Russia told Assad to shoot down Turkish plane, murder captured...

Sep 29, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Times of Israel

Devastating intelligence papers purport to prove jet was downed on Moscow's orders, pilots captured alive by intelligence unit and then killed; Damascus had claimed June incident was an accident Contrary to previous reports, the two pilots of a Turkish F-4 Phantom which was shot down by Syria in June were not killed in the crash, but were murdered ... (more)

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Yes we all know Assad will go just like in March 2011 "Assad will be gone by June" and in June 2011 "Assad will be gone by October" and in October "Assad will be gone by January 2012" and in January 2012 "Assad will be gone by March" and in March "Assad will be gone by June" and in June "Assad" will be gone by October and now its October and again we are hearing the threats Assad will be gone.
Difference between Assad and Gaddafi is that the rebels in Libya had help from NATO, in Syria NATO only threatens it will help but does not have the balls to do anything.
It's not just the bite, it's the will. The American people are just fed up with Middle Eastern wars. They have already lost over 7,000 young American soldiers lives, and over a trillion dollars of US taxpayer's money in Middle Eastern conflicts, with little to show for it.
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holly israel wrote:
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weird... from here look like Israel is the only one who not supports those rebels...
That's only because you are looking from "there"!
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<quoted text> That's only because you are looking from "there"!
It's called condemning the war criminal and your hero employer Assad!! The WEST wants your sorry rear end out of the USA!! Take your filthy lying propaganda machine back to Syria with you!! The Syrian Patriots are waiting for you for their National Day of hanging those involved with the Assad Propaganda Ministry! I'll be the one passing out the free beer and pizza! BY THE WAY, TAKE ARAB MUZZIE LAP DOG JO JO WITH YOU!! Looks like Assad paid you back Pay? You were complaining the other day that you were going to stop the lies and propaganda if you were not paid in full!! Syria was such a peaceful country as long as everyone obeyed your hero Assad!! They got sick and tired of it!! Hey dummy! It started out with bottles and rocks!! Then your hero Assad used Rockets, grenades, tanks, aircraft? Get real and get a clue!! 20,000 plus of his own people murdered at the hands of your hero Assad! Do you see very many Syrians from Syria Posting?? That's because Assad has a short leash on everyone!! Funny how you clowns live in a country that grants you all the freedom in the world to write your nonsense. The Syrian people have no freedom so what do you clowns do? You stand up for a ruthless Assad Dictator!! And to top it off, somehow Israel and West are involved. The U.S., amazingly U.N., NATO, The Arab League and the list goes on and on have condemned ASSAD. Most civilized countries have elections so when you have brutal Dictators like China, Syria, and Iran there is no way to get rid of the tyrants other than by force!! The people are stuck with their ruthless Dictators their whole lives and then when that clown passes, daddy appoints another ruthless Dictator and this is an endless cycle! It's like a nightmare that will not go away!! I don't blame the people one bit!! Folks! Ask yourself why Syrian is not in Syria while hiding out in the WEST! He's a filthy disgusting Paid Assad Sock Puppet! Period!
China, Venezuela and Iran supports Syria and guess what? There is NO freedom in any of those countries either!
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Syrian wrote:
<quoted text> It's not just the bite, it's the will. The American people are just fed up with Middle Eastern wars. They have already lost over 7,000 young American soldiers lives, and over a trillion dollars of US taxpayer's money in Middle Eastern conflicts, with little to show for it.
HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE FED UP WITH?? YOU'RE A FILTHY SYRIAN HIDING OUT IN THE USA!! hey FOOL! Afghanistan was training terrorists responsible for murdering almost 4,000 American LIVES on 9/11. What are you saying clown?? That we should have just stuck our heads in the sand and cried our little eyes out?? Not hardly!! You may sit back and take it in the rear but most Americans were for taking out terrorist training camps responsible for 4,000 American Deaths!! Stop the ignorant nonsense!! Iraq's Saddam Hussein created a far greater humanitarian nightmare than Libya. "The Butcher of Baghdad" slaughtered, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis -- far more people than were killed in Bosnia and Kosovo, where President Clinton ordered military force for humanitarian reasons. Yet, when weapons hunters found no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, the dwindling number of pro-war Democrats turned against the war never mind the sickening sight of thousands of Iraqis found in shallow graves.
That Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMD, having used chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people, was not in dispute. All 16 U.S. intelligences agencies thought so "with the highest probability." France, the United Kingdom, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, China, Israel and even Saddam's own generals assumed Iraq possessed WMD. Even U.N. weapons inspector and Iraq War critic Hans Blix thought Saddam likely possessed these weapons. As Blix admitted at a 2004 University of Berkeley forum:' I'm not here to have gut feelings. But yes, in December 2002 (three months before the invasion) I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." The non-unilateralist Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama, unlike Bush, sought no congressional war resolution. Obama, therefore, ordered military action against Libya "unilaterally" -- without the congressional approval that he once argued the Constitution demanded.

As Obama further explained in his December 2007 statement, "In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent." So a president, according to Obama, does not need congressional authority -- provided the action involves "self-defense" or "stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

What is the "actual or imminent threat" to America posed by Libya?
Ritter served from 1991 to 1998 as a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq in the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq. He was chief inspector in fourteen of the more than thirty inspection missions in which he participated.

In January 1998, his inspection team in Iraq was blocked from some weapons sites by Iraqi officials stating that information obtained from these sites would be used for future planning of attacks. UN Inspectors were ordered out of Iraq by the United States Government, shortly before Operation Desert Fox attacks began in December 1998, using information which had been gathered for the purpose of disarmament to identify targets which would reduce Iraq's ability to wage both conventional and possibly unconventional warfare. UN Weapons Inspectors were thereafter denied access to Iraq. He spoke on the Public Broadcasting Service show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
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Marshal Tantawy wrote:
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yeah sounds like a one way ticket to moses
LOL!! Those clowns seem to enjoy getting their azzzes handed to them! After 5,000 years, they must be used to it by now!

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<quoted text>HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE FED UP WITH?? YOU'RE A FILTHY SYRIAN HIDING OUT IN THE USA!! hey FOOL! Afghanistan was training terrorists responsible for murdering almost 4,000 American LIVES on 9/11. What are you saying clown?? That we should have just stuck our heads in the sand and cried our little eyes out?? Not hardly!! You may sit back and take it in the rear but most Americans were for taking out terrorist training camps responsible for 4,000 American Deaths!! Stop the ignorant nonsense!! Iraq's Saddam Hussein created a far greater humanitarian nightmare than Libya. "The Butcher of Baghdad" slaughtered, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis -- far more people than were killed in Bosnia and Kosovo, where President Clinton ordered military force for humanitarian reasons. Yet, when weapons hunters found no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, the dwindling number of pro-war Democrats turned against the war never mind the sickening sight of thousands of Iraqis found in shallow graves.
That Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMD, having used chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people, was not in dispute. All 16 U.S. intelligences agencies thought so "with the highest probability." France, the United Kingdom, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, China, Israel and even Saddam's own generals assumed Iraq possessed WMD. Even U.N. weapons inspector and Iraq War critic Hans Blix thought Saddam likely possessed these weapons. As Blix admitted at a 2004 University of Berkeley forum:' I'm not here to have gut feelings. But yes, in December 2002 (three months before the invasion) I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." The non-unilateralist Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama, unlike Bush, sought no congressional war resolution. Obama, therefore, ordered military action against Libya "unilaterally" -- without the congressional approval that he once argued the Constitution demanded.
As Obama further explained in his December 2007 statement, "In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent." So a president, according to Obama, does not need congressional authority -- provided the action involves "self-defense" or "stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
What is the "actual or imminent threat" to America posed by Libya?
Ritter served from 1991 to 1998 as a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq in the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq. He was chief inspector in fourteen of the more than thirty inspection missions in which he participated.
In January 1998, his inspection team in Iraq was blocked from some weapons sites by Iraqi officials stating that information obtained from these sites would be used for future planning of attacks. UN Inspectors were ordered out of Iraq by the United States Government, shortly before Operation Desert Fox attacks began in December 1998, using information which had been gathered for the purpose of disarmament to identify targets which would reduce Iraq's ability to wage both conventional and possibly unconventional warfare. UN Weapons Inspectors were thereafter denied access to Iraq. He spoke on the Public Broadcasting Service show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
Maybe people would care more about how many people were killed in Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia or 9/11 if the number of civilians the US army killed didn't put those numbers to shame.
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Karavashk wrote:
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Maybe people would care more about how many people were killed in Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia or 9/11 if the number of civilians the US army killed didn't put those numbers to shame.
Bravo!!!

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<quoted text>It's called condemning the war criminal and your hero employer Assad!! The WEST wants your sorry rear end out of the USA!! Take your filthy lying propaganda machine back to Syria with you!! The Syrian Patriots are waiting for you for their National Day of hanging those involved with the Assad Propaganda Ministry! I'll be the one passing out the free beer and pizza! BY THE WAY, TAKE ARAB MUZZIE LAP DOG JO JO WITH YOU!! Looks like Assad paid you back Pay? You were complaining the other day that you were going to stop the lies and propaganda if you were not paid in full!! Syria was such a peaceful country as long as everyone obeyed your hero Assad!! They got sick and tired of it!! Hey dummy! It started out with bottles and rocks!! Then your hero Assad used Rockets, grenades, tanks, aircraft? Get real and get a clue!! 20,000 plus of his own people murdered at the hands of your hero Assad! Do you see very many Syrians from Syria Posting?? That's because Assad has a short leash on everyone!! Funny how you clowns live in a country that grants you all the freedom in the world to write your nonsense. The Syrian people have no freedom so what do you clowns do? You stand up for a ruthless Assad Dictator!! And to top it off, somehow Israel and West are involved. The U.S., amazingly U.N., NATO, The Arab League and the list goes on and on have condemned ASSAD. Most civilized countries have elections so when you have brutal Dictators like China, Syria, and Iran there is no way to get rid of the tyrants other than by force!! The people are stuck with their ruthless Dictators their whole lives and then when that clown passes, daddy appoints another ruthless Dictator and this is an endless cycle! It's like a nightmare that will not go away!! I don't blame the people one bit!! Folks! Ask yourself why Syrian is not in Syria while hiding out in the WEST! He's a filthy disgusting Paid Assad Sock Puppet! Period!
China, Venezuela and Iran supports Syria and guess what? There is NO freedom in any of those countries either!
Do you or have you lived in China, Venezuela or Iran, if no then you really shouldn't be talking about their freedom because you don't know sh*t, Its like me commenting on the texture of the surface of the moon, while I have never actually been there. Stick to your own country and worry about yourself, let the people who actually live under your so called dictatorships figure it out for themselves.

The Arab League condemns the dictator Assad LOL, since when was Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Somalia the crusaders of democracy. Everyone is in a rush to condemn the dictators in Syria, Libya or Egypt but no one mentions a word about Saudi Arabia, UAE, Somalia or Burma. USA doesn't appear to have any intentions to use force to get rid of those dictatorships, USA isn't too worried about dictator Mugabe in Zimbabwe either, or maybe the level of dictatorship, according to the US, is measured by how many resources a country has.

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Professor Ayreshire wrote:
<quoted text>HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE FED UP WITH?? YOU'RE A FILTHY SYRIAN HIDING OUT IN THE USA!! hey FOOL! Afghanistan was training terrorists responsible for murdering almost 4,000 American LIVES on 9/11. What are you saying clown?? That we should have just stuck our heads in the sand and cried our little eyes out?? Not hardly!! You may sit back and take it in the rear but most Americans were for taking out terrorist training camps responsible for 4,000 American Deaths!! Stop the ignorant nonsense!! Iraq's Saddam Hussein created a far greater humanitarian nightmare than Libya. "The Butcher of Baghdad" slaughtered, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis -- far more people than were killed in Bosnia and Kosovo, where President Clinton ordered military force for humanitarian reasons. Yet, when weapons hunters found no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, the dwindling number of pro-war Democrats turned against the war never mind the sickening sight of thousands of Iraqis found in shallow graves.
That Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMD, having used chemical weapons on the Iranians and his own people, was not in dispute. All 16 U.S. intelligences agencies thought so "with the highest probability." France, the United Kingdom, Russia, Egypt, Jordan, China, Israel and even Saddam's own generals assumed Iraq possessed WMD. Even U.N. weapons inspector and Iraq War critic Hans Blix thought Saddam likely possessed these weapons. As Blix admitted at a 2004 University of Berkeley forum:' I'm not here to have gut feelings. But yes, in December 2002 (three months before the invasion) I thought Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." The non-unilateralist Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama, unlike Bush, sought no congressional war resolution. Obama, therefore, ordered military action against Libya "unilaterally" -- without the congressional approval that he once argued the Constitution demanded.
As Obama further explained in his December 2007 statement, "In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent." So a president, according to Obama, does not need congressional authority -- provided the action involves "self-defense" or "stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."
What is the "actual or imminent threat" to America posed by Libya?
Ritter served from 1991 to 1998 as a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq in the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq. He was chief inspector in fourteen of the more than thirty inspection missions in which he participated.
In January 1998, his inspection team in Iraq was blocked from some weapons sites by Iraqi officials stating that information obtained from these sites would be used for future planning of attacks. UN Inspectors were ordered out of Iraq by the United States Government, shortly before Operation Desert Fox attacks began in December 1998, using information which had been gathered for the purpose of disarmament to identify targets which would reduce Iraq's ability to wage both conventional and possibly unconventional warfare. UN Weapons Inspectors were thereafter denied access to Iraq. He spoke on the Public Broadcasting Service show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
Oh and lets not forget who put the terrorist training Afghan regime in power. Or have you forgotten who sponsored, armed and trained the Taliban back then when the Russians and Communists were the "world evil".
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Do you or have you lived in China, Venezuela or Iran, if no then you really shouldn't be talking about their freedom because you don't know sh*t, Its like me commenting on the texture of the surface of the moon, while I have never actually been there. Stick to your own country and worry about yourself, let the people who actually live under your so called dictatorships figure it out for themselves.
The Arab League condemns the dictator Assad LOL, since when was Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Somalia the crusaders of democracy. Everyone is in a rush to condemn the dictators in Syria, Libya or Egypt but no one mentions a word about Saudi Arabia, UAE, Somalia or Burma. USA doesn't appear to have any intentions to use force to get rid of those dictatorships, USA isn't too worried about dictator Mugabe in Zimbabwe either, or maybe the level of dictatorship, according to the US, is measured by how many resources a country has.
EXCELLENT POST!!! Truer words were never spoken.
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Oh and lets not forget who put the terrorist training Afghan regime in power. Or have you forgotten who sponsored, armed and trained the Taliban back then when the Russians and Communists were the "world evil".
Exactly!! Well said!
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Russia Said to Be Evacuating
Personnel from Base in Syria

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7013

Russia was completing the withdrawal of its citizens and military personnel from its naval base in Syria, Saudi daily Al Watan reported on Sunday.

Free Syrian Army Major Maher al-Naimi told the paper that Russian and Cypriot ships docked at the port in order to evacuate the remaining Russian technicians as well as 52 of the 72 armored vehicles from the military installation.

Al-Naimi said the Syrian opposition considers the Tartus base as part of Syria that is occupied by Russia and that it will be liberated once the Russian military leaves. He claimed that Russia was evacuating because it recognized the Syrian opposition’s military upper hand.

He added that the Syrian opposition would not continue Damascus’s level of strategic partnership with Moscow, Tehran, and Beijing, and that the Russian military “was not welcome” in Syria.

In August, Russia sent 11 warships to the Mediterranean, some of which were bound for the Tartus naval facility. The New York Times reported that “nearly half of the ships were capable of carrying hundreds of marines.”

Moscow has operated the naval facility at Tartus since signing an agreement with Damascus in 1971. Although it is merely a ship repair and refueling station with a limited military presence, it is the sole remaining Russian military base outside of the former Soviet Union.
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Dander wrote:
<quoted text>Turdlover
you definetly deserve to be called a TURDLOVER.
There has been many Turks in this Forum I still respect with their chosen nicks, but you are never going to be one of them.
Cheers.
I do not believe that you respect anybody who is Pro-Turkey.

I respect everybody's opinion .... even yours .... however opinions are in generally subjective .... what means they do not always reflect the facts ...
And your ‘facts’ are not facts …. These are your (or other Armenians) conclusions …. They are useless in any serious debate ….and more important …. You disregard everything which does not fit in your ‘overall’ picture …. Which could put doubts on your ‘findings’….

Regarding your feelings to me ....I can't say I do not respect you .... however when ever you start swearing on other people's God or calling them 'names'.... well indeed you lose my respect!

But by nature, I am not an unforgiving person ... thus I ignore in general such things and still try to remain in the real world.

Yes I am a Turkey lover ! I stay with Turkey because the Turkish state as well as many Turkish people (with different ethnical backgrounds) stayed with me!!

And if you believe it or not .... two of my closest friends in Turkey are a Roman Catholic Turkish-Assyrian and another one was a Turk of Arabic origin from Hatay.(I intentionally said Turk and not Turkish citizen)

One of my preferred places to take a cup of coffee was a coffee shop very close to the Greek Consulate General in Istanbul (first street to the left - don't remember any more the name it has closed approx 1 year ago)....

I mention these facts so that you understand that I was not incited by my Turkish friends to be Anti-Armenians or Anti-Greek or what so ever ..... sure there were from time to time some discussions ... however what I tell you here ... I more or less learnt by myself from different publications ... and please believe me not only Turkish ones ... because to make an informed (good) decision you need information from different sources ... which unfortunately I can’t see by you ....

WELL YES I AM A TURKEY LOVER !

You do not have to respect my person .... but you should learn to respect other people’s argumentation and accept historical facts! Which by the way are not different as yours … just analyzed from a different angle based on additional background information ..

Until now .... you never were capable of disproving my argumentation in any form .... the reason is clear these are documented facts ... and not by the Turks ... gathered from publicly available Armenian reports and/or other Western nationals which lived/travelled during these unfortunate period in the Ottoman Empire …

Cheers,
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100% agree.
How nice from you ....
You might should take same seconds to read these articles concerning Turks and Jews:

http://www.holocausttaskforce.org/news/440-je...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behi%C3%A7_Erkin

Show me a single state ... which did the same for Jews?

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NATO vs Russia means mutually assured destruction which means NATO loses therefore NATO will do anything to avoid a war with Russia.
You are right !
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I do not believe that you respect anybody who is Pro-Turkey.
I respect everybody's opinion .... even yours .... however opinions are in generally subjective .... what means they do not always reflect the facts ...
And your ‘facts’ are not facts …. These are your (or other Armenians) conclusions …. They are useless in any serious debate ….and more important …. You disregard everything which does not fit in your ‘overall’ picture …. Which could put doubts on your ‘findings’….
Regarding your feelings to me ....I can't say I do not respect you .... however when ever you start swearing on other people's God or calling them 'names'.... well indeed you lose my respect!
But by nature, I am not an unforgiving person ... thus I ignore in general such things and still try to remain in the real world.
Yes I am a Turkey lover ! I stay with Turkey because the Turkish state as well as many Turkish people (with different ethnical backgrounds) stayed with me!!
And if you believe it or not .... two of my closest friends in Turkey are a Roman Catholic Turkish-Assyrian and another one was a Turk of Arabic origin from Hatay.(I intentionally said Turk and not Turkish citizen)
One of my preferred places to take a cup of coffee was a coffee shop very close to the Greek Consulate General in Istanbul (first street to the left - don't remember any more the name it has closed approx 1 year ago)....
I mention these facts so that you understand that I was not incited by my Turkish friends to be Anti-Armenians or Anti-Greek or what so ever ..... sure there were from time to time some discussions ... however what I tell you here ... I more or less learnt by myself from different publications ... and please believe me not only Turkish ones ... because to make an informed (good) decision you need information from different sources ... which unfortunately I can’t see by you ....
WELL YES I AM A TURKEY LOVER !
You do not have to respect my person .... but you should learn to respect other people’s argumentation and accept historical facts! Which by the way are not different as yours … just analyzed from a different angle based on additional background information ..
Until now .... you never were capable of disproving my argumentation in any form .... the reason is clear these are documented facts ... and not by the Turks ... gathered from publicly available Armenian reports and/or other Western nationals which lived/travelled during these unfortunate period in the Ottoman Empire …
Cheers,
Turdlover
you are not a plane turdlover but a CREEPY one at that.
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How nice from you ....
You might should take same seconds to read these articles concerning Turks and Jews:
http://www.holocausttaskforce.org/news/440-je...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behi%C3%A7_Erkin
Show me a single state ... which did the same for Jews?
Cheers,
Excellent point.
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I do not believe this statement to be true.
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You are right !
Cheers,
Exactly.
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Dander wrote:
<quoted text>Turdlover
you are not a plane turdlover but a CREEPY one at that.
If you say so....
Creepy if somebody else knows your historical(Armenian)background better than yourself...

I take it as a compliment.

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