible, alcohol is strictly controlled and is most certainly banned, or prohibited by age, by location and even by geography. The unlawful manufacture, distribution, possession, use or sale of alcohol, or underage consumption of alcohol is strictly prohibited and enforced in every state of the Union!
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We all know that guns can cost lives bc the media repeats this message endlessly as if we couldnt figure it out ourselves. But even someone who reads newspapers reglarly and watches numerous tv newscast may never learn that guns also save lives.
Much less see any hard facts comparing how many lives are lost and how many saved.
The defensive use of guns is usually not discussed at all in the media or is depicted as if it means bullets were flying in all directions. But most defensive use of guns do not involve pulling the trigger at all.
If someone comes towards you with a knife and you pull a gun on him he is very unlikely to keep coming, and will probably head in the opposite dirction, unless he's an idiot. And if he is an idiot you had better have a trigger to pull.
Surveys of american gun owners have found that 4 to 6 percent of gunowners have used their guns for self defense in the past five years.
Now that sounds like a small percentage, but in a country with over 300 million people that translates into hundreds of thousands of defensive uses per year.
Yet we almost never hear about these hundreds of thousands defensive uses of guns from the media, which will report the killing of a dozen people endlessly around the clock. The killing of a dozen people is a tradegy. But that is no excuse of reacting blindly by preventing hundreds of thousands of other people of defending themselves from meeting the same fate.
Although most defensive acts do not involve pulling the trigger nevertheless the total number of criminals killed by private armed citizens runs into the thousands per year.
Every story about an accidental shooting is repeated again and again on the media, while a thousand stories about lives saved by defensive gun uses never see the light of day in most newspapers and tv newscast.
More children die of bathtub accidents then shooting accidents, but you would never know that by listing to the tv or reading the newspapers. Some in the media inflate the number of children killed by counting as children the number of criminal teenage gang members killing each other in turf fights.
Many seize upon statistics that show britian has stronger gun control laws then the u.s. and lower murder rates. Yet they ignor other countries that also have stricter gun control the america, but which has much higher murder rates, such as brazil, mexico, and russia.
Today virtually the entire population of law abiding citizens in britan are disarmed--and gun crimes are steadily on the rise, as is murder.
Gun control makes crime a more safer occupation when the victims are unarmed.
The gun control cusade today is much like the prohibition crusade of a hundred years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self rightious know-it-alls (people like ahomana) in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mudane as facts---or even the lives of other people.
In the Twilight Zone -- certainly!!
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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and EVERY OTHER TERRIBLE IMPLEMENT of the soldier, are the BIRTHRIGHT of an American .... The unlimited power of the sword is NOT in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the PEOPLE."--Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, February 1788.(Mr. Coxe was a leading proponent of the Constitution and Bill of Rights and an American political economist and a delegate for Pennsylvania to the Continental Congress in 1788-1789. He was appointed revenue commissioner by President George Washington on June 30, 1792).
""The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of EVERY description, NOT such merely as are used by the militia, shall NOT be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the SMALLEST degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta! And Lexington, Concord, Camden, River Raisin, Sandusky, and the laurel-crowned field of New Orleans, plead eloquently for this interpretation!"--Chief Justice Collier, Nunn v. State, 1 Ga.(1 Kel.) 243 (1846).
Take a hike, you cowardly and treasonous sycophant troll.
Don't worry, no one is going take your precious little gun away - just think you'd cease to be a real man. Of course it is perfectly legal to be as stupid as friggen salted slug as well -- lucky for you!!
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Don't worry, no one is going take your precious little gun away - just think you'd cease to be a real man. Of course it is perfectly legal to be as stupid as friggen salted slug as well -- lucky for you!!
Your right, NO ONE is taking my guns. Your liberal liars are caught over and over trying to spread your lies and many are fleeing the sinking ship. I guess they forgot the last attempt to remove peoples rights ended in most of them out of a job. However this time they are catching on faster and leaving poor pitiful you out in the cold. I guess you are one of the last to realize The King has no clothes. Ha Ha Ha. Poor poor loser.
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Some idiotic nra member said it wouldnt have happened if all the students had guns. Try tell me that aint brainless.
I would rather die than lose my freedom, cars kill just as many people so why not ban cars and make people travel on horses or foot? Guns themselves do not kill, they require a PERSON to use it to kill. So if your so paranoid make it that there are some areas where you cannot bring guns and some areas where you can.

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We all know that guns can cost lives bc the media repeats this message endlessly as if we couldnt figure it out ourselves. But even someone who reads newspapers reglarly and watches numerous tv newscast may never learn that guns also save lives.
Much less see any hard facts comparing how many lives are lost and how many saved.
A: The reality is that guns cost more lives than they save, there would be a lot of people in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, America, Australia that would be alive today without them...Port Arthur, Columbine etc.

The defensive use of guns is usually not discussed at all in the media or is depicted as if it means bullets were flying in all directions. But most defensive use of guns do not involve pulling the trigger at all.
If someone comes towards you with a knife and you pull a gun on him he is very unlikely to keep coming, and will probably head in the opposite dirction, unless he's an idiot. And if he is an idiot you had better have a trigger to pull.
A: It would be more likely that a gun would be pulled on you in America than a knife, and you had better make sure you have the bigger one....so where does it end...

Surveys of american gun owners have found that 4 to 6 percent of gunowners have used their guns for self defense in the past five years.
Now that sounds like a small percentage, but in a country with over 300 million people that translates into hundreds of thousands of defensive uses per year.
A: Evidence to back that up would be a fine thing...you are also not taking into account that those with guns will more likely go looking for trouble or hit it head on, so the result will more likely be imminent.
Yet we almost never hear about these hundreds of thousands defensive uses of guns from the media, which will report the killing of a dozen people endlessly around the clock. The killing of a dozen people is a tradegy. But that is no excuse of reacting blindly by preventing hundreds of thousands of other people of defending themselves from meeting the same fate.
A: The reason you don't hear about all the lives saved by guns is, evidence as most people need this in order to believe such furfy's.
Again I will state that no one in your country is trying to take that right from you, if anything they meet with irrational opposition just to safe guard the kids at schools, where most people listen to the fear and hate propaganda of the NRA instead of thinking in rational terms about safety and moving to effect positive change for these innocents...accept for places like Colorado and Connecticut, and well done to them...they have implemented change with adult maturity.
Although most defensive acts do not involve pulling the trigger nevertheless the total number of criminals killed by private armed citizens runs into the thousands per year.
A: Evidence please Crawfish, it is your freind...I know you gun owners love to blow your own horn and god knows there are more of you out there than those who deal with facts and reality....but evidence would be a fine thing, and factual, indisputable evidence is like a slap in the face for any opposition....

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Cont: Every story about an accidental shooting is repeated again and again on the media, while a thousand stories about lives saved by defensive gun uses never see the light of day in most newspapers and tv newscast.
A: Of course any death especially a massacre of children with be reported over and over....these victims are dead!...It is important that these horrific tales of lost lives, by a/or many persons with an arsenal be told as many times as it takes, because is the shame we should bear, and it takes more than this type of in your face reporting to get through the thick skin of some of you.... This isn't someone robbing your home or running over your foot, there is no tomorrow for them(what could anyone possible do to warrant such treatment and then have it followed up by an indefensive gun stance from the NRA and their supporters?)....these people are dead,fini, murdered, and innocent, they were shot to death often multiple times at close range, through no fault of their own, in a place that should have proffered them safety and freedom....Do you gun supporters live in the real world?
More children die of bathtub accidents then shooting accidents, but you would never know that by listing to the tv or reading the newspapers. Some in the media inflate the number of children killed by counting as children the number of criminal teenage gang members killing each other in turf fights.
A: This is what we have come to expect from gun supporters, lies in the face of murder....denial and excuses for the ownership of guns more than the lives taken from shootings.
Many seize upon statistics that show britian has stronger gun control laws then the u.s. and lower murder rates. Yet they ignor other countries that also have stricter gun control the america, but which has much higher murder rates, such as brazil, mexico, and russia.
A: Again you have not stated the facts as they exist.
America is the greatest obstacle in Mexico dealing with drug cartells and the mass murders they commit....American guns and ammo are the predominant weapons illegally crossing the border into a country fighting hard to bring these cartells to bear...
Today virtually the entire population of law abiding citizens in britan are disarmed--and gun crimes are steadily on the rise, as is murder.
A: Explain that to one to me then yourself, with factual evidence where guns are restricted, yet more and more people are getting shot....where are these guns coming from...they can't be legal so who is bringing them in or how and why? Gun restrictions do work and there are many countries that are proof of this...

Gun control makes crime a more safer occupation when the victims are unarmed.
The gun control cusade today is much like the prohibition crusade of a hundred years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self rightious know-it-alls (people like ahomana) in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mudane as facts---or even the lives of other people.
A: Here comes the paranoia straight from the gun owners manual...State anywhere where the government has taken your weapon the one you keep at home, where they have walked in and physically removed that gun and so now you have none...show me this...they haven't nor have they removed the law stating that you have a right to have it...so live your life of paranoid fear as that is all you have to cling on to because the government isn't knocking your door down to rob your of your weapon to protect your wife and your kids or go out and kill your own meat.....IT IS ALL IN YOUR FECKIN' HEAD!
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How much pork you eat today Ahomona fat poo head.
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And it is still less than Obama has spent in the last 4 years. So what is your point/
The point is, dummy, money had to be spent to keep the destroyed country alive.. to keep the Republican catastrophe from taking down the whole economy forever....

It is also time for many Americans, who make a lot of money, to start paying some serious taxes.

You can't keep building up a big military without paying for it somehow...
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American millitary did not stop USA being taken over by a black president. USA have lost already.

Korean rocket will just end the suffering.

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"subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law"--British Bill of Rights.
WHAT HAPPENED?
>You< didn't learn from HISTORY.
Nor do you realize that EVERY PEOPLE that have allowed themselves to be disarmed. Have always ultimately been either ENSLAVED or SLAUGHTERED.
Good luck with your upcoming enslavement and/or genocide....
If you (America) every learnt anything from history you would have learned that before guns people survived to get to a time where they could have guns...even when they cause more death destruction genocide displacement than any other time in our history...go you...keep up that book learning if anything America is the beacon by which everyone should aspire to....sell weapons around the world to destroy countries, build arsenals in their own countries in the hope their government tries to take them and watch the idiots go postal and kill kids in their classes....If history is to be your guide...you have learnt nothing yank.....

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How much pork you eat today Ahomona fat poo head.
A lot....I had a pork roll, a pork dinner and a pork in aspic brekky. If more untouchable Indian men ate pork it might calm their testosterone levels enough so they wouldn't try to illegally pork every young woman that passes by their mud hut.

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Not quite 'sid'. I'm a FREE man that is vigilant over maintaining the Rights and Liberties given to me by my Creator. And will attack any weak and perverse sycophant boot-licker that attempts to place me under the same boot they placed themselves are under.
Too late for that bro!
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A lot....I had a pork roll, a pork dinner and a pork in aspic brekky. If more untouchable Indian men ate pork it might calm their testosterone levels enough so they wouldn't try to illegally pork every young woman that passes by their mud hut.
If you did not eat 500kg of pork per day you would not be so fat with fat breasts sagging.

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The gun doesn't make this man, dolt. The gun is just the most convenient and effective tool to prevent BS.
Now why don't you go back to trusting your 'masters' for protection. And leave the REAL MEN alone to defend themselves.
Of course the gun makes you, and those like you in particular, unless there is someone with a bigger gun....You matey have spent you posts ranting about how important a gun is for defending you and yours did you suddenly have an epiphany to make you clearly understand that in order to become a "real man" it should be more about fixing a weak and dependent society who has become so reliant on guns in the first place?

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If you did not eat 500kg of pork per day you would not be so fat with fat breasts sagging.
Sagging tits, mmmm can't get females off your mind ninog, no wonder you hump your mother and sisters. Eat that pork it will fill your belly and take your mind off your brothers, you don't want to go there...nom nom
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Sagging tits, mmmm can't get females off your mind ninog, no wonder you hump your mother and sisters. Eat that pork it will fill your belly and take your mind off your brothers, you don't want to go there...nom nom
hhahaha you are funny ninog... I never hear this word before. The pork is making you invent new words. The pork has made you think you are in an imaginary world.

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hhahaha you are funny ninog... I never hear this word before. The pork is making you invent new words. The pork has made you think you are in an imaginary world.
LOL. You can't use it on me silly, it looses it's affect, you really should learn your audience and Aussie slang wash up...
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LOL. You can't use it on me silly, it looses it's affect, you really should learn your audience and Aussie slang wash up...
English is enough.
I dont want to learn pork slang.

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