Chisinau Recognizes Romanian As Official Language

Dec 5, 2013 Full story: Weekday Magazine 98

Moldova has endorsed Romanian as its language. The country's Constitutional Court has ruled that the "Moldovan" language will be replaced by Romanian as the former Soviet republic's official tongue.

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ddd

Bucharest, Romania

#46 Dec 30, 2013
SATU MARE answer this question.
We are the land of Europe where the native peoples and original here would need to speak a European language.
But Hungarians speak a non-European language, Asian language.
So what have territorial claims in another country.
Romanians speak a language eoropeana and more than that, they are words that prove this.

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#47 Dec 30, 2013
roman prost...answer the question....what country existed in the Carpathian basin in 896? what country did we (Magyar) conquer? name battles?
Didn't slavs not migrate to their present locations in the 6th century? maybe their territory should be stolen too.....you see how your arguments are foolish.
Because you (romanians) speak an indo-european language proves nothing...
your original cyrillic script and orthodox faith proves you're from the balkans not Transylvania...you people have very little to do with ROME, you were migratory herders from present day albania.
You changed your script to latin in the 1860s...you celebrate western Christmas now even though you're orthodox.....its all to hide your true origins, what shameful people you are...
While Romanian historians have tried to argue that the Romanian-speakers have always lived in the territory of Romania (originating, it is claimed, from Romanized Dacian tribes and/or Roman legionaries), there is compelling evidence to show that the Romanian-speakers were originally part of the same population as the Vlachs, whose language and way of life were developed somewhere to the south of the Danube. Only in the twelfth century did the early Romanian-speakers move northwards into Hungarian territory.
Linguists have long been aware that Albanian and Romanian have many features in common, in matters of structure, vocabulary and idiom, and that these must have arisen in two ways. First, the 'substratum' of Romanian (that is, the language spoken by the proto-Romanians before they switched to Latin) must have been similar to Albanian; and secondly, there must have been close contact between Albanians and early Romanian-speakers over a long period, involving a shared pastoral life.(Some key elements of the pastoral vocabulary in Romanian are borrowed from Albanian.)[63] The substratum elements include both structural matters, such as the positioning of the definite article as a suffix on the end of the noun, and various elements of primitive Balkan pre-Latin vocabulary, such as copil ('child' in Romanian) or kopil ('bastard child' in Albanian).[64] If the links between the two languages were only at substratum level, this might not imply any geographical proximity - it would merely show that proto-Albanian was similar to other varieties of Illyrian spoken elsewhere. But the pastoral connections do indicate that Albanians and early Romanians lived for a long time in the same (or at least overlapping) areas.
Kosovo, Origins: Serbs, Albanians and Vlachs - Noel Malcolm
www.promacedonia.org/en/nm/kosovo.html&#8... ;
Chapter 2 in Noel Malcolm's Kosovo, a short history (Macmilan, London, 1998, p..... These were the Vlachs, who can still be seen tending their flocks in the ...
learn ENGLISH and read contemporary/modern sources...not myths, silly letters and old inaccurate chronicles from wiki you foolish boy.

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#48 Dec 30, 2013
National Archives of Hungary - Magyar Országos Levéltár
old.mol.gov .hu/index.php?akt_menu=940 ‎

(Libri regii primae classis – B 18) Transylvanian Royal Books 1687–1848 (Microfilm collection: boxes 7191–7204.)

(Libri regii dignitatum secundae classis – B 20) Transylvanian Royal Books 1790–1848 (Microfilm collection: boxes 7204–7205.)

Libri Regii – The National Archives of the Chapter of Gyulafehérvár –(F 1) 1581–1680 Transylvanian Royal Books (Microfilm collection: boxes 1193–1205; 2330; 26516/2 and 39237–39245.)

The National Archives of the Convent of Kolozsmonostor – Protocolla, libri regii et stylionaria (F 15) 1534–1708, Transylvanian Royal Books (Microfilm collection: boxes 1576–1596.)

Luckily most of the history was Transylvania was saved from destruction and fire by vlach/romanian terrotists and moved to Budapest.

If you want to see the TRUE history, go there and read it yourself...stupid romanian propagandists.
ddd

Bucharest, Romania

#49 Dec 30, 2013
SATU MARE= SIT MORE
1."answer the question....what country existed in the Carpathian basin in 896? what country did we (Magyar) conquer? name battles?"
RESPONS1
Anonimus "Pannonia as being good beyond measure. For they
said that there flowed the most noble spring waters, the Danube and Tisza [Tyscia]and other most noble springs, abounding in good fish, in which land there lived the Slavs [Sclavi], Bulgarians [Bulgarii] and Vlachs [Blachii], and the shepherds of the
Romans [pastores Romanorum].
42For after the death of King Attila, the Romans said
the land of Pannonia was pastureland because their flocks grazed in the land of Pannonia. And rightly is the land of Pannonia said to be the pastureland of the Romans,
2"you people have very little to do with ROME, you were migratory herders from present day albania."
RESPONS2
Dacian language was the same family with the Illyrian languages and Baltic languages and proto-Latin.
Therefore there are many words comune.Un word is the word bank and MAL in roumanian language.
This word is MAL in Albanian and means mountain.
In Romanian language MAL means shore in Lithuanian MAL means all shore.
So Romanians are not Albanians but can be Lithuanian. This shows that did not come from the south but may have come from nord.Realitatea is like saying Dacians MAL =shore.
Another word is the word colt in Romanian MANZ , Albanian MONZ colt foal in Lithuanian MAZULII .
There are many words similar between Lithuanian and Romanian but not the same language is the same family of languages.
These words are not found in the Slavic languages.

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#50 Dec 30, 2013
Roman Prost...I said in "896" (when the Magyar arrived) what country existed in the Carpathian basin?
Not in 450 and the former Roman province of Pannonia during the time of Attila....you're very poor in history!
So now romanians are from the baltic?...hehe
the Danube and Tisza [Tyscia]and other most noble springs, abounding in good fish, in which in which land there lived the Slavs [Sclavi], Bulgarians [Bulgarii] and Vlachs [Blachii], and the shepherds of the
Romans [pastores Romanorum].
DUNA/ TISZA"""BALKANS """ not Dacia!!!
. But the pastoral connections do indicate that Albanians and early Romanians lived for a long time in the same (or at least overlapping) areas.
Kosovo, Origins: Serbs, Albanians and Vlachs - Noel Malcolm
ddd

Bucharest, Romania

#51 Dec 30, 2013
ungur destept ( de dai in gropi)
"Vlachs. Gelou, duke of Transylvania, hearing of his arrival, gathered his army and rode speedily towards him in order to stop him at the Meszes Gates,"
About you a stupid invadet monts MEZES is in Balkan.
Is dangeros to drink.

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#53 Dec 31, 2013
Hehe....Gesta
The Gesta Hungarorum of Anonymus, the Anonymous Notary of ...
www.academia.edu/.../The_Gesta_Hungarorum_of_... ;
The Latin text has been translated several times intoHungarian, most notably by Pais,
8
as well as into Romanian and German.
9
What follows is the first rendering of the Latin text into English.There can scarcely be any document from the Middle Ages that carries such heavy political baggage. The description which the author gives of the presence and whereabouts of peoples in Central Europe during the ninth century has been extensively used to buttress historical claims to territories in the twentieth century.Readings of the
Gesta Hungarorum
were thus used after 1918 to justify the cession of Transylvania to Romania as well as, after the Second World War, of Oroszvár toCzechoslovakia.
10
In 1987, the
Gesta
acquired particular notoriety on account of a full-page advertisement in
The Times
, paid for by the Romanian government,affirming the validity of the chronicler’s account of a Romanian presence in theCarpathian basin more than a thousand years before.
11
Fortunately, modern scholarly readings of the
Gesta Hungarorum
are less beset by political partisanship since, in the post-Schengen world of the EU, only dinosaurs care about who was where first.
Nevertheless, former interpretations of phrases, locations, persons and word-strings,preserved in an older literature, may yet serve to confuse the unwary, while in remoteacademic corners the Jurassic Age is still not quite over.
The author of the
Gesta
, known historically as the Anonymus (always thus),pretends to give a historically-grounded account of early Hungarian history thatdisregards the songs of minstrels and the yarns of yokels,
12
but does in fact nothing of the sort. Anonymus’s account is essentially a ‘toponymic romance’ that seeks to explain place-names by reference to imagined events and persons. Although he gets the names of the earliest Hungarian rulers right, as well as some of the early tribal chieftains, he has the Hungarians beating Slavonic and Romanian leaders whose
3names are not attested to anywhere else, as well as fighting the Cumans (who appeared in Europe only in the late eleventh century) and, more incredibly, the Romans. His description of power-relations north of the Danube in the late ninth century is not supported by any other account. It is at best an attempt to project contemporary conditions backwards.
Foolish romanian....this is all you have?
You fear the Szekler/Hungarians, you fear autonomy, you fear truth and you fear what'll happen to romania.
Iron Guard

East Stroudsburg, PA

#54 Dec 31, 2013
99% of linguists admit this. Just read for yourself Michigan

Only idiots parrot this "Moldavian language" nonsense. It's a subdialect

Also, why do you have to troll the Romanian forum?
ddd

Bucharest, Romania

#55 Jan 1, 2014
Iron Guard HAPY NEWS YEAERS TO YOU AND same to SATU MARE who lost her daco-romanians orygins.

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#56 Jan 1, 2014
The fact that Romania expects Hungary to refrain from supporting the Hungarian autonomy initiatives shows their complete disregard for Hungary and all Magyars in general. It is quite ironic that Hungary supports the economic development of Romania only due to the fact that they hold transylvania. The truth is, had Hungary not been forced into that humiliating treaty, today Romania would be as economically viable, and relevant, as Moldova.
Iron Guard

East Stroudsburg, PA

#57 Jan 1, 2014
In any case, let's just do a brief list of sources which mentions the Romanians living North of the Danube long before the Hungarian historians would like you to believe, or provide other information which contradicts the Hungarian theory: Byzantine Sources:-Kekaumenos clearly says the Vlachs of Thessaly come from North of the river Danube and Sava.-Kinnamos, upon encountering the vlachs in the Carpathian passes in 1167, states "it is said they are colonists arrived long ago from Italy"

-Nicetas Choniates tells us that as Andronic Comnenos was heading towards the Cneazate of Hailici in 1164, but was captured by Vlachs along the way. The vlachs are clearly indicated as being North of the Danube.

-Maurikios' Strategykon and Acta Sancti Demetrii ('The Deeds of St. Demeter') mentions the existence of the Roman element north of Danube at the beginning of the 8th century and their Latin language

-Laonikos Chalkokondyles, a Byzantine writer, came to the conclusion in the 15th century came to the conclusion, after interacting with Vlachs from the Pindus mountains, that the Dacians spoke „a broken Italian.” This is of course the wrong conclusion, but it shows educated men generally regarded the Vlachs as Romanized Dacians.

-Procopius wrote of an Ant (Slavs in Moldova) who was able to pass himself off as a Roman officer
Iron Guard

East Stroudsburg, PA

#58 Jan 1, 2014
Happy New year too. I have 30+ medieval sources from various cultures from the Pechenegs, Greeks, and to the Norse placing Romanians in Transylvania before the Huns, but they won't fit on this site. :/

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#59 Jan 1, 2014
Your 30+ sources are all from ONE source....wikipedia "arguments for the daco/roman THEORY".
Gesta Hungarorum and others
were thus used after 1918 to justify the cession of Transylvania to Romania.
In 1987, the
Gesta
acquired particular notoriety on account of a full-page advertisement in
The Times
, paid for by the Romanian government,affirming the validity of the chronicler’s account of a Romanian presence in theCarpathian basin more than a thousand years before.
Fortunately, modern scholarly readings of the
Gesta Hungarorum
are less beset by political partisanship since, in the post-Schengen world of the EU, only dinosaurs care about who was where first.
Nevertheless, former interpretations of phrases, locations, persons and word-strings,preserved in an older literature, may yet serve to confuse the unwary, while in remoteacademic corners the Jurassic Age is still not quite over.
As my previous comment/source states..."only dinosaurs care about who was where first"
You romanians are fossilized worms seeking validity to your possession of Transylvania.
Read this carefully, it negates all your so-called 30+ sources...
No written or architectural evidence bears witness to the presence of "proto-Romanians" the lands north of the Danube during the millennium after Rome's withdrawal from Dacia.
Romania : Country Studies - Federal Research Division, Library of ...
lcweb2.loc.gov › Researchers‎
Just accept your nation is conniving scum and traitors and that you FEAR autonomy for Szeklerland

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#61 Jan 1, 2014
.."only dinosaurs care about who was where first"
You romanians are fossilized worms seeking validity to your possession of Transylvania.

hehe...tigan prost

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#63 Jan 2, 2014
http://youtu.be/lVxTWcE0APw

romanian bones are in albania
True European

Craiova, Romania

#64 Jan 2, 2014
Szatmari wrote:
http://youtu.be/lVxTWcE0APw
romanian bones are in albania
Romanians bones are in your body.

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#65 Jan 2, 2014
yeah, I'm a magyarized romanian in your wet daco/roman dreams...you stupid fossilized worms will never evolve.
ddd

Bucharest, Romania

#66 Jan 2, 2014
Dacian language was the same family with the Illyrian languages and Baltic languages and proto-Latin.
Therefore there are many words comune.Un word is the word bank and MAL in roumanian language.
This word is MAL in Albanian and means mountain.
In Romanian language MAL means shore in Lithuanian MAL means all shore.
So Romanians are not Albanians but can be Lithuanian. This shows that did not come from the south but may have come from nord.Realitatea is like saying Dacians MAL =shore.
Another word is the word colt in Romanian MANZ , Albanian MONZ colt foal in Lithuanian MAZULII .
There are many words similar between Lithuanian and Romanian but not the same language is the same family of languages.
These words are not found in the Slavic languages.
baltic-roumanian compartion
1.trasas - tresar
2.Blodu - Blid
3.rindu - rindu
4.plautis- plaman
5.Guzis - gusa,gusi
6.mazuli - Manz
7.p-lauti - laut
8.juvis - juvete
9.isheiti- ieshire-exit
10.smugi -smuci
11.erelis- erete
12.must – must-
13.Tarubos - tarabostes, sfat
14.boruza - bo-boruza
15.Tu saki - tu zici
16.didela - dida
17.mal - mal...etc
romanian - lithuanian- englez
1.Stalp - Stulp-elis - column
2.Caush -Caush-as - cup
3.aschie -erkshkis,Atschila -thorn-Lat. ascla
4.Moale (noroi,namol)- malu,moliu -mud
5.Brancusi - brancusis-dear
6 shir,siroi - srie-gis -flux
7.capitza -kupeta -
8.tupila - Pri-tupti,tupet-
9.balta - bala- lake
posibil origine name lake Balaton, posibil migration of baltic in Balaton zone whith hun.
10.bursuk- barsaka-badger
11.gaura - kaurum- hole
12.Samburi -samburis-crowd, mob
etc...

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#67 Jan 2, 2014
STFU already...romanians (as an ethnicity) are the lowest you could go. No honor,No history....just falsified propaganda.

Even if I did have some romanian blood I would be ashamed.
FCKIN Thieves!
Iron Guard

Riverhead, NY

#68 Jan 2, 2014
Szatmari wrote:
Your 30+ sources are all from ONE source....wikipedia "arguments for the daco/roman THEORY".
Gesta Hungarorum and others
were thus used after 1918 to justify the cession of Transylvania to Romania.
In 1987, the
Gesta
acquired particular notoriety on account of a full-page advertisement in
The Times
, paid for by the Romanian government,affirming the validity of the chronicler’s account of a Romanian presence in theCarpathian basin more than a thousand years before.
Fortunately, modern scholarly readings of the
Gesta Hungarorum
are less beset by political partisanship since, in the post-Schengen world of the EU, only dinosaurs care about who was where first.
Nevertheless, former interpretations of phrases, locations, persons and word-strings,preserved in an older literature, may yet serve to confuse the unwary, while in remoteacademic corners the Jurassic Age is still not quite over.
As my previous comment/source states..."only dinosaurs care about who was where first"
You romanians are fossilized worms seeking validity to your possession of Transylvania.
Read this carefully, it negates all your so-called 30+ sources...
No written or architectural evidence bears witness to the presence of "proto-Romanians" the lands north of the Danube during the millennium after Rome's withdrawal from Dacia.
Romania : Country Studies - Federal Research Division, Library of ...
lcweb2.loc.gov › Researchers‎
Just accept your nation is conniving scum and traitors and that you FEAR autonomy for Szeklerland
I don't know what wikipedia page you speak of, maybe you can provide a link?
Individually, one could say of each quote "oh, the author made an error", "he didn't know any better" or "this guy's just projecting into the past" but together?! Are we to believe they were all drunk when they wrote this? If I were to go to court and tell the judge "your honor, I wasn't there personally to see it, but these 20 people do confirm it" the case would be open-and-shut. This brings up 2 questions:
1) Why can't Hungarians admit they're wrong (especially since their opinion on the origin of the Romanians changed completely in the 19th century, before that they also believed in Daco-Roman Continuity).
2) Why does it matter? Let's say the absurd happens and it's proven, by some miracle, that Hungarians were there before the Romanians. What are you going to do about it? You can't claim any territory because of it, since by doing so, you would forfeit Hungary completely to the Slavs (let's not forget Greater Moravia controlled the region before the Magyars crossed the Carpathians). Therefore, not only do you have nothing to gain with your polemic history-writing, but you have everything to lose.

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