Obama's dilemma: No good options in Syria

May 2, 2013 Full story: Jerusalem Post 102

Washington Watch: Going to war on faulty - and probably intentionally misleading - intelligence about weapons of mass destruction had to weigh on Obama's mind.

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Avenger

Kitchener, Canada

#22 May 2, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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I read that very heartbreaking may Allah give them patience another example of Assad's regime and the murdering scumbags they r.
Yep awful
Syrian

New London, CT

#23 May 3, 2013
Red East wrote:
Here's your best option Obama - tell the West and your Arab lackeys to stop arming the insurgents, and force everyone to the table. Because the SNC has no credibility, not even to the Syrians, the field commanders will not lay down their arms even if the SNC agrees to peace. That is why the West has to turn off the faucet. Otherwise, Syria will in civil war for years, even if Assad falls (and I hope he does not). Listen to your voters Obama.
It's best for the West to just stay out of this conflict!
Aztec

Portland, OR

#24 May 3, 2013
Michael wrote:
Okay...let's say that the West does NOTHING, and Assad manages to win the civil war and completely crush the rebel opposition. Do you really think Syria will be at peace then?
A Shi'a power elite ruling over a Sunni majority state? What caused this brutal war in the first place? Can you promise that even if one war ends, another will not occur for the same reasons several years later?
Assad offered them elections; they refused. Why? Probably they think that killing each other is better option.
ocxz

Reunion

#25 May 3, 2013
Hitty wrote:
Assad is only playing by the rulebook his father left him. When Hafez Al Assad and led by Rifaat , his brother, slaughtered 30,000 mostly civilians in Hama because they wanted to be free of the Aliwite domination, the world looked the other way, and Rifaat, with blood still on his hands,was received with open arms and retired in London and bought 30 small hotels there and over 100 apartments in Paris and Marbella to fund his retirement, no doubt with savings from his puny military salary.
The UN didn't pass , or even try to pass, a resolution condemning this massacre, or try to seize his assets.
Today Rifaat gives interviews denying any role in the well documented massacre, that makes Sbernica seem like a picnic bash, and his nephew is right in wondering " what's 20,000 dead among friends, you didn't act up then, why are you so upset now". Russia, with its own history of civilian shelling, doesn't want the precedent of such a condemnation, for what it plans to do again and again to its minorities. Ditto China and its slaughter of 10,000 students in Tianmen Square (which everybody has conveniently forgot and forgiven). And the West does not want to interfere in any country that exports less than 1.5 mil barrels of oil or bombs its towers. Accordingly, this will go on for the next 5 years until the Syrian majority kamikazes its way out of this. Unless the regime commits Hara Kiri , first, which I doubt.
Speaking of that massacre is it 30000 or 20000 no one seem to be sure.
is there any documented information on this ?
sources ? link ?
ocxz

Reunion

#26 May 3, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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And wot makes u lost exactly?
Maybe the fact there is no logic.

Since: Apr 13

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#27 May 3, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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Speaking of that massacre is it 30000 or 20000 no one seem to be sure.
is there any documented information on this ?
sources ? link ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/from-th...

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/j...

Hafez can deny as much as he want but u also need to know that in those days the social media and media wasnt as big and it was also when the regime was at its peak they had mastered the art of suppression and murders while hiding it from public view very easily. One of the evidence was in the comment itself where it said that sure his salary from the military bought him hotels and apartments in the UK US loved the Assad regime and they always had a hatred for the Muslim brotherhood and has always been the regimes supporters it is only after US had decided to get rid of him he held hands with Russia china and Iran and they obviously dont want the presence of US that close to them they took him up to his offer. The fact people died u make it look so minor asking for proof in such way just wondering if u do same if ur one of ur daughters or sons or mother or ur father was killed as well.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#28 May 3, 2013
ocxz wrote:
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Maybe the fact there is no logic.
Any1 LOGICAL wud pinpoint the problem in an argument and show were it doesnt make sense hence my question not just comment and say that ur logic doesnt make sense that is a fools way of not being able to refute what was said to them or mayb they believe it is the truth and they cant swallow it. U on the otherhand r trying to ILLOGICALLY comment just for the SAKE of commenting and thats all. Cant believe I have actually explain it like that the amount of dumbness that exist in some people just eludes me.
Avenger

Kitchener, Canada

#30 May 3, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/from-th...
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/j...
Hafez can deny as much as he want but u also need to know that in those days the social media and media wasnt as big and it was also when the regime was at its peak they had mastered the art of suppression and murders while hiding it from public view very easily. One of the evidence was in the comment itself where it said that sure his salary from the military bought him hotels and apartments in the UK US loved the Assad regime and they always had a hatred for the Muslim brotherhood and has always been the regimes supporters it is only after US had decided to get rid of him he held hands with Russia china and Iran and they obviously dont want the presence of US that close to them they took him up to his offer. The fact people died u make it look so minor asking for proof in such way just wondering if u do same if ur one of ur daughters or sons or mother or ur father was killed as well.
They have no answers.
The Syrian Alawite police state killers are simply killing Sunnis and that's ok with them.
Why are 80% of the officers recruits at the academy Alawite when they are 12% of the population?
Why do they control all the top positions today?
Because it's a brutal Alawite dictatorship plain and simple.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#31 May 3, 2013
Avenger wrote:
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They have no answers.
The Syrian Alawite police state killers are simply killing Sunnis and that's ok with them.
Why are 80% of the officers recruits at the academy Alawite when they are 12% of the population?
Why do they control all the top positions today?
Because it's a brutal Alawite dictatorship plain and simple.
Hit it on the head their. It is only possible through suppression and cruelty that a minority ruling power doesnt allow the majority to hold higher positions in society. But u know every1 seems to believe that Assad achieved peace and people were living side by side by with each other.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#32 May 3, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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Hit it on the head their. It is only possible through suppression and cruelty that a minority ruling power doesnt allow the majority to hold higher positions in society. But u know every1 seems to believe that Assad achieved peace and people were living side by side by with each other.
and it would be different how with some other sect of a religious cult ruling? when has religious rule ever produced a functioning, moral modern state?

you'd just be trading one fanatical group for another.
Avenger

Kitchener, Canada

#33 May 3, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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Hit it on the head their. It is only possible through suppression and cruelty that a minority ruling power doesnt allow the majority to hold higher positions in society. But u know every1 seems to believe that Assad achieved peace and people were living side by side by with each other.
Well said
Protect Yourself

Watertown, NY

#34 May 3, 2013
Best option is for Russia/USA call for both sides to cease all fighting & force a negotiation between representative groups from both sides with China mediating.

Russia should supervise a destruction/burial of any chemical munitions.

If the 2 sides cannot come to an agreement then World Powers will need to make the hard decisions again.
hmphh

United States

#35 May 3, 2013
So, to hold a higher position in America, you need to spend millions and be beholden to special interests. I frankly don't see much difference.
hmphh

United States

#36 May 3, 2013
Protect Yourself wrote:
Best option is for Russia/USA call for both sides to cease all fighting & force a negotiation between representative groups from both sides with China mediating.
Russia should supervise a destruction/burial of any chemical munitions.
If the 2 sides cannot come to an agreement then World Powers will need to make the hard decisions again.
Assad would never agree to destroy chemical weapons while Israel has nukes and if Assad falls, those chemical weapons will fall into hands that won't need an excuse of self-defense to use them against Israel,(after the non-Sunnis are cleansed from Syria), so an intervention all boils down to 'heads no one wins, tails we all lose'.(al Qaeda and its supporters excluded of course).

Strange how the main stream news now has military analysts talking of the chaos and radicalization taking place in Libya and its neighbor, Mali and Benghazi should have been no surprise from this failed experiment.

Why now? What are they trying to warn us of? Don't scratch your heads too hard.

Good luck with this conundrum, world leaders.
arthur

Australia

#37 May 3, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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Hit it on the head their. It is only possible through suppression and cruelty that a minority ruling power doesnt allow the majority to hold higher positions in society. But u know every1 seems to believe that Assad achieved peace and people were living side by side by with each other.
They still give access to internet at longbay or goulbourn or silverwater I see.Juice buying business on the cheap don't pay.Mate.
http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/juice-bar-owner-suspe...

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#38 May 3, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>and it would be different how with some other sect of a religious cult ruling? when has religious rule ever produced a functioning, moral modern state?
you'd just be trading one fanatical group for another.
U obviously do not believe in religion cos all u c is destruction caused by a religion and not the fact that its is not the religion itself but people who use it. I dont speak of any other religion but ISLAM in terms of its history . U can look at its is history which is a testament to itself that justice and peace prevailed for several years. When Islam was at its peak they were modern for their own time Musims invented Algebra and Algorithm modern society is largely based on these 2. I suggest u do a little UNBIASED research before coming to any conclusions.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#39 May 3, 2013
arthur wrote:
<quoted text>They still give access to internet at longbay or goulbourn or silverwater I see.Juice buying business on the cheap don't pay.Mate.
http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/juice-bar-owner-suspe...
I am not in jail for starters so dont try and assume m8 ur just making ur self look stupid. Sunni Muslims? is there proof to that? and if it is true then I myself will lead the charge against Muslim youths who have done this cos Islam doesnt permit or condone such activities that is caused by their will and desires cos they r aggressors and wrong doers and it is these sort of youth which give us all a bad name. I wish they r punished severely for their crimes.
arthur

Melbourne, Australia

#40 May 4, 2013
Hitty wrote:
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I am not in jail for starters so dont try and assume m8 ur just making ur self look stupid. Sunni Muslims? is there proof to that? and if it is true then I myself will lead the charge against Muslim youths who have done this cos Islam doesnt permit or condone such activities that is caused by their will and desires cos they r aggressors and wrong doers and it is these sort of youth which give us all a bad name. I wish they r punished severely for their crimes.
LOL.The real question everyone,including ASIO and a myriad of other intelligence services should be asking is how do they funnel the money they asked the juice bar owner to "donate",to NUSRA in Syria.Perhaps through al-Qaeda in Iraq.That would be my guess.How do you think they get it to them?
arthur

Melbourne, Australia

#41 May 4, 2013
I assume you led the charge after Elomar and friends were a bit naughty earlier in the year.Or did you?
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/...

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#42 May 4, 2013
arthur wrote:
<quoted text>LOL.The real question everyone,including ASIO and a myriad of other intelligence services should be asking is how do they funnel the money they asked the juice bar owner to "donate",to NUSRA in Syria.Perhaps through al-Qaeda in Iraq.That would be my guess.How do you think they get it to them?
Funneling money is not a hard task these day if ur not busy laughing u will notice that we live in a world where money can be transferred electronically, I mean I thought unemployed people like u wud know that since uz r standing in front of the ATM every week waiting for it to be transferred. I am unware of the way they get money but how do u think Assad receives his money via the extremists in Iran or the politicians in Syria?

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