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“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#1 Aug 20, 2011
Interesting to read that the Office of the Children's Commissioner’s "Maori Parenting" report blames Maori family violence on Europeans. A new parenting programme targeted at Maoris tells them that prior to Europeans arriving, children were considered gifts from the gods and Maori families shunned child abuse.

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#2 Aug 20, 2011
The researchers suggested abuse arose only after Maoris were introduced to corporal punishment in European-run classrooms. Te Kahui Mana Ririki, the child advocacy group which commissioned the research, has reported a reduction in child abuse after running workshops based on its findings. Chair Dr Hone Kaa said "It will serve to demonstrate to Maori they don't have to believe they're inherently violent," he said.

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#3 Aug 20, 2011
Maori children were taught by Europeans that bad behaviour should be punished by physical violence, he said. This steered away from the traditional idea children were tapu and discipline should be avoided because it tamed the child's spirit.

“LEX TALIONIS”

Since: Jul 09

Auckland, New Zealand

#4 Aug 20, 2011
Err, have you not read any of Adam's posts? Apparently it is our fault that he caught the flu recently.

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#5 Aug 20, 2011
PC_Is_Marxism wrote:
Err, have you not read any of Adam's posts? Apparently it is our fault that he caught the flu recently.
Ah yes, apparently every time a Maori punches his partner in the head after the pub on a friday night, whitey is to blame for pouring alcohol down his neck.
Maoris fuggin ming

Melbourne, Australia

#6 Aug 20, 2011
Yes from what I can ascertain the hooooris obvious problems stem largely from atrocious parenting. The amount of times you see trashy Maori families parking their fat arses in Sydney's fast food outlets is incredible. Such a rich culture!

So often you see Maori parents losing the plot in public with their children, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if those bruises on the legs of those thug Maori kids I had to go to school with weren't really from after-school sports.

I'll never forget this one time I was on a train sitting near a Maori family whose parents were telling their young children to "always wear the cool clothes". It probably comes as no surprise to the white Kiwis reading this that these said parents idea of cool clothes was some garish collection of ill-matching and obviously expensive African-American rubbish.

This joke standard of parenting is clearly a big factor in why Maoris suck so much as a people.

And it comes to no surprise to me that the PC powers that be in NZ will try any approach that doesn't involve discipline and responsibility. I feel so sorry for NZ's decent people.
fcuksociety

Melbourne, Australia

#7 Aug 21, 2011
A Maori who does any sort of abuse to anyone is just as filthy as the white man that commited the same offence! Abuse has no colour or race you bunch of ignorant pigs! Get your heads out eachothers asses
Maoris fuggin ming

Melbourne, Australia

#8 Aug 21, 2011
fcuksociety wrote:
A Maori who does any sort of abuse to anyone is just as filthy as the white man that commited the same offence! Abuse has no colour or race you bunch of ignorant pigs! Get your heads out eachothers asses
I'm not denying that every culture has filthy abusers.

But Maoris seem to have far more than their fair share.

And abusers or not, Maoris generally seem like atrocious parents and providers. They seem to do everything wrong.
Adam Rangiaho

Hamilton, New Zealand

#9 Aug 21, 2011
Torqueing Heads wrote:
The researchers suggested abuse arose only after Maoris were introduced to corporal punishment in European-run classrooms. Te Kahui Mana Ririki, the child advocacy group which commissioned the research, has reported a reduction in child abuse after running workshops based on its findings. Chair Dr Hone Kaa said "It will serve to demonstrate to Maori they don't have to believe they're inherently violent," he said.
have you read it? i dont think you have....but first id like to say that you quoted some good news for a change..... you quote"...has reported a reduction..." aint that a good thing for maori? if it serves to reduce violence towards kids and it works, than its a good thing....

Ok heres what i think...... you need to get hold of the ..so called 'report' and have a read. i have....and its not a report, its a lit review. have you ever done a lit review? esp. at masters or doctorate level? do you know what a lit review is?

"An Historical Review of Literature of Traditional Maori Child
Rearing Practices in Pre-European Times" Professor Kuni Jenkins, PhD.

I know the professor. shes a lovely lady. 400 times brainier than you.

still, if the program works..,.thats a good thing.

“LEX TALIONIS”

Since: Jul 09

Auckland, New Zealand

#10 Aug 21, 2011
fcuksociety wrote:
A Maori who does any sort of abuse to anyone is just as filthy as the white man that commited the same offence! Abuse has no colour or race you bunch of ignorant pigs! Get your heads out eachothers asses
There are two points. Point one is that we do not condone or excuse poor behaviour from our fellow Whites. On the whole we shun such actions and advocate harsher penalties. Point two would be the acts and not typically the same. The vast majority of child murder is committed by Marios, and is brutal beyond belief. Their acts range from putting children in washing machines, to crushing babies for interrupting their video games.

If 'abuse has no colour or race' as you assert then we would see fairly static crime rates reflecting the demographics up to a point or two. Seeing as we don't, it is completely fair to ponder if Mario are genetically or culturally predisposed towards brutality and savagery.

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#11 Aug 21, 2011
fcuksociety wrote:
A Maori who does any sort of abuse to anyone is just as filthy as the white man that commited the same offence! Abuse has no colour or race you bunch of ignorant pigs! Get your heads out eachothers asses
Maoris have the highest rate of abuse related child head trauma in the world and the second highest rate of child murder, without the Maori equation NZ would be the safest place on earth to raise kids, with them it is one of the most dangerous. Since 1989 130 children have been murdered in NZ, 112 of them were of Maori descent, remember that Maoris represent 14.7% of the population. Starting to get the picture? Maori child murder is almost always the end result of months and sometimes years of sustained abuse involving several family members, experts tell us this is almost totally unique to Maori culture. Yes there are some cases of European child abuse, but we are not in the same ballpark.

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#12 Aug 21, 2011
Anyway getting back to the topic, Maori history professor Paul Moon, of Auckland University of Technology, dismissed the idea abuse began after the Europeans came. "The proposition that missionaries introduced violence, it's one of those allegations that entered the historical bloodstream and once it's in that bloodstream, it's hard to get out."

In his book about Maori cannibalism, Moon wrote that “infanticide was said by some early European visitors to Maori settlements to be widespread - particularly the killing of baby girls (who would never grow into warriors), taurekareka (slaves captured in battle), and half-caste children.” The four main methods of killing unwanted children were “compressing the temples of a child, strangulation, drowning the child in a stone-filled basket, and suffocation.”

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#13 Aug 21, 2011
It would seem the Maori's idea of parenting is an age-old practice and old habits die hard.
Jim Beam

Rotorua, New Zealand

#14 Aug 22, 2011
fcuksociety wrote:
A Maori who does any sort of abuse to anyone is just as filthy as the white man that commited the same offence! Abuse has no colour or race you bunch of ignorant pigs! Get your heads out eachothers asses
The White fulla doesn't try and blame his behaviour on another race wheas..........
anon

New Zealand

#15 Aug 22, 2011
i was just stopping at the atm on my way to work and seen a maori woman early 20s parked next to me give her 5or6 year old son a used nappy to dump on the ground while she was changing her kid in the back of her car,..just another example of good parenting,i wouldve got her rego but i wasnt sure what she was doing till theyd driven off and i seen the big stinking nappy on the ground, all to common sight in this city but never seen it happen.
disgusting
Maoris fuggin ming

Melbourne, Australia

#16 Aug 22, 2011
Torqueing Heads wrote:
<quoted text>Maoris have the highest rate of abuse related child head trauma in the world and the second highest rate of child murder, without the Maori equation NZ would be the safest place on earth to raise kids, with them it is one of the most dangerous. Since 1989 130 children have been murdered in NZ, 112 of them were of Maori descent, remember that Maoris represent 14.7% of the population. Starting to get the picture? Maori child murder is almost always the end result of months and sometimes years of sustained abuse involving several family members, experts tell us this is almost totally unique to Maori culture. Yes there are some cases of European child abuse, but we are not in the same ballpark.
From my basic observations of New Zealanders in Sydney it's hard for me not to get the strong feeling that Maoris have the highest social problems in NZ.

I'm not saying that these problems aren't unknown amongst the Anglos, the Islanders or the Asians and they've obviously all got their elements of trash.
But in the case of the Maoris I've come across being trash seems to be the norm and not the exception.
I think I've yet to meet a single Maori that didn't have some clearly obvious social/psychological flaw whether it be poor social graces, lazy attitude, aggression, poor morals, inferiority complex, the list could go on.

And it seems to me that the Maoris themselves cant seem capable of taking the hard yard to solve this.

But just one thing: are you SURE Maoris make up 14.7% of NZ's population?
I know this might come from the NZ census, but I've come across quite a few politically correct or trendy Kiwis of Anglo background who declared themselves "Maori" due to some Maori great-grandmother or some such rubbish (and why anyone would rather be Maori than Anglo-Saxon or Gaelic escapes me).
Would it be too much to consider that these could make up a significant proportion of this supposed 14.7%?
That Maori Guy

Union City, NJ

#18 Aug 22, 2011
anon wrote:
i was just stopping at the atm on my way to work and seen a maori woman early 20s parked next to me give her 5or6 year old son a used nappy to dump on the ground while she was changing her kid in the back of her car,..just another example of good parenting,i wouldve got her rego but i wasnt sure what she was doing till theyd driven off and i seen the big stinking nappy on the ground, all to common sight in this city but never seen it happen.
disgusting
LOL...Liar! How could you see all that from inside the nappy?

“Educating Utus”

Since: Aug 10

Papakura, New Zealand

#19 Aug 22, 2011
Maoris fuggin ming wrote:
<quoted text> But just one thing: are you SURE Maoris make up 14.7% of NZ's population?
I know this might come from the NZ census, but I've come across quite a few politically correct or trendy Kiwis of Anglo background who declared themselves "Maori" due to some Maori great-grandmother or some such rubbish (and why anyone would rather be Maori than Anglo-Saxon or Gaelic escapes me).
Would it be too much to consider that these could make up a significant proportion of this supposed 14.7%?
Yes the figure 14.7% is from the latest census, that percentage of the population ticked the box referring to Maori ethnicity, but as you've pointed out a lot of these so called "Maoris" are only 1/16 1/32 or less. Why these Europeans would want to identify as Maoris with all the stigma attached to that brand is beyond me. Interestingly part Maoris refuse to discuss blood quantams and tell us their "Maoriness" is about culture not race. But as they're quite clearly totally immersed in western culture but for a bone carving around their necks and the occasional visit to the marae, I'm beginning to wonder who are this mysterious group?
kevin

New Zealand

#20 Aug 23, 2011
What i don't understand is how Maori reckon it's 'neat' to have grandchildren when their son/daughter is a mere child themselves!(only 18yrs old!) whats wrong with this picture?

I overheard a 'loud' Maori lady belittle her white female friend on the Kaitaki because neither of the White woman's son's (30yr old & 25yr old) had any grandchildren!!!

I smiled after the little white lady, said 'Each to their Own! Penni!!!" then continued to explain her 30yr old was in a relationship with his girlfriend for 3yrs, both professional people who travel a lot! have bought there own house and she hears from them ever weekend! at this point in their lives they don't wants nor do they need kids! Ok, Penni!!! and her 25yr old son was still at home, he'd just completed his apprenticeship as a 'sparky' and didn't have a girlfriend! he gave up rugby & was (still) working in the weekends to save up for his dream car! and to go flating with some mates in town soon!

So what about you Penni??!??.....silence.

moral of the story:
Kids having kids is not the answer! esp. if you cant look after them Properly.

Since: Nov 08

Auckland

#21 Aug 23, 2011
That Maori Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL...Liar! How could you see all that from inside the nappy?
I'm not sure if you're seriously doubting the nappy incident or not. If you are, you've been out of the country for too long man.

I've seen this very same thing twice in just the last year or so. A truly inconsiderate and despicable act. On the first occasion there was a bin maybe 15 feet away! Quite coincidentally too, I'm sure, both times the offending degenerates were Maori.

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