Australian Iraq war lies condemned

Apr 15, 2013 Full story: Dear Kitty 109

To everyone who does not believe oil is the reason we are in Iraq! Hot from the ABC news one hour ago.

Full Story

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#43 Apr 17, 2013
true wrote:
<quoted text>
great post Ahomana; I agree with you 100%
Cheers, True.

Since: Oct 11

South Porcupine, Canada

#44 Apr 17, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
I vaguely remember an arms deal between indo's and america at the same time, someone else may remember the details.
Maybe you can find a link to back up your accusation!

Since: Oct 11

South Porcupine, Canada

#45 Apr 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
You like most of your brethren are idiots....
Frig that wasn't a hard question considering I supplied you with multiple answers. It would appear that you and the rest of your ilk are the idiots!

Sure you're not late for your meeting of the flat earth society or the luddite club?

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#46 Apr 17, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't only over the oil it was what money the oil was being traded for....wake up Cheffy.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/22/the-us...
If you read everything you would see I responded to sids question of would the USA have invaded if Iraq didn't have oil.

And Germany got far more out of Iraq than the USA did. How does that fit into your American conspiracy? Britain did almost as well out of the infiltration as America.

Show me evidence before the infiltration that there was proof saddam had no WMD's? Even if there is you'll be waiting another 20 years for any evidence to be released. Even most of the current democrats supported Bush's attack. Even here most of Labor supported the attack. All based on the evidence provided.

The EU had sanctions against saddam for 2 yrs before the attack so he couldn't have traded lego for the euro let alone oil. And oil sales were limited to swap for food & medicine only.
Becky

Nanjing, China

#47 Apr 17, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
<quoted text>
your problem is you think I care about why we went to war? I don't. Fact is the war happened, it is now the past and nothing will change that. 9/11, WMD, oil, Jewish influence - I don't care why - I am happy one farcking nutjob was ousted & the people are now free to decide how they want to live without fear. They removed Gaddafi. Time to remove Kim.
Iraq now has democracy & they get to decide their countries future. They auctioned off their 11 oil reserves for instant cash plus an ongoing royalty. American companies only got 1 field.
You and sid should read about how the majority of the 120,000 dead from the war were from sectarian killings - not allied forces.
Anybody who thinks removing saddam was not justified is simply a moron.
Of course you keep shifting ground because you are trying to defend the indefensible. Now your position is you don't care why we went to war? Pathetic.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#48 Apr 17, 2013
Yank Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you can find a link to back up your accusation!
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/repo...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invas...

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/8114

http://www.etan.org/et2006/january/14/20whitl...

Plenty of other links to whitlams support of the indonesian invasion. The first two links are regarding the arms deal with america.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#49 Apr 18, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
<quoted text>
If you read everything you would see I responded to sids question of would the USA have invaded if Iraq didn't have oil.
And Germany got far more out of Iraq than the USA did. How does that fit into your American conspiracy? Britain did almost as well out of the infiltration as America.

A: I am talking about the industrialized or western world as we know it Cheffy....when I mention the yanks they were the engineers of the Iraqi invasion....along with Britain....neither Germany or France (and the other countries that were against it, that surely I don't have to mention) didn't want it because they "knew" what Colin Powell (on behalf of America) was feeding them was a pack of lies. They KNEW....
Show me evidence before the infiltration that there was proof saddam had no WMD's? Even if there is you'll be waiting another 20 years for any evidence to be released. Even most of the current democrats supported Bush's attack. Even here most of Labor supported the attack. All based on the evidence provided.
A: The evidence was false, it was all lies and the Yanks knew it the Brits knew it and Australia knew it ..Check out FOUR CORNERS....AND THE SPIES WHO FOOLED THE WORLD, that will set you straight.
The EU had sanctions against saddam for 2 yrs before the attack so he couldn't have traded lego for the euro let alone oil. And oil sales were limited to swap for food & medicine only.
A: While Hussien had EU sanctions against him he had oil trucks lined up to ship and transport around the globe and that includes all of the western countries....There was a big story done on it by sixty minutes by my recollection....so much for sanctions eh!

“Piss the Queen off Our coins!”

Since: Nov 11

Adelaide

#50 Apr 18, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
Yes PM Howard lied and so is PM..Gillard lying to us today about the reasons why we are still there, Colin Powell lied, President Bush lied, President Obama is lying now, Prime Minister Tony Blair lied and so it goes....there were no WMDS, if you still have any doubt about any of it watch the four corners episode on the "Spies that fooled the world"... Brilliant!
Who would believe one word of any of these so called leaders after seeing them use Iraq and it's people as pawns and targets in their sick greedy conspiracy....they will all rot in hell for the lives their lies have cost if only there IS a God, I would pay to watch him smite them....
Err, we pulled out of Iraq years ago. Do you mean Afgahnistan? Afgahnistan has always been a cess pit. The Ruskies tried to tame it and Failed. Now the Yanks will fail. As soon as the Nato forces retreat, the extremists will rise and we will be back to square one again.

Should have nuked the joint.

“Piss the Queen off Our coins!”

Since: Nov 11

Adelaide

#51 Apr 18, 2013
Foo wrote:
Actually , Australia's involvement in East Timor has a suspicious connection to substantial natural gas resources located off the Timor coast. Howard screwed them big time when he was playing deputy sherrif for George Dubya.....typical....but Timor Leste stuck to their guns and got a better deal for their people....good stuff.
Screwing another nation for vast resources is completely within our National Interest.

Does not bother me a bit.

What did you expect? The leader of our nation to hand over massive amounts of wealth on a platter?

Typical Left Wing Socialists.

Since: Oct 11

South Porcupine, Canada

#52 Apr 18, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/repo...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invas...
http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/8114
http://www.etan.org/et2006/january/14/20whitl...
Plenty of other links to whitlams support of the indonesian invasion. The first two links are regarding the arms deal with america.
I requested you supplied, thanks.

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#53 Apr 18, 2013
Becky wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you keep shifting ground because you are trying to defend the indefensible. Now your position is you don't care why we went to war? Pathetic.
objective was to remove the madman saddam
objective completed
war successful
well done USA & allied forces

Official reason for war will be available in another 20yrs when secrecy laws expire.

what don't you understand about my stance?
Good Aussies

Prague, Czech Republic

#54 Apr 18, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
<quoted text>
If you read everything you would see I responded to sids question of would the USA have invaded if Iraq didn't have oil.
And Germany got far more out of Iraq than the USA did. How does that fit into your American conspiracy? Britain did almost as well out of the infiltration as America.
Show me evidence before the infiltration that there was proof saddam had no WMD's? Even if there is you'll be waiting another 20 years for any evidence to be released. Even most of the current democrats supported Bush's attack. Even here most of Labor supported the attack. All based on the evidence provided.
The EU had sanctions against saddam for 2 yrs before the attack so he couldn't have traded lego for the euro let alone oil. And oil sales were limited to swap for food & medicine only.
Show you evidence that there was proof Saddam had no WMDs?

No buddy, that's not how it works. You have to show evidence for the positive first.

Tell us a little more about Iran and why it is such a threat please.

“Fair & Balanced”

Since: Jul 12

wherever there's a mine

#55 Apr 18, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
If you read everything you would see I responded to sids question of would the USA have invaded if Iraq didn't have oil.
And Germany got far more out of Iraq than the USA did. How does that fit into your American conspiracy? Britain did almost as well out of the infiltration as America.
A: I am talking about the industrialized or western world as we know it Cheffy....when I mention the yanks they were the engineers of the Iraqi invasion....along with Britain....neither Germany or France (and the other countries that were against it, that surely I don't have to mention) didn't want it because they "knew" what Colin Powell (on behalf of America) was feeding them was a pack of lies. They KNEW....
You should read why france didn't support the war. Nothing to do with Iraq. Very interesting reading. It was about them using their UN Veto vote as payback for times when the USA used the veto against france. BTW it is reported the UN security council would have voted 9 to 6 in favour of war if not for the veto. Russia voted no because saddam owed them $8b.

So what did they know ??????????
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me evidence before the infiltration that there was proof saddam had no WMD's? Even if there is you'll be waiting another 20 years for any evidence to be released. Even most of the current democrats supported Bush's attack. Even here most of Labor supported the attack. All based on the evidence provided.
A: The evidence was false, it was all lies and the Yanks knew it the Brits knew it and Australia knew it ..Check out FOUR CORNERS....AND THE SPIES WHO FOOLED THE WORLD, that will set you straight.
So you read the info I gave you of all the countries who supplied saddam with chemical & biological weapons - where did they all go? It was german biological weaponry saddam used killing over 5000 kurds in al anfal in the late 80's. It was chemicals the world gave saddam that he loaded in VX missiles he shot into Iran. Where did all those chemicals & weapons go? I think it was a german company carl cobe (or karl kobe) who built underground biological labs for saddam and sent him over 1000 tons of mustard gas. Where did they go?
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
The EU had sanctions against saddam for 2 yrs before the attack so he couldn't have traded lego for the euro let alone oil. And oil sales were limited to swap for food & medicine only.
A: While Hussien had EU sanctions against him he had oil trucks lined up to ship and transport around the globe and that includes all of the western countries....There was a big story done on it by sixty minutes by my recollection....so much for sanctions eh!
yes - but the oil bought food & medicines etc. It was a UN controlled program. I'm sure you could find the UN documents that even say what all the oil bought. An apart from several hundred tankers in the early stages he sent to syria it was tightly controlled. russia couldn't even get oil to pay down the debt saddam had with them.

Since: Oct 11

South Porcupine, Canada

#56 Apr 18, 2013
Good Aussies wrote:
<quoted text>
Show you evidence that there was proof Saddam had no WMDs?
No buddy, that's not how it works. You have to show evidence for the positive first.
Tell us a little more about Iran and why it is such a threat please.
What did the Iraqis use against the Kurds in March 1988? Why does everyone ignore this? I guess the old head in the sand syndrome!

http://www.google.ca/webhp...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#57 Apr 19, 2013
chefboy812 wrote:
<quoted text>
You should read why france didn't support the war. Nothing to do with Iraq. Very interesting reading. It was about them using their UN Veto vote as payback for times when the USA used the veto against france. BTW it is reported the UN security council would have voted 9 to 6 in favour of war if not for the veto. Russia voted no because saddam owed them $8b.
So what did they know ??????????
They knew that the US was lying, they had information that the US supplied and encouraged other countries to supply Hussein with WMDS to fight Iran...and they knew the US were lying about their role in it...and that they no longer had such weapons as they were never found by any of the UN inspectors who did a thorough search of the facilities where it was claimed they were....the French knew that America was attempting to engineer a war on false information....did you not watch four corners???
<quoted text>
So you read the info I gave you of all the countries who supplied saddam with chemical & biological weapons - where did they all go? It was german biological weaponry saddam used killing over 5000 kurds in al anfal in the late 80's. It was chemicals the world gave saddam that he loaded in VX missiles he shot into Iran. Where did all those chemicals & weapons go? I think it was a german company carl cobe (or karl kobe) who built underground biological labs for saddam and sent him over 1000 tons of mustard gas. Where did they go?
A: Well that depends on whether you want to continue with the belief that Hussien still had them which is what the US was trying to convince everyone so they could get their support to go to war.... the US lied...or do you want the real truth...

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/09/0...

<quoted text>
yes - but the oil bought food & medicines etc. It was a UN controlled program. I'm sure you could find the UN documents that even say what all the oil bought. An apart from several hundred tankers in the early stages he sent to syria it was tightly controlled. russia couldn't even get oil to pay down the debt saddam had with them.
A: Isn't the UN wonderful they are giving aid while the Iraqi people are having their oil resources exploited by the US, and the UN can do nothing to stop it...yes big wonderful industrialized world marching in to remove despot to save people then rape and plunder their resources through occupation, which denies them any rights as citizens to their own property, They are governed by a puppet government who work for the US...and you call this better? It is worse...they are still being sold out and some greedy swine who is stealing all their money and they get to live like third world citizens without freedom or a right to a country that is theirs....Hussien was better at least you knew he was a murdering despot and didn't claim to be a white night and then turn into monster.
...http://www.guardian.co.uk/c ommentisfree/cifamerica/2010/a ug/04/us-iraq-rebranding-occup ation

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#58 Apr 19, 2013
Yank Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>
What did the Iraqis use against the Kurds in March 1988? Why does everyone ignore this? I guess the old head in the sand syndrome!
http://www.google.ca/webhp...
Maybe they ignore it because it had nothing to do with the war that bush senior started in 91 because of Iraqi's invasion of Kuwait and then the son followed it up with the war over WMDS which no one has ever seen, let alone shown any credible evidence to support a war.
sid

Brisbane, Australia

#59 Apr 19, 2013
Yank Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>
What did the Iraqis use against the Kurds in March 1988? Why does everyone ignore this? I guess the old head in the sand syndrome!
http://www.google.ca/webhp...
The second day after the US invaded iraq I thought, WTF is wrong with these iraq's, why aren't they using all there WMD since defeat was inevitable. Surely with defeat a forgone conclusion the iraq's would have thrown anything and everything at the americans, they had no reason not to. But nope, not a WMD in sight, that's when I realised the whole fcuking thing was a sham and a lie.
The FUCKWIT Bashers

Tempe, AZ

#60 Apr 19, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
a sham and a lie.
Just like you, the greatest Con no, 1 Rhum and CACA Cola.

Since: Oct 11

South Porcupine, Canada

#62 Apr 19, 2013
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe they ignore it because it had nothing to do with the war that bush senior started in 91 because of Iraqi's invasion of Kuwait and then the son followed it up with the war over WMDS which no one has ever seen, let alone shown any credible evidence to support a war.
I would say the Kurds saw the WMD right up close and personal. You and your anti American muslim friends should stick to bombing women and children.

Since: Oct 11

South Porcupine, Canada

#63 Apr 19, 2013
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
The second day after the US invaded iraq I thought, WTF is wrong with these iraq's, why aren't they using all there WMD since defeat was inevitable. Surely with defeat a forgone conclusion the iraq's would have thrown anything and everything at the americans, they had no reason not to. But nope, not a WMD in sight, that's when I realised the whole fcuking thing was a sham and a lie.
Had the Iraqis used WMD Iraq would have been turned into the biggest glass factory in the world. Do you actually think the Americans, British and French would have stood by watching their troops exposed to the horrors or chemical and biological warfare?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Oceania Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
LDS Apostle visited Tonga (Feb '14) 24 min tongangodz 18,796
Former Australia Prime Minister Gough Whitlam dies 2 hr SnyffMyPhartz 6
Australian Taxation Office orders new building,... 4 hr _0rion_ 5
From The Glasshouse to God's house 7 hr northland sess 20
Radua says Nadroga deserves to be called Fiji r... 10 hr Nate 1
Modi to address joint session of Australian Par... 11 hr The ADELAIDEAN 2
Expert warns foreign subs will be duds Sun Foo of the Never ... 7

Oceania People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE