Democracy and poverty critical issues in Pacific r...

Oct 3, 2012 Full story: Scoop 546

Tonga's former Chief Justice Nigel Hampton QC believes democracy and the rule of law are pivotal to the Pacific, but related issues of poverty also need addressing.

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coaster

Hokitika, New Zealand

#532 Nov 24, 2012
Must_be_joking_me wrote:
<quoted text>That's right it says it all. It was a reaction to seeing something on here where some Maori was asking "why white people are jealous of Maori".
Jealous of what exactly?
why do u have to bring maori people to this chat peewee,if you didnt play with your little peewee so much maybe you wouldnt be so cross eyed,go back to joining your white biker bros and fuck some sheep,they white as youll get ,and your biker mates down south like doing that b4 u try and deny it,you fellas are always trying to stick something up your arse,does ridein scooters do that to yous ,
stupid

Suva, Fiji

#533 Nov 24, 2012
we lost out on main discussion..

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#534 Nov 25, 2012
Revolver of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Reading comprehension fail.
Your life is just one massive failathon isnt it?
Weak.
Must_be_joking_m e

Ashfield, Australia

#535 Nov 25, 2012
Tagata Folau O le Vasa wrote:
<quoted text>
Weak.
No it's the truth.

You're a bunch of dumb, inbred neolithic savages the world only laughs-at if they've even heard of you.

Now run along and take your primitive ways with you like you were supposed to in the 1970's.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#539 Dec 6, 2012
Must_be_joking_me wrote:
<quoted text>No it's the truth.
You're a bunch of dumb, inbred neolithic savages the world only laughs-at if they've even heard of you.
Now run along and take your primitive ways with you like you were supposed to in the 1970's.
Even weaker.

“Fight For Democracy in Tonga!!”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#540 Dec 7, 2012
The emerging capitalist class in Tonga, as represented by the Tongan National Business Association, aims to further its own class interests at the expense of Tongan "commoners." They see the feudal monarchy as an unwieldy obstacle to the proper "modernisation" and "liberalisation" of the Tongan economy. Ideally, they would like to see the "royal" and aristocratic monopoly on land ownership abolished, government-owned land privatised, the guarantee that allows every Tongan over 16 to lease 8 acres of government-owned land removed, large-scale agri-business set up and tourist resorts built. This process would force many "commoners" off the land and into wage-slavery in Tonga or overseas. They also want to end strong "restrictions" on commercial agriculture such as "stifling" export licences for export produce. They want to "open up" the Tongan economy to foreign ownership (which is currently prohibited) and the injection of overseas capital.

However, the pro-democracy movement shouldn't be confused with the Tongan National Business Association. For example, the HRDM seems to be a broad, and uneasy, cross-class coalition of workers, unionists, politicians, urban business elites (and expatriate capitalists overseas) and middle-class elements who've been university educated overseas. Information about the HRDM is sketchy. It appears, from the limited information available, that the HRDM's political aims are to get a higher percentage of "commoner" politicians elected in parliament and eventually a constitutional monarch along the lines of Britain. The Trotskyist World Socialist Website claim that its economic aims are to implement the demands of the IMF and World Bank.4 Yet it's possible that the WSWS may be confusing the HRDM's economic aims with those of the Tongan National Business Association. The Business Association are involved in the HRDM, but so too are social democrats such as "commoner" politician 'Akilisi Pohiva, who want to "share the wealth" of Tonga. Others involved in the broader pro-democracy movement don't support neoliberal policies, such as the People's Democratic Party, a leftist split from the HRDM.
inv

Tonga

#541 Dec 12, 2012
Must_be_joking_me wrote:
<quoted text>No it's the truth.
You're a bunch of dumb, inbred neolithic savages the world only laughs-at if they've even heard of you.
Now run along and take your primitive ways with you like you were supposed to in the 1970's.
Unlike you and other racists, I'm not a racist or think my race is the supreme race that ever blessed the earth with its presence.

I, and im sure plenty of other decent people, respect all races or ethnicities. Im sure there are people who are proud of their own ethnicities, but why would one go beyond that and put down other races, why go online and spread racism anonymously on some forum?

I think all racists on this from all races need to get out of their little imaginary bubbles they live in and experience other cultures in the world.
Revolver of Reason

Sydney, Australia

#542 Dec 12, 2012
Why would you be proud of your race?????

Did you pass a test to be part of it or something?
TONGAN WARRIOR

United States

#543 Dec 12, 2012
Revolver of Reason wrote:
Why would you be proud of your race?????
Did you pass a test to be part of it or something?
comming from a pumjabi that wishes he was white. smh
Revolver of Reason

Sydney, Australia

#544 Dec 12, 2012
TONGAN WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>comming from a pumjabi that wishes he was white. smh
Im not punjabi nor do I wish I am white, try again shit for brains.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#545 Dec 12, 2012
Revolver of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not punjabi nor do I wish I am white, try again shit for brains.
Poor lil Dravidian that craves to be white. You talk about the many contributions of India yet they haven't solved their own poverty or the leprosy epidemic that has ravaged India for centuries and centuries... so much for the curry munching rocket scientists. LOL hahaha
Revolver of Reason

Sydney, Australia

#546 Dec 12, 2012
Poly KING wrote:
<quoted text>Poor lil Dravidian that craves to be white. You talk about the many contributions of India yet they haven't solved their own poverty or the leprosy epidemic that has ravaged India for centuries and centuries... so much for the curry munching rocket scientists. LOL hahaha
And the village idiot chimes in again, brilliant!
TONGAN DOLE BLUDGER

Auckland, New Zealand

#547 Dec 12, 2012
TONGAN WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>comming from a pumjabi that wishes he was white. smh
Dole bludgey dole dole bludgey dole chuuur chuuur dole bludgey dole dole bludgey bludgey dole dole.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#548 Dec 12, 2012
Revolver of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
And the village idiot chimes in again, brilliant!
the poor Dravidian leper... how bad was it, that your outcast ancestors felt the need to move all the way to Fiji? poor creature.. LOL
Inv

Tonga

#549 Dec 12, 2012
boruone77 wrote:
The emerging capitalist class in Tonga, as represented by the Tongan National Business Association, aims to further its own class interests at the expense of Tongan "commoners." They see the feudal monarchy as an unwieldy obstacle to the proper "modernisation" and "liberalisation" of the Tongan economy. Ideally, they would like to see the "royal" and aristocratic monopoly on land ownership abolished, government-owned land privatised, the guarantee that allows every Tongan over 16 to lease 8 acres of government-owned land removed, large-scale agri-business set up and tourist resorts built. This process would force many "commoners" off the land and into wage-slavery in Tonga or overseas. They also want to end strong "restrictions" on commercial agriculture such as "stifling" export licences for export produce. They want to "open up" the Tongan economy to foreign ownership (which is currently prohibited) and the injection of overseas capital.
However, the pro-democracy movement shouldn't be confused with the Tongan National Business Association. For example, the HRDM seems to be a broad, and uneasy, cross-class coalition of workers, unionists, politicians, urban business elites (and expatriate capitalists overseas) and middle-class elements who've been university educated overseas. Information about the HRDM is sketchy. It appears, from the limited information available, that the HRDM's political aims are to get a higher percentage of "commoner" politicians elected in parliament and eventually a constitutional monarch along the lines of Britain. The Trotskyist World Socialist Website claim that its economic aims are to implement the demands of the IMF and World Bank.4 Yet it's possible that the WSWS may be confusing the HRDM's economic aims with those of the Tongan National Business Association. The Business Association are involved in the HRDM, but so too are social democrats such as "commoner" politician 'Akilisi Pohiva, who want to "share the wealth" of Tonga. Others involved in the broader pro-democracy movement don't support neoliberal policies, such as the People's Democratic Party, a leftist split from the HRDM.
I live and work in Tonga but have not heard of these associations. I think it's a bit extreme to say that anyone wants to create wage slaves. We should review the land rights, not many people have their own land anyways, those that do push up the price because they can. A free market of land is a more efficient way of allocating resources. The land laws only benefit those that have land, especially those with a lot of land.
People need jobs, jobs come from businesses, businesses from investments
Dickhead

Renton, WA

#550 Dec 13, 2012
Inv wrote:
<quoted text>
I live and work in Tonga but have not heard of these associations. I think it's a bit extreme to say that anyone wants to create wage slaves. We should review the land rights, not many people have their own land anyways, those that do push up the price because they can. A free market of land is a more efficient way of allocating resources. The land laws only benefit those that have land, especially those with a lot of land.
People need jobs, jobs come from businesses, businesses from investments
How much land can you possibly own in a country that consists of 200 odd square miles!
inv

Tonga

#551 Dec 13, 2012
Dickhead wrote:
<quoted text>
How much land can you possibly own in a country that consists of 200 odd square miles!
People can own enough, the population is not that high. Its not like a desert, the oceans around us have much bounty too and where lots of people can and still do go out get all they need from it.

Land is rare enough, but when there are laws that prohibit the sale of land, it doesnt benefit the poor, only big landowners. This is relative of course, there are probably landowners in Aus that have more land than the whole of Tonga. It is an island, so there's no shame in there not being much land compared to the continents.

Since: Nov 11

Auckland, New Zealand

#552 Dec 14, 2012
Revolver of Reason wrote:
Why would you be proud of your race?????
Did you pass a test to be part of it or something?
Once again, why do you care?? And why are you even in the Fiji Forum when you made it perfectly clear that you do not like them?? Answer these questions instead of avoiding them...

“Fight For Democracy in Tonga!!”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#553 Dec 15, 2012
this is an interesting video on the Colonial takeover of Hawaii
maybe it's a wake-up call that even in the great old USA is a wolf in sheep's clothing
http://youtu.be/GbRXF64YotE
Revolver of Reason

Sydney, Australia

#554 Dec 16, 2012
InCrEaSe_ThE_PeAcE wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, why do you care?? And why are you even in the Fiji Forum when you made it perfectly clear that you do not like them?? Answer these questions instead of avoiding them...
I was born there.

My family have lived there for generations.

My people made that plce what it is or was.

I own vast land holdings there

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