Top court rules homophobic terms commonly used in Mexico are libelous

Full story: The Washington Post

Mexico's Supreme Court has ruled that two homophobic words commonly used in Mexico to humiliate gay men are not protected as freedom of expression under the constitution, allowing those offended by them to sue for moral damages.
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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#1 Mar 7, 2013
ok, since I don't speak Spanish, and the terms weren't mentioned in the article, what are those terms ?
who cares

Tijuana, Mexico

#2 Mar 7, 2013
puto joto marica palo lizo amante de salchicha sue me putos eat chorizo
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#5 Mar 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
ok, since I don't speak Spanish, and the terms weren't mentioned in the article, what are those terms ?
The words were Maricon & Puñal.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#6 Mar 7, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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The words were Maricon & Puñal.
Ok. Thank you. What are the English translations for those words ?(I'm clueless about Spanish. I studied German for 4 years).

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#7 Mar 7, 2013
wow.
Mexico is becoming more like Austria is seems.
(in Austria you can be arrested on the spot for denying the holocaust)

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#8 Mar 7, 2013
This is NOT a step forward. It's a step BACKWARDS.

I remember years ago when the courts finally began ruling in the U.S. that calling someone a homosexual, or a synonym to that word was NOT libelous because there is, and was, nothing wrong with being a homosexual.

So how can something like this be celebrated as a good thing ?!
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#9 Mar 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Ok. Thank you. What are the English translations for those words ?(I'm clueless about Spanish. I studied German for 4 years).
topix isn't letting me post the translation of Maricon. Puñal means Dagger and is a play on the whole "attacking from behind".
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#10 Mar 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
This is NOT a step forward. It's a step BACKWARDS.
I remember years ago when the courts finally began ruling in the U.S. that calling someone a homosexual, or a synonym to that word was NOT libelous because there is, and was, nothing wrong with being a homosexual.
So how can something like this be celebrated as a good thing ?!
There are some very liberal elements currently in positions of power in Mexico, both in the government and the media. The only real problem that I have with these is that even if you give them what they want they find a new thing to be liberal about and they never actually seem to have time to focus on important stuff like the economy or security.
For example, being forbidden to use offensive terms isn't nearly as bad as the other thing they did: homosexuals can donate blood in Mexico, or more specifically they can't be denied the right to donate blood, even though they are many times more like to have AIDS than heterosexual males.

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Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#11 Mar 7, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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topix isn't letting me post the translation of Maricon. Puñal means Dagger and is a play on the whole "attacking from behind".
email me the measnings.

:)
Eduardo

Torreón, Mexico

#13 Mar 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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email me the measnings.
:)
http://translate.google.com.mx/...

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#14 Mar 7, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
Thank You !

:)

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Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#15 Mar 7, 2013
OMG ! I just looked up a different Spanish word and just found out what my jr. high school math teacher was always calling me !

:(
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#17 Mar 9, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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There are some very liberal elements currently in positions of power in Mexico, both in the government and the media. The only real problem that I have with these is that even if you give them what they want they find a new thing to be liberal about and they never actually seem to have time to focus on important stuff like the economy or security.
For example, being forbidden to use offensive terms isn't nearly as bad as the other thing they did: homosexuals can donate blood in Mexico, or more specifically they can't be denied the right to donate blood, even though they are many times more like to have AIDS than heterosexual males.
Mexican politics "liberal?" HA! I wish! Those people still deny rights to others and keep our economy in shambles!

And why shouldn't gay people be allowed to donate blood? A simple blood test, administered to all samples would rule this out! And if AIDS is such a concern then the church has to stop being such an obstacle and stop teaching that contraceptives are evil.

No me vaya a decir que "el nuevo PRI" nos va a sacar del pozo proverbial...

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Peoples Bushes, Arizona

#18 Mar 9, 2013
When are the Spanish going to leave Mexico and give it back to the people they stole it from ?
Eduardo

Mexico

#19 Mar 9, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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Mexican politics "liberal?" HA! I wish! Those people still deny rights to others and keep our economy in shambles!
And why shouldn't gay people be allowed to donate blood? A simple blood test, administered to all samples would rule this out! And if AIDS is such a concern then the church has to stop being such an obstacle and stop teaching that contraceptives are evil.
No me vaya a decir que "el nuevo PRI" nos va a sacar del pozo proverbial...
Wow, I don't even know where to start:
Mexico scored 9.0 on the Drug Freedom index, the highest in the world, the second place went to Netherlands with 8.5. The most liberal states of the United States: Alaska, California, Maine, Nevada, and Oregon scored 5.5 out of 10.
Eduardo

Mexico

#20 Mar 9, 2013
In Mexico the gay marriage is recognized nation wide, while in the United States is only recognized in the most liberal states. While only some federal entities like Mexico D.F. perform gay marriages all the states have recognize them and grant the spouses the same rights than heterosexual spouses. Meaning that (again) Mexico is more liberal on gay rights than United States but less than Spain or Argentina, for example.
Eduardo

Mexico

#21 Mar 9, 2013
The ban isn't again homosexuals, but against "men who have sex with men" meaning that Lesbians can donate blood but bisexual males can't. And that's for the very same reason I already stressed: men who have sex with men have being proven to be substantially more likely to have AIDS.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#23 Mar 9, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
The ban isn't again homosexuals, but against "men who have sex with men" meaning that Lesbians can donate blood but bisexual males can't. And that's for the very same reason I already stressed: men who have sex with men have being proven to be substantially more likely to have AIDS.
¿Y el SIDA transmitido por el uso de drogas, la leche materna, o la transfusión de sangre? No vaya a decir que el SIDA solo se transmite por el sexo homosexual...y no actué como si todos los homosexuales no usan medidas preventivas al tener relaciones.

Vaya, pero que cabecita tan hueca...
Eduardo

Mexico

#24 Mar 9, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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And why shouldn't gay people be allowed to donate blood? A simple blood test, administered to all samples would rule this out! And if AIDS is such a concern then the church has to stop being such an obstacle and stop teaching that contraceptives are evil.
I don't follow your logic regarding the link between AIDS, unprotected sex, and the Catholic church. Are you implying that the men who have sex with other men in Mexico don't use protection because they are good Catholics and they are waiting for the Church's blessing?
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#25 Mar 9, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
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Wow, I don't even know where to start:
Mexico scored 9.0 on the Drug Freedom index, the highest in the world, the second place went to Netherlands with 8.5. The most liberal states of the United States: Alaska, California, Maine, Nevada, and Oregon scored 5.5 out of 10.
You quoted from the page on Wikipedia instead of the actual website, which says:

"We rank countries with restrictive, but ignored, laws on the books slightly lower than countries without such laws. However, such disparities do bring up a difficult question, and one which we frequently grapple with. In a world of perfect data availability, we would be able to take day-to-day enforcement trends into account and factor them perfectly into the index score for a given country. However, this presents a variety of real-world challenges.

First, it is arguable that a jurisdiction that is free only because of lack of enforcement of a certain set of laws does not have stable, enduring freedom. In many such cases, it may be unwise to count on the executive branch continuing to overlook scofflaws. Tomorrow, that same circumstance may be used to selectively prosecute political enemies of the state.(This is why we never score a nation with a death penalty on the books for drug offenses above a 1.5 out of 10.0, no matter how lax enforcement is.) Further, such a condition may be a sign of arbitrary and capricious enforcement or excessive discretionary power in the hands of law enforcement officials, which in any case is not an equitably distributed form of freedom. Naturally, the degree of corruption in the country's law enforcement also comes into play when trying to predict how free the citizen is to act.

Secondly, it is extremely difficult to quantify enforcement in a given country at any given time. We operate with limited financial resources, and even if it were possible for us to come up with a reliable and objective inter-country measure of something as subjective (and culturally-dependent) as a perception of frequency of enforcement of a law, it would probably require travel to many far-flung countries to conduct first-hand interviews of statistically significant samples of the population to create this type of perception-based index.

The 2011 Drug Freedom Index does have limited reliance on anecdotal/perception data for some nations, both because there can be large rift between official and unofficial policies in this area, and due to the limited availability of complete, English-language, primary legal references. Aside from the "soft" nature of such anecdotal references, another potential problem they raise is that such reports often come tourists from English-speaking countries, and such visitors may have drastically different law enforcement experiences than the average citizen or permanent resident of a given country. All citations are provided, and the reader is invited to make his or her own judgements about the validity of the sources."

You ignore the fact that its adjustable index fluctuates between certain policies, and you ignore that the Netherlands doesn't have such a "liberal" drug policy:

http://www.government.nl/issues/alcohol-and-d...

Also, please stop thinking that liberalism is one unified term; economic liberalism and social liberalism for one, are not the same. If anything economic liberalism is what devalued the peso and made us poorer! I almost lost my business back in '96 because of that, and I had a young daughter and wife to support...!

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