PM pledge to workers: penalty rates will be sacred

Mar 14, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: smh.com.au

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has vowed to enshrine in law the principle that working outside of normal business hours should attract higher pay.

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Are they under threat? and if so by whom?
Labor are claiming 70000 jobs created from the economy last month.....where and what were those jobs? Does that number include jobs lost....mmmm, interesting.
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Since you dont even work, why the f*ck should anyone care what you think.
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So called 'Penalty' rates are an absurdity and always have been.
Work is Work, whether performed in the usual apathetic Aussie 'Go Slow' mode on Friday or Sunday. What's the difference where mediocrity is the accepted standard?
Consider yourselves lucky to have a job you slack -arsed, layabout Peasants being mindful that Monkeys rightfully get paid peanuts.

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Joe Schmoe wrote:
So called 'Penalty' rates are an absurdity and always have been.
Work is Work, whether performed in the usual apathetic Aussie 'Go Slow' mode on Friday or Sunday. What's the difference where mediocrity is the accepted standard?
Consider yourselves lucky to have a job you slack -arsed, layabout Peasants being mindful that Monkeys rightfully get paid peanuts.
Rubbish.
You want people to give up their free time over and above normal working hours you pay extra for it.
You don't want to pay for it, fine, do the extra work yourself.
Don't whinge if people decide not to work overtime if there's no incentive for doing so.
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Times have changed ('GFC'/Recession) so if largely unskilled/semi-skilled workers (Sales staff/Waiters/Labourers/S..t Kickers etc) need money for Rent/'Ciggies'/6-pack and 'The Kids' etc., they will work for fixed rates -'24/7' if necessary.

Beggars can't be choosy!
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Are they under threat? and if so by whom?
Labor are claiming 70000 jobs created from the economy last month.....where and what were those jobs? Does that number include jobs lost....mmmm, interesting.
Penalty rates are always under threat when there's a Liberal government , or have you recently migrated to Australia from the moon ?....Workchoices was actually real ! yes , it was real and actually existed....it was not a story created by the media.......(lol)....and lookout , it may be coming back to your local industry..........the claim of 70,000 jobs is also true.....they just quoted it from reality , they didn't just claim it sausage head....it's a real figure accepted by both sides , not an unsubstantiated story.......silly Moaner.....(lol)
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Joe Schmoe wrote:
Times have changed ('GFC'/Recession) so if largely unskilled/semi-skilled workers (Sales staff/Waiters/Labourers/S..t Kickers etc) need money for Rent/'Ciggies'/6-pack and 'The Kids' etc., they will work for fixed rates -'24/7' if necessary.
Beggars can't be choosy!
So you'd actually flip burgers all day Sunday on a flat rate ?.....good luck with that.....what about church ?

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Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Penalty rates are always under threat when there's a Liberal government , or have you recently migrated to Australia from the moon ?....Workchoices was actually real ! yes , it was real and actually existed....it was not a story created by the media.......(lol)....and lookout , it may be coming back to your local industry..........the claim of 70,000 jobs is also true.....they just quoted it from reality , they didn't just claim it sausage head....it's a real figure accepted by both sides , not an unsubstantiated story.......silly Moaner.....(lol)
5.5% of the population out of work and we are in the best position financially than we have been since god was a boy and yet they can't improve on that, the unemployment rate is up by a 1% not down. Anyhow where are these so called 70,000 jobs, you didn't actually say? Probably on paper in Swannee boys office, along with the imaginary surplus!
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Foo wrote:
<quoted text>So you'd actually flip burgers all day Sunday on a flat rate ?.....good luck with that.....what about church ?
You appear to have an extraordinary fascination with 'Burgers' the excess consumption of which I suspect has created your portly self not to mention that of 'Wifey' and/or, worse, your feral offspring with their equally rotund Grandkids.
After you have purged the 'Macca' wrappers from the 'Holl-Dunn' or 'Fal-Cunn' upon return to your humble 'Low rent' flood plain abode do you then do your 'Gramp' thing and offer the little Shi..ers 'Horsey' rides?
I guess that's when you also practice your characteristic 'LOL' signature routine.
I can visualise you now - LOL!(Really)

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Foo wrote:
<quoted text>Penalty rates are always under threat when there's a Liberal government , or have you recently migrated to Australia from the moon ?....Workchoices was actually real ! yes , it was real and actually existed....it was not a story created by the media.......(lol)....and lookout , it may be coming back to your local industry..........the claim of 70,000 jobs is also true.....they just quoted it from reality , they didn't just claim it sausage head....it's a real figure accepted by both sides , not an unsubstantiated story.......silly Moaner.....(lol)
The 70000 figure is a falacy as reported in the press.
What's wrong with getting a flat rate of pay Foo ?
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Joe Schmoe wrote:
Times have changed ('GFC'/Recession) so if largely unskilled/semi-skilled workers (Sales staff/Waiters/Labourers/S..t Kickers etc) need money for Rent/'Ciggies'/6-pack and 'The Kids' etc., they will work for fixed rates -'24/7' if necessary.
Beggars can't be choosy!
And I'm guessing you would be the opportunistic kind of employer who would take full advantage of people's desperation. We shouldn't live just to work like dogs and then die. This is not a third world country yet!
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The 70000 figure is a falacy as reported in the press.
What's wrong with getting a flat rate of pay Foo ?
Basically Neville , the working week works quite well at 40 hrs ( or 35 hrs).......outside of that , people have social lives ....they also have kids to raise and take to sport etc etc , and other responsibilities such as maintainance of the home , lawnmowing painting, maintaining a vehicle maybe (so they can get to work on time), plus a thousand other things that I can't think of.....if you think people exist for the sole purpose of providing labor to an employer , thats your problem . Are you pro-slavery or somethin'?........The 70,000 jobs were recorded and released publicly , independant of the government....the government just quoted the figures (as government usually do....)if you have a need to question the figures , take it up with the survey research company that provided them.....if a tabloid newspaper disputes the figures , they should do the same.....and if you tell your boss that you are willing to work on Sundays for the same rate as weekdays , I'm sure he will allow you to do that......(lol)
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I'm just wondering what the Murdoch press will come up with , if unemployment continues to drop , and the economy starts to pump again....if it does , they won't be happy about it at all !...let's wait and see.......(lol)
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And I'm guessing you would be the opportunistic kind of employer who would take full advantage of people's desperation. We shouldn't live just to work like dogs and then die. This is not a third world country yet!
Couldn't agree more LMR.....if the boss gets busy , his crew usually pitches in and works more hours. If the boss stays busy , he soon puts on a few extra hands to help lower the unemployment figures. No one needs to work their hole out.....
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LMR wrote:
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And I'm guessing you would be the opportunistic kind of employer who would take full advantage of people's desperation. We shouldn't live just to work like dogs and then die. This is not a third world country yet!
Who said anything about 'working like dogs' as you put it.
Unskilled/Semi-skilled people are dreaming if they think their dubious perhaps pitiful offerings are somehow 'Worth' more on Sunday than say on Monday. No, not Monday, say Tuesday since the former is the traditional 'Sickie' day for the so called hard done by 'Whirk-aahhs'.
They should consider themselves lucky to have a effing job - if not then let them eat cake.
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I'm just wondering what the Murdoch press will come up with , if unemployment continues to drop , and the economy starts to pump again....if it does , they won't be happy about it at all !...let's wait and see.......(lol)
I really don't think Murdoch has any allegiance to either political party. His power lays in manipulating whichever party is in power to do his bidding.
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You appear to have an extraordinary fascination with 'Burgers'(
No fascination Joe , although I eat them occasionally (home made only)....it's just that I equate you with standing in a greasy take away shop flipping them , while daydreaming about being a lawyer and drinking lot's of Gognac..........lol)
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Rubbish.
You want people to give up their free time over and above normal working hours you pay extra for it.
You don't want to pay for it, fine, do the extra work yourself.
Don't whinge if people decide not to work overtime if there's no incentive for doing so.
Yes, but reduce the penalty to something like 10%.
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<quoted text>Couldn't agree more LMR.....if the boss gets busy , his crew usually pitches in and works more hours. If the boss stays busy , he soon puts on a few extra hands to help lower the unemployment figures. No one needs to work their hole out.....
Exactly. If the workers had never agitated for better conditions then we'd still be working a 6-day week from dawn till dusk in treacherous conditions. What for? The French have the right idea; they strenuously defend their short working week and they have excellent lifestyles and their productivity is not lagging because of it.

There seem to be in this country at the moment 2 sets of working people - those who work too many hours and those who cannot get enough hours to work. It would be better to impose a shorter working week so that the hours could actually be spread more evenly amongst more of the population.
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Who said anything about 'working like dogs' as you put it.
Unskilled/Semi-skilled people are dreaming if they think their dubious perhaps pitiful offerings are somehow 'Worth' more on Sunday than say on Monday. No, not Monday, say Tuesday since the former is the traditional 'Sickie' day for the so called hard done by 'Whirk-aahhs'.
They should consider themselves lucky to have a effing job - if not then let them eat cake.
Professionals work 60-80+ hour weeks which means that they are getting paid less for real work as opposed to some fat slob who stands behind a cash register all day.

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