Australia's boom is anything but for its Aboriginal people | John Pilger

Apr 28, 2013 Full story: The Guardian 128

The story of the first Australians is still poverty and humiliation, while their land yields the world's biggest resources boom 'Black Australians are stereotyped as violent, yet the violence routinely meted out to them by authority is of A little interest.' Illustration by Andrzej Krauze Eleven miles by ferry from Perth is Western Australia's ... (more)

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Gatsby

Irvine, CA

#1 Apr 28, 2013
Pilger that Australian prick. Vile Antiamerican. Now he trashes his own in Brit paper. For what. The Aborigine. Yeah right. Just like Assange. Big goddamn ego. Hypocrite. Disloyal. Worst kind of prick in my book.
Humbert is a chinaman

Australia

#3 Apr 28, 2013
Gatsby wrote:
Pilger that Australian prick. Vile Antiamerican. Now he trashes his own in Brit paper. For what. The Aborigine. Yeah right. Just like Assange. Big goddamn ego. Hypocrite. Disloyal. Worst kind of prick in my book.
quiet down rice eater
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#4 Apr 28, 2013
Gatsby wrote:
Pilger that Australian prick. Vile Antiamerican. Now he trashes his own in Brit paper. For what. The Aborigine. Yeah right. Just like Assange. Big goddamn ego. Hypocrite. Disloyal. Worst kind of prick in my book.
you have a book of pricks...(lol)...what else would one expect from a shemale paedophile...(lol)...back to the sweatshop noodle slurper...(lol)...I need new nike knockoffs...(lol)
Jenny Lee

Taipei, Taiwan

#5 Apr 28, 2013
I have no words

If after reading this article you don't have a tear in your eye, you must not be human. What kind of monsters can do this to other people even today?
Bertram

Australia

#6 Apr 28, 2013
Jenny Lee wrote:
I have no words
If after reading this article you don't have a tear in your eye, you must not be human. What kind of monsters can do this to other people even today?
Sounds like how alot of people were treated back in those days. The world was and still is a nasty place
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#7 Apr 28, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>
you have a book of pricks...(lol)...what else would one expect from a shemale paedophile...(lol)...back to the sweatshop noodle slurper...(lol)...I need new nike knockoffs...(lol)
False Foo.......stop using my name tosser , you'll give me a swelled head.....(lol).....Actually I agree with some of Pilgers ramblings , but I suspect he has simply targeted a controversial topic , in order to promote his own sorry arse for financial gain....a pity really , attention junkies are good for no one ,(including Aboriginal Australians), because they never get it right.
Jenny Lee

Taipei, Taiwan

#8 Apr 28, 2013
Bertram wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like how alot of people were treated back in those days. The world was and still is a nasty place
"Eco-tourism is also booming. The Kimberley region is popular with Europeans. Last year, 40 Aboriginal youngsters killed themselves there, a 100-fold increase. When I first reported on indigenous Australia a generation ago, black suicide was rare. Today, the despair is so profound that the second cause of Aboriginal death is suicide. It is booming."

That is in the PRESENT.
Bertram

Australia

#9 Apr 28, 2013
Jenny Lee wrote:
<quoted text>
"Eco-tourism is also booming. The Kimberley region is popular with Europeans. Last year, 40 Aboriginal youngsters killed themselves there, a 100-fold increase. When I first reported on indigenous Australia a generation ago, black suicide was rare. Today, the despair is so profound that the second cause of Aboriginal death is suicide. It is booming."
That is in the PRESENT.
That is something only the indigenous can fix themselves, they get more help than any other group of people in Australia. The indigenous leaders need to stand up on this issue
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#10 Apr 28, 2013
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>False Foo.......stop using my name tosser , you'll give me a swelled head.....(lol).....Actually I agree with some of Pilgers ramblings , but I suspect he has simply targeted a controversial topic , in order to promote his own sorry arse for financial gain....a pity really , attention junkies are good for no one ,(including Aboriginal Australians), because they never get it right.
Overdose on crack...(lol)...I don't even remember writing the above crap...(lol)
Hey Jessie

Taipei, Taiwan

#11 Apr 28, 2013
Bertram wrote:
<quoted text>That is something only the indigenous can fix themselves, they get more help than any other group of people in Australia. The indigenous leaders need to stand up on this issue
I'll reserve judgement for now, but promise I will do more research on this.

The statistics are shocking though. The mortality rate, unemployment, poverty, homelessness... At the very least, the help you speak of must not be having any effect or having the reverse effect. Keeping them in remote desert camps is not HELP, that is not the solution, neither is beating them up when they come into the cities.

Seems to me they are shunned away from society, likely they reject white people too. There isn't a healthy relationship between Aboriginal and (white) urban Aussie people. I would not be surprised if the Aboriginals do not trust the urban or modern Aussie due to past and present atrocities. And if they are kept out and away from cities and ill treated when they do come in, then this will only increase the mistrust.

An idea- how about running hostels for aboriginal children run by educated dark skinned curly haired americans or other teachers who look more like them. The children might identify with such teachers, certainly trust them more. The Hostels should be away from the aboriginal camps, and MUST BE IN MAJOR CITIES. Let them live in such hostels five days a week and go home in the weekends. Or if the camps are too far then let them back once a month. Separating them from broken and non functional families or cultures is a good idea. But not enforced and permanent like the 'stolen generation attempt'(which was logically sound as far as its objectives were, only not acceptable to humans emotionally. Make the hostel or boarding schools comfortable and well equipped with good teachers, preferably with many curly haired dark skinned teachers but with few whites too introduced later to help build confidence and trust.
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#13 Apr 28, 2013
Hey Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll reserve judgement for now, but promise I will do more research on this.
The statistics are shocking though. The mortality rate, unemployment, poverty, homelessness... At the very least, the help you speak of must not be having any effect or having the reverse effect. Keeping them in remote desert camps is not HELP, that is not the solution, neither is beating them up when they come into the cities.
It sounds like you really have no idea of the situation , apart from media and government reported statistics. It's my opinion that welfare dependance has been wrongly forced upon a great % of the indigenous population....it's basically a pommy thing , and it has been perpetuated by conservative governments over many years. If you researched the positive achievements of those who have broken this cycle , you would find that they are steadily inspiring more communities ,Australia wide to do the same with a lot of success....that's not easy to do , considering history , and what they've had to deal with....you should remember this , and have more respect , rather than becoming some kind of "do-good sympathiser".....it's respect they want , just go ask 'em...."RESPECT" is a very important word in modern Aboriginal culture........they earn it fair and square , but there's to many welchers that refuse to pay up......
ppl r stupid

Nedlands, Australia

#15 Apr 29, 2013
OK, have you heard give a fish a man will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and they will eat for life?

Or the modified version, teach a man to fish and they will need to get a license and buy insurance etc.

OK, before i let you peasants know why aboriginals in Australia are delinquent let me tell you, the elders are part of the problem as you will see they benefit of the current system.

So this is the problem in order of importance

1. Governments can spend beyond their means by use of a printing press. Government has grown into a social dictator ship forcing people with violence to redistribute their wealth to what ever crazy idea the governments friends want them to throw money at.

2. White ppl fucked aboriginals over big big time, that hate is being carried over onto the next generation. This coupled with problem X (explained later) is brewing pure delinquency among the aboriginal community. Child abuse, drug abuse, violence, suicide, homelessness etc.

3. Problem X, the government fucks up every thing it touches as their monopolies has no free market discipline. For example in perth you can only have one casino. No competition for that casino mean it costs more and quality is going to the shit EXCEPT in the high roller rooms where whales can piss off over seas to another casino.

So problem X is the aboriginals now get government money. Go to Roebourne, and what will you see? A Centre Link smack bang dead center in the town. The elders are a middle man for government money and profit. Plus they fuck drunk kids!

Take that atm away and the sloths would soon sober up and take pride in their skills to acquire FOOD, SHELTER AND WHAT EVER, CAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO EARN IT.

lastly the most scary fucking thing is!! HOW DUMB IS THE COMMON MAN!

Hitler could make up any lie in Germany and send the troops to war. Nothing has changed, you people need to wake up!
aaa

Anonymous Proxy

#16 Apr 29, 2013
Abos get MORE unemployment, ausstudy and single parent payments than non-abo.

They get free training, interest free government loans, preference when applying for government jobs and they virtually cant get fired from a job or they cry racist.

Even with all that, they still manage to be the most pathetic, lazy, drug addicted, stupid petrol sniffing alcoholics in the known world.
Wake up

East Ballina, Australia

#17 Apr 29, 2013
@ hey Jesse ... Loll you made me laugh . Get people of darker skin to help integrate. If they won't be taught by white people what chance do they have integrating into wider society . Typical comment from someone who hasn't lived amongst them . They cause most of the outrageous crimes against each other , however this is not reported on . Can't make negative moments about a minority .
Hey Jessie

Taipei, Taiwan

#18 Apr 29, 2013
I have read all you posts (by foo, ppl r stupid, aaa, and Wake up).

I will admit I have very little idea of the situation n the ground. So yes I can be wrong. Its just reading that article that moved me to post here, and I wanna do something about this. You can imagine this in Africa or India. But that it still happens in Australia, an advanced and rich country is perhaps more of a judgement on all us humans and is very telling of our failures still, even in our heights of so called success.

One thing is for sure a lot more thought needs to go into this. Now that we have the public apologies aside and we all know most aussies have their hearts in the right place, question is- What are we still doing wrong? Clearly throwing a lot of money at it is not working. CHARITY IS NEVER A LASTING SOLUTION. In the short term maybe, but the very NEED FOR CHARITY IS AN INDICATION OF FAILURE of the system. I am not saying close down all aid and let them all either steal or starve. But it certainly should not be the main focus. And continued welfare WILL ALWAYS result in welfare dependency for most people, which will soon enough turn into alcohol and drug dependency, specially if education and skill development are not also part of the process of rehabilitation.

How about a conditional welfare system like a school where those in need are given five star quality lunches to entice (so no force required) for attending short foundational classes in English, where they are read great works by Mark Twain, Bertrand Russell, Paul Adams, Shaw, Keats, Frost as well as other authors of non European descent.

@'wake up'- looks do matter. If you are not white and had seen 'your kind' been ill treated frequently by people who looked white, most likely you will not easily trust a white skinned person. Police is often heavy handed, and if you are drunk and a menace, any likely interaction with police is not going to be a gentle and kind experience, white or non white. If that is the only interaction you have with white or city folk, your impression is going to limited to the bad and harsh only. Even when positive meetings take place, and even when you slowly learned to trust SOME of them, the distrust will still be there at the back of your mind. And you could reverse skin color and expect the same result yet again (so all young black men are potential robbers in a gas pump in USA) If aboriginals are not trusting whites then having non white teachers is just common sense (temporarily of course). Then introduce gentle mild mannered white teachers, while the non white teachers should still be the more authoritative disciplinarian as well as the final go to guy to solve problems (Principal). Play good teacher bad teacher,(only don't make the bad teacher white). Maybe children from such schools will grow up with a whole different set of assumptions about white or urban people, and about themselves too.

'ppl r stupid' makes a number of very valid points.
Specially govt monopolies and curbing of free markets. But govt. will always have a role to play, to regulate etc. The balance is what must be gotten right.(like do you really need a 100 casinos in Aus right now?)

One thing is certain, feeling guilty and throwing money at the problem is not working (as most posters already noted). Being rational is always the need of the hour, and solutions are best worked out when emotions do not do the thinking for us. Both aborigines and whites need to move away from the past. They need a new start, and newer (positive) ways to engage with each other, with equity, individual rights, love (even kinship) and logic prioritized well over mere empty gestures of respect and honor.

-RH
Bertram

Australia

#19 Apr 29, 2013
Hey Jessie wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll reserve judgement for now, but promise I will do more research on this.
The statistics are shocking though. The mortality rate, unemployment, poverty, homelessness... At the very least, the help you speak of must not be having any effect or having the reverse effect. Keeping them in remote desert camps is not HELP, that is not the solution, neither is beating them up when they come into the cities.
Seems to me they are shunned away from society, likely they reject white people too. There isn't a healthy relationship between Aboriginal and (white) urban Aussie people. I would not be surprised if the Aboriginals do not trust the urban or modern Aussie due to past and present atrocities. And if they are kept out and away from cities and ill treated when they do come in, then this will only increase the mistrust.
An idea- how about running hostels for aboriginal children run by educated dark skinned curly haired americans or other teachers who look more like them. The children might identify with such teachers, certainly trust them more. The Hostels should be away from the aboriginal camps, and MUST BE IN MAJOR CITIES. Let them live in such hostels five days a week and go home in the weekends. Or if the camps are too far then let them back once a month. Separating them from broken and non functional families or cultures is a good idea. But not enforced and permanent like the 'stolen generation attempt'(which was logically sound as far as its objectives were, only not acceptable to humans emotionally. Make the hostel or boarding schools comfortable and well equipped with good teachers, preferably with many curly haired dark skinned teachers but with few whites too introduced later to help build confidence and trust.
The thing is you cant help someone who wont help themselves. In Africa kids walk 10 mikes to and from school and are grateful for the chance, Aborigines get paid to get their kids to school and if they cant someone drives around and picks them up, even then they still dont get to school
Rauf lala

Ashburn, VA

#20 Apr 30, 2013
Inshallah I'll marry an aborgine and have lots of mixed babies.
oskar

Lithuania

#21 Apr 30, 2013
go for it
Jenny Lee

Taipei, Taiwan

#22 Apr 30, 2013
Bertram wrote:
<quoted text>The thing is you cant help someone who wont help themselves. In Africa kids walk 10 mikes to and from school and are grateful for the chance, Aborigines get paid to get their kids to school and if they cant someone drives around and picks them up, even then they still dont get to school
Are you saying that when it comes to the aborigines, their attitudes and behaviors are less due to their prior life experiences (with city folk, police for instance) and more to do with their genes. That they are wired differently from birth? If that is true then the possible part solution I offered maybe useless.

But I think both are always factors for any people, our genes do determine how we react to a certain situation, but the experiences we learned from already, determines a lot more how we react to future events.

I think the Aborigines of Australia have had a different set of experiences since birth, personal life experiences as well as the history they learn (about past atrocities), than the africans. Would they then feel comfortable going to an institution run by the very same people (ie looking the same, speaking the same = white english speaking). White english speaking people may have had a huge change of heart (major hearts overhaul) in the past few short decades, but do they know, have they had many positive experiences with white english or other city folk that would give them a peek into your (current) hearts.(not counting the hand outs)

One thing I'll readily admit, white Caucasian livers can digest more alcohol than other races, no contest. Also less educated people have less things to imagine about, they do not care much for fantasy, and alcohol is wasted on them. They aren't likely to sit around in a pool of their own (or inspired) imaginations when drunk. So that alcohol is likely going to 'come out' in other ways.
Foo

Perth, Australia

#23 Apr 30, 2013
Chinese people rock! We need more in Australia to teach you whites how to eat and some manners

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