Why Obama failed on Syria

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While a lot about Syria remains unsettled, one fact is clear: President Obama has failed to convince the public, and the Congress, that attacking the Assad regime is The administration has generated a flood of briefings and hearings, speeches and interviews, tweets and texts.
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Good Article!!
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Well, the lesson he learned is that you can't just present evidence by calling it self-evident, prima facie proof of a smoking gun and requiring no further elaboration and expect much more than a few true believers yelling zig heil and a lot more in laughs.

You have to get up there with a lot of photo shop stuff, some missile cartoons with lit fuses and barrels of payloads marked 'Sarin Gas, property of the Syrian government. Handle with Care', and with a bobbing head CIA director standing behind you for the piece de la resistance.

McCain even offered to bring his good friend, Georgia's dethroned, tie-eating Pres. Saakashvili, ousted by his own people for being a horrible, torturer and dictator but hailed by McCain as a new age democrat, in to show how it's done but Obama passed on the idea. Kerry liked it though.
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He failed because we , America, are not going to war just (because.)

And god bless the British
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Adale wrote:
He failed because we , America, are not going to war just (because.)
And god bless the British
Good point!
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Adale wrote:
He failed because we , America, are not going to war just (because.)
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just (because)?

I thought it was our proof went poof.
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Adale wrote:
He failed because we , America, are not going to war just (because.)
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just (because)?

I thought it was because our proof went poof.

“Liberals hate free speech!”

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You can trust a word that comes out of Obama's mouth!
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100,000 die in conventional warfare without Obama even being willing to send weapons. Then we get outrage from Obama over breach of a figment of the imagination (international law).
Basically, we are being asked to go to war after Obama has screwed the pooch, by waiting so long that the radical Islamists have been greatly strengthened, while the moderates have withered on the vine. Now there are bad and worse choices.
Go to war for Obama's credibility? He has no credibility.
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You can't trust a word that comes out of Obama's mouth!
Or Clinton's either, for that matter - either of them.

On the lighter side though:

I was just on a bushism's website and for the life of me, I can't UNDERSTAND a word that came out of his. LOL

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbus...
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easy .... oblunder bluffed with his yellow red lines, putin/assad called his bluff and bams caved like a hooker seeing a roll of quarters just like they knew he would.
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nope wrote:
easy .... oblunder bluffed with his yellow red lines, putin/assad called his bluff and bams caved like a hooker seeing a roll of quarters just like they knew he would.
Tch tch, so critical of things beyond our grasp.

If this initiative comes off, it may well turn out that Obama was as masterful a tactician as Putin, in bringing this entangled diplomatic dance to a welcome crescendo and recovering from a few tactical errors.

Don't forget, one of the major hurdles to implementation of Geneva II was rebel recalcitrance along with earlier demands from Washington that Assad go, with nothing planned to follow other than pending chaos beyond anyone's control. This initiative suddenly gives everyone enough maneuvering room to hammer out an acceptable transitional plan, while declaring a force majeure (circumstances beyond our control) to any previous negotiations or promises made to the FSA and force them to a rethink of expectations (and extremist alliances) without looking like about-face fools.

Yes sir, it's all coming together nicely now, so long as someone doesn't blow it, by accident or purpose. Al Qaeda though, as always, remains the wild card and spoiler - it will take everything they've got to overcome that ugly detail.
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For those of you who still insist on painting this latest endeavor as some sort of win-lose or lose-win game between Obama and Putin, I say it's time to cease and desist. It's more the choice of a win-win or a lose-lose outcome for all parties. Time to look to stabilizing this absurdly flawed proxy war and garner some strength to deal with the bigger picture and that is - the fast growing influence of extremist elements in the entire region. It won't be defeated with in-fighting, only strengthened.

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Or Clinton's either, for that matter - either of them.
On the lighter side though:
I was just on a bushism's website and for the life of me, I can't UNDERSTAND a word that came out of his. LOL
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbus...
GW was trying to replace dictators and oppressive governments with democracy, Obama is replacing dictators with AQ and the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you think Obama's way will work out any better?
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anybody home?

must be nice to live in a state of ignorant bliss.

How're the real estate taxes out your way?
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whats the capital of Ignorant Bliss?

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Adale wrote:
He failed because we , America, are not going to war just (because.)
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GOD Bless UK. Long Live the Queen!!! And down with the president.

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100,000 die in conventional warfare without Obama even being willing to send weapons. Then we get outrage from Obama over breach of a figment of the imagination (international law).
Basically, we are being asked to go to war after Obama has screwed the pooch, by waiting so long that the radical Islamists have been greatly strengthened, while the moderates have withered on the vine. Now there are bad and worse choices.
Go to war for Obama's credibility? He has no credibility.
But, but, but they had no choice but to wait until they could transform that farce into a "rebellion and civil war". That took time, dude. Remember just a month ago they were all a bragging about how they were a going to partition Syria in Shia areas and Sunni areas and Kurdish areas. Those types of delusions take time, dude. It helped them to sleep well at night although the reality was that they could NEVER overthrow Al-Assad. He is too well entrenched. His legitimacy is based on his claim that he is s\a direct descendant of the Holy Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon his and his family) Now understand this well: both Sunnis and Shi'is revere members of the prophet's family. For this reason alone, they could never divide and conquer Syria along sectarian lines. It took time for those idiots to learn this simple fact.

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For those of you who still insist on painting this latest endeavor as some sort of win-lose or lose-win game between Obama and Putin, I say it's time to cease and desist. It's more the choice of a win-win or a lose-lose outcome for all parties. Time to look to stabilizing this absurdly flawed proxy war and garner some strength to deal with the bigger picture and that is - the fast growing influence of extremist elements in the entire region. It won't be defeated with in-fighting, only strengthened.
How to spell "Obama won this one" in Arabic:“MOSCOW (AP)-- Russia could expand arms sales to Iran and revise the terms allowing U.S. military transit to Afghanistan if Washington launches a strike on Syria, a senior Russian lawmaker said Wednesday.

“Alexei Pushkov, the Kremlin-connected chief of the foreign affairs committee in the lower house of parliament, told lawmakers that Moscow hopes the U.S. will back Russia's proposal for Syria to put its chemical weapons under international control for their subsequent dismantling.

“During Wednesday's Russian parliament debate of a resolution on Syria, Communists called for an increase in sending Russian weapons to Iran and a revision of the contract allowing the U.S. military to go over Russia to get to Afghanistan.”

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For those of you who still insist on painting this latest endeavor as some sort of win-lose or lose-win game between Obama and Putin, I say it's time to cease and desist. It's more the choice of a win-win or a lose-lose outcome for all parties. Time to look to stabilizing this absurdly flawed proxy war and garner some strength to deal with the bigger picture and that is - the fast growing influence of extremist elements in the entire region. It won't be defeated with in-fighting, only strengthened.
Yes, and that is why it is absurd for the West to supper these AlQaeda linked terrorists!
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Syrian wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, and that is why it is absurd for the West to supper these AlQaeda linked terrorists!
There is no such thing as al Qaeda! How many times do I have to repeat myself?

Besides, those freedom fighters are very hospitable. They even slaughtered a sheep and cooked up some tasty rice pilaf for my entourage, although I don't really understand why the carcass looked a bit strange and had a Christian cross around its neck. Well, we have to welcome foreign cultures if we're to build reliable allies around the world. That's my motto.

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