White Privilege: Exploring the (in)visibility of Pakeha whiteness

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Right – nobody is trying to have an argument about race and racism, and yet what we see on these boards on a daily basis is one Maori bashing thread after another. Race and racism are clearly issues that are being argued about daily. And with that being the case, it wouldn’t hurt to have some discussion about what these things actually mean.
You want to argue semantics, and go around correcting people, then claim a win. Missing the obvious point that they have stated in their post.

oh wait ....you just proved my point by doing exactly that.

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well I didnt say it or imply it did I? You leapt straight to that yourself. With your victim mentality. Instead of listening to the message.
whats so negative about a hard days work? How would that be a negative stereotype for Maori?? Something for your people to aspire to I would have thought.
The implication is crystal clear.

I’m not so sure I can believe you are so stupid that you cannot see how the comment about being “cut out for menial labor” and being “happiest when doing just that” isn’t playing on the stereotype of Maori being unfit for anything else and being happy-go-lucky about it at the same time.

In my opinion there is nothing negative in thinking or talking about a hard day’s work, but let’s not forget that the comment in question doesn’t actually discuss the value of work per se, but rather, who is fit for doing a certain type of work.

But wait – there’s more! If it wasn’t enough that we’re only fit for menial labor (oh wait, I’m sorry, it’s only “most” of us, because then it isn’t racist), at the end of the day, even this is just an aspiration.

And why is that? It couldn’t possibly be because we’re all lazy too, huh?

God forbid.

For F sake. Bring some game.

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well I didnt say it or imply it did I? You leapt straight to that yourself. With your victim mentality. Instead of listening to the message.
whats so negative about a hard days work? How would that be a negative stereotype for Maori?? Something for your people to aspire to I would have thought.
The implication is crystal clear.

I’m not so sure I can believe you are so stupid that you cannot see how the comment about being “cut out for menial labor” and being “happiest when doing just that” isn’t playing on the stereotype of Maori being unfit for anything else and being happy-go-lucky about it at the same time.

In my opinion there is nothing negative in thinking or talking about a hard day’s work, but let’s not forget that the comment in question doesn’t actually discuss the value of work per se, but rather, who is fit for doing a certain type of work.

But wait – there’s more! If it wasn’t enough that we’re only fit for menial labor (oh wait, I’m sorry, it’s only “most” of us, because then it isn’t racist), at the end of the day, even this is just an aspiration.

And why is that? It couldn’t possibly be because we’re all lazy too, huh?

God forbid.

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You want to argue semantics, and go around correcting people, then claim a win. Missing the obvious point that they have stated in their post.
oh wait ....you just proved my point by doing exactly that.
Semantics? Nah... there's a reason words like prejudice, discrimnation and racism exist, and good reasons not to conflate their meanings.

If it was all the same thing, then surely we'd only need one word?

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#147
Mar 24, 2013
 
Never mind a large proportion of Maori only being fit for menial work. Personally I wouldn't hire a Maori for ANY job.

And that's not being racist, it's called learning from one's mistakes.

As an employer, I've been burnt by employees on more than one occasion. And in every instance, the employees that caused me trouble were Maori.

Go to lunch on that one, Maori Guy!

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But wait – there’s more! If it wasn’t enough that we’re only fit for menial labor (oh wait, I’m sorry, it’s only “most” of us, because then it isn’t racist), at the end of the day, even this is just an aspiration.
hey dont shoot the messenger. I get to say its an aspiration because Maoris are not known for their work ethic. And thats putting it mildly. Truth hurts you eh big guy.

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Semantics? Nah... there's a reason words like prejudice, discrimnation and racism exist, and good reasons not to conflate their meanings.
If it was all the same thing, then surely we'd only need one word?
the more you post the more you prove my point. I realise there's a reason words like prejudice, discrimnation and racism exist, and good reasons not to conflate their meanings.

My point is that you needlessly bring attention to these semantics when you know full well what a man is trying to say. Splitting hairs I think they call it.

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#150
Mar 24, 2013
 
Interesting that you should bring up the lazy unemployable Maori setreotype though tmg. Wiki states that "A stereotype is a thought that may be adopted about specific types of individuals or certain ways of doing things, but that belief may or may not accurately reflect reality."

In this case the unemployment stats coupled with peoples experience would suggest that setreotype is somewhat accurate.

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the more you post the more you prove my point. I realise there's a reason words like prejudice, discrimnation and racism exist, and good reasons not to conflate their meanings.
My point is that you needlessly bring attention to these semantics when you know full well what a man is trying to say. Splitting hairs I think they call it.
You don’t have a point at all because I’m not “splitting hairs” over semantic shades of meaning.

Also, I didn’t actually say I didn’t understand what FTP meant. I know what he meant by “victim mentality” but I reject it for reasons already cited, most notably, that the discriminatory actions of the Crown were committed and are perpetuated in the physical world, not within the realm of imagination.

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Never mind a large proportion of Maori only being fit for menial work. Personally I wouldn't hire a Maori for ANY job.
And that's not being racist, it's called learning from one's mistakes.
As an employer, I've been burnt by employees on more than one occasion. And in every instance, the employees that caused me trouble were Maori.
Go to lunch on that one, Maori Guy!
No surprises here. Actually, choosing not to hire any Maori for any job is not only irrational but racist by definition. It’s also illegal.

I always knew you were a racist prick.

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Also, I didn’t actually say I didn’t understand what FTP meant.
Also I didnt actually say that you didnt understand what FTP meant. In fact my point was that you did understand.

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#154
Mar 25, 2013
 
...you did understand but chose to muddy the waters of his point with semantics. Get it now?

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I always knew you were a racist prick.
Snap!

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I always knew you were a racist prick.
you have been throwing the name calling around lately tmg....Ive heard it said that when someone runs out of game they resort to name calling....

and you of course look like any other savage when you do it.

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No surprises here. Actually, choosing not to hire any Maori for any job is not only irrational but racist by definition. It’s also illegal.
You're a fuckwit, Maori Guy. How can it be irrational when I have good reason to act in this way? I did say in my post that I'd been burned hiring Maori in the past, didn't I?

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No surprises here. Actually, choosing not to hire any Maori for any job is not only irrational but racist by definition. It’s also illegal.
I always knew you were a racist prick.
reality bites eh big guy?

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you have been throwing the name calling around lately tmg....Ive heard it said that when someone runs out of game they resort to name calling....
and you of course look like any other savage when you do it.
Sorry HD, I'm letting the team down...I just called him a fuckwit!

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Sorry HD, I'm letting the team down...I just called him a fuckwit!
never mind Guts...we will just employ some white priviledge in this case....

when you say it you are accurate and succinct.

when he does it - he is a savage.

God I love white privilege.

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No surprises here. Actually, choosing not to hire any Maori for any job is not only irrational but racist by definition. It’s also illegal.
I always knew you were a racist prick.
Maoris only hire white people when they need a brain to work something out for them.
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Personally I wouldn't hire a Maori for ANY job
You say that, yet you still think you aren't racist? Lol

You are offically at phase 3, when you reach phase 5 you'll be another TH's.

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