Mexican drug violence spills over into the US

[Commander Bunny]

http://www.10news.com/news/21554862/detail.ht...

[Lee Faslan]

Firearms are more common in TEXAS... people here can defend them selves!! 30-06, 7.62x54R, 22cal, 12ga, 10ga, 20ga,.50cal,.40cal,.45mm, 9mm, 105mm.
AK-47, AR15x2. Bring IT!!

[kobadger]

Lee Faslan wrote:

Firearms are more common in TEXAS... people here can defend them selves!! 30-06, 7.62x54R, 22cal, 12ga, 10ga, 20ga,.50cal,.40cal,.45mm, 9mm, 105mm.
AK-47, AR15x2. Bring IT!!

Well this is one area Georgia has you folks beat,as far as a gun friendly state. We have 6 towns here in Georgia where NOT having at least ONE firearm in your home is infact a misdemeanor. No,these are NOT some 100 yr. old laws. They came in 1981,1987,1988!!

[Joe]

skinnygenes wrote:

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Yes, the weapons of mass destruction existed, are you now saying that NATO was wrong, that their intelligence was off? NO, what happened is that France had it's hand in Iraq's cookie jar, with French companies investing money and forming contracts with the Saddam regime.

And how come after nearly eight years in Iraq they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction? Now I know that you really are a loon.

[Joe]

skinnygenes wrote:

I was born and raised in El Paso, and have family in Juarez and throughout Mexico. They are afraid of the troops, talk about the abuses the people are suffering not only because of the narco war, but also because of the corruption of the soldiers, some of who actually work for the narcos, terrorizing civilians and shaking them down for money. I have a cousin who owns his own company in Juarez, soldiers showed up asking for him and attempted to extort. There is no comparison between the relationship between Americans and our troops, whom we proudly support, and the way Mexicans perceive their own soldiers. Like everywhere, there is the good and the bad, but to attempt to show the Mexican military in any light but reality is nonsense. If they would have wanted to, they would have wiped out the drug cartels already.

Your family in Juarez must be in the drug trade to be afraid of the military. Most Mexicans are very proud of them because they know that in addition to defending national sovereignty, troops are always there to support the population in times of natural disasters. Have you ever heard of Plan DNIII or Plan Marina? Many Mexicans have and know what it means. You are a fool. Why don't you do some research before trying to argue with somebody that actually lives in Mexico like Miramon?

[just saying EP]

Joe wrote:

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And how come after nearly eight years in Iraq they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction? Now I know that you really are a loon.

there were many WMD found and they still find them. Most were in the form of BIO agents, drums and drums of the stuff, but your almighty press ran short stories and debunks. we have Intel allot of the stuff made it over to Syria. I guess it would be ok by you for a drum of this stuff to be placed in a scud and popped off over your neighborhood. all this is documented, it should show you how ignorant you and your press corps are. The inability to put 2 + 2 together. Go ahead and bush bash, I’m sure it will make your decade to go home and gloat over it.
I’ll bet, if your neighbor came over and told you he saw the other neighbor down the street abusing your kids, you would shoot first, and ask questions later. Would this make you like W. W may have not been the best, but he does have some balls. Unlike the current administration.

[just saying EP]

Joe wrote:

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Your family in Juarez must be in the drug trade to be afraid of the military. Most Mexicans are very proud of them because they know that in addition to defending national sovereignty, troops are always there to support the population in times of natural disasters. Have you ever heard of Plan DNIII or Plan Marina? Many Mexicans have and know what it means. You are a fool. Why don't you do some research before trying to argue with somebody that actually lives in Mexico like Miramon?

thats funny, I have always been told that the Mexican military were a laughing stock, the homeless and bottom of the barrel, thats why they’re so corrupt. Really a laughing stock, talk about giving money to the fool, all Mexicans view them this way, get a life, you talk to much smack

[skinnygenes]

Joe wrote:

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And how come after nearly eight years in Iraq they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction? Now I know that you really are a loon.

They were moved, don't you remember the satellite photos showing movement the couple of weeks beforehand? or do you have selective memory? As you've been told before, Saddam's regime did have chemical weapons, proof is the genocide committed against the Kurds.

[skinnygenes]

Joe wrote:

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Your family in Juarez must be in the drug trade to be afraid of the military. Most Mexicans are very proud of them because they know that in addition to defending national sovereignty, troops are always there to support the population in times of natural disasters. Have you ever heard of Plan DNIII or Plan Marina? Many Mexicans have and know what it means. You are a fool. Why don't you do some research before trying to argue with somebody that actually lives in Mexico like Miramon?

No, my family in Mexico are educated, they aren't part of the narco trade. I have cousins who are doctors, engineers, architects, along with small business owners. They have ALL been shaken down at some point, or have felt threatened by the soldiers working for the narcos. You're a fool. I don't have to live there to know the score. Miramon is looking to blame the US, and playing hot potato with his own country's issues, which is very typical of most Mexicans, refusing to take the blame for their own condition, and throw it back at the US.

[Joe]

skinnygenes wrote:

By the way, Miramon, who do you think has trained your special forces troops? Mainly, the good old US of A trains them. So, you should be thanking us, not insulting.

The truth may hurt, or be bothersome, but it is not insulting, it is just the truth. Miramon, as usual, is right on the money and you are wrong. Mexican Special Forces units primarily train in Mexico by highly capable Mexican instructors in a variety of training facilities around Mexico. Some of their officers and n.c.o.'s attend trainig courses outside of Mexico in various countries including, but not exclusively the U.S. In no way is Mexican army training dependent on the U.S. Ever heard of the Heróico Colegio Militar?
I know that you are a little bit lazy and would rather get your facts from Hollywood movies rather than to dedicate some time to research, but for Christ's sake, you can even use Stupidpedia if you can't imagine other ways to search.

From Stupidpedia:

The Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales (Special Forces Airmobile Group, GAFE) is a special forces unit of the Mexican Army's Special Forces Corps, trained by the world's special forces. There are a total of nine battalions, one High Command GAFE unit and one other group is assigned to the Infantry Parachutists Brigade. Within the structure of the unit there are regular, intermediates and veterans. The regulars usually operate more as an elite light infantry. The intermediates are mainly instructors with medium ranks such as lieutenants and captains; they are also known as the COIFEs, and are considered by many the Mexican Green Berets. The veterans or Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales del Alto Mando (High Command GAFEs) carry out the most delicate black ops. The GAFE motto is "Todo por México" (Everything for Mexico).

Continued...

[Joe]

History
GAFE was created in 1986 as the "Fuerza de Intervención Rápida" (Rapid Intervention Force) to provide security for the FIFA World Cup soccer games in Mexico City. France's GIGN trained the group in special weapons and counter-terrorism tactics. On June 1, 1990 the group adopted its current name.

Eight years later the GAFEs saw action fighting EZLN guerrillas in Chiapas. There is scant public information about the operations in which they participated during that conflict. Nowadays the army special forces continue fighting the war against drug cartels in Mexico. They have successfully captured many big drug leaders such as Benjamin Arellano Felix and Osiel Cardenas Guillen of the Gulf Cartel.

Cont...

[Joe]

Training
Since its creation they have received a wide variety of training from different special forces groups from around the world. The Army unified all the knowledge by creating in 1998 the Escuela Militar de Fuerzas Especiales (En. Special Forces Military School). This became the Centro de Adiestramiento de Fuerzas Especiales ("Special Forces Training Center"), located in the foothills of the Iztaccíhuatl volcano, on 1 May 2002. The basic special forces course lasts 6 months.

Special Forces Instructors' Officers Course (COIFE)
Ranks Officers Training of Special Forces (CACFE)
Specialized Training for Special Forces Instructors and Officers (CAEIFE)
[edit] Training scenarios
Jungle/Amphibious/Combat Diving: Jungle and Amphibious Operations Training Center, Xtomoc, Quintana Roo. Training also takes place in different scenarios in the state of Guerrero.
Urban/Intervention: San Miguel de los Jagueyes, La Casa de la Muerte in Puebla and Temamantla, Estado de México.
Mountain: El Salto, Durango, and Guerrero.
Desert Operations Training Center: Laguna Salada and Baja California
Airmobile/Airborne: Air Force base of Santa Lucía, Estado de México and Guerrero.
High mountain: Nevado de Toluca, Iztaccíhuatl and Pico de Orizaba volcanoes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupo_Aerom%C3%B...

[Joe]

skinnygenes wrote:

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They were moved, don't you remember the satellite photos showing movement the couple of weeks beforehand? or do you have selective memory? As you've been told before, Saddam's regime did have chemical weapons, proof is the genocide committed against the Kurds.

Idiot. The Kurd gassing incident happened in the 80's, before the first Gulf War, when they did have WMDs, afterwards they were ordered to destroy them, which they did under UNSCOM supervision. Remember? Not everyone has selective memory like you.
Moved where?

[Joe]

just saying EP wrote:

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there were many WMD found and they still find them. Most were in the form of BIO agents, drums and drums of the stuff, but your almighty press ran short stories and debunks. we have Intel allot of the stuff made it over to Syria. I guess it would be ok by you for a drum of this stuff to be placed in a scud and popped off over your neighborhood. all this is documented, it should show you how ignorant you and your press corps are. The inability to put 2 + 2 together. Go ahead and bush bash, I’m sure it will make your decade to go home and gloat over it.
I’ll bet, if your neighbor came over and told you he saw the other neighbor down the street abusing your kids, you would shoot first, and ask questions later. Would this make you like W. W may have not been the best, but he does have some balls. Unlike the current administration.

How about providing a link?

[just saying EP]

"The basic special forces course lasts 6 months."
wow Joe, thats almost as long as the basic training for our infantry, you know its amazing, every civilized army in the world begs to attend our training, why is that, but its good to know your best of the best gets 6 months training...

[just saying EP]

its also very satisfying to know the entire Mexican army special forces resume can be placed in less amount of space than the written song about our green Berets!

[just saying EP]

Joe wrote:

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How about providing a link?

google it lazy man, the truth is out there....

[just saying EP]

Joe wrote:

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Idiot. The Kurd gassing incident happened in the 80's, before the first Gulf War, when they did have WMDs, afterwards they were ordered to destroy them, which they did under UNSCOM supervision. Remember? Not everyone has selective memory like you.
Moved where?

oh yea, thats right, we told them to ""destroy them"" and they did. ok back to work, thats all i need to hear...
Im sure thay destroyed the ones they showed them, dont be a gube, joe, but saddam always did what he was told, right....

[Joe]

skinnygenes wrote:

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No, my family in Mexico are educated, they aren't part of the narco trade. I have cousins who are doctors, engineers, architects, along with small business owners. They have ALL been shaken down at some point, or have felt threatened by the soldiers working for the narcos. You're a fool. I don't have to live there to know the score. Miramon is looking to blame the US, and playing hot potato with his own country's issues, which is very typical of most Mexicans, refusing to take the blame for their own condition, and throw it back at the US.

Your family in Mexico does not represent all Mexicans.

[just saying EP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons...

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

http://carnegieendowment.org/publications/ind...

here lazy man, and yes i know there are many saying there were none, but the facts dont lie.