Arkansas State mulls opening campus in Mexico

Nov 25, 2012 Full story: KTHV-TV Little Rock 34

Chancellor Tim Hudson tells the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette that under the plan, ASU Jonesboro would form a public-private partnership with businesses to teach 3,000 to 5,000 Mexicans in the state of Queretaro within four or five years.

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guest

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Nov 26, 2012
if any tax money is used for this --it is WRONG as hell
justsayin

Jonesboro, AR

#2 Nov 26, 2012
well,I am sure that there WILL be!
Obama

North Little Rock, AR

#4 Nov 26, 2012
You'll do what I say when I say and how I say, fools, and you don't have any tax dollars, they're all mine.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#5 Nov 26, 2012
Reading the comments, and I just find blind hate.

Why is everyone sure that it involves Taxes and is not a plain and simple business?

Do Americans believe - surely they do - that we Mexicans do not have institutions of higher education, some of them even better than many of the US?

Oh, I forgot that the image of Mexicans in the US is like this...

http://www.screeninsults.com/images/the-treas...

Still, the ones posting from AR could demand that this partnership will not go. Please do so.

There are plenty of other countries to do business with. I think that Iran is falling behind its fair share of business in Mexico.
justsayin

Jonesboro, AR

#6 Nov 26, 2012
We already DO plenty of business with Mexico.There are tons of American businesses that in order to save money,have moved into Mexico,giving jobs and benefits to non-US workers.I know that the unions here have a lot to do with that,but,there are plenty of non-union factories in the south that have factories in Mexico.

I don't see anything wrong with questioning how our tax dollars that we,American citizens by BIRTH or otherwise,are spent in other countries by American institutions of higher learning.
I don't find any kind of blind hate in sensibility.Sorry.
Don't label practical questions and an American right to ask them as a "hate" message.that doesn't fly.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#7 Nov 26, 2012
justsayin wrote:
We already DO plenty of business with Mexico.There are tons of American businesses that in order to save money,have moved into Mexico,giving jobs and benefits to non-US workers.I know that the unions here have a lot to do with that,but,there are plenty of non-union factories in the south that have factories in Mexico.
That's correct, however those factories are privately owned, isn't it? It wasn't the US goverment that decided them to come here.

Many Americans complain to that believing it is some kind of "conspiracy" to rob the US its former industrial might. The truth is that it is a conspiracy... a conspiracy of economists that convince people that capitalists should do everything they want, that the goverment has no right about intervention or direction.

However, what we see is the blaming of Obama's "Marxism" and the racial hate against Mexican (on both sides of the border).

What will be of Mexico without the USA? No body knows... could be better, could be worse. It did pretty good in the 50-70s (Mexican Miracle) without any emphasis of economical relations with the US.
I don't see anything wrong with questioning how our tax dollars that we,American citizens by BIRTH or otherwise,are spent in other countries by American institutions of higher learning.
No, is not that I critisize that you question that, but the assumption, up front, that there has tu bee an undue spending in this, obviously to give us brownies higher education that will no lorger go to white kids. It is not what they imply?

Do you think the brownies in Mexico ever recieved education from gringos for free?

As I said, go to the streets or start a grassroots movement so this joint venture blows. For what I care. As if we Mexicans don't have excelent schools, even when "Americans" find it hard to believe. More Market for Mexican enterprenurs.
I don't find any kind of blind hate in sensibility.Sorry.
Don't label practical questions and an American right to ask them as a "hate" message.that doesn't fly.
C'mon! See the forum and the general attitude of the average poster here.

Of course, don't question your right to question and demand. But... do you know that other Universities in the US have opened campuses in Qtar and other Gulf States?

I am sure that people in those cases doesn't assume there are spended taxes involved. That is because Mexicans are seen in the USA as LEECHES. Your propaganda as done that.

The fact, is that in the long history of Mexico after the Revolution, Mexico by very far DIDNT ACCEPTED US monetary aid, in the same way as, say, Israel or Egypt or other countries did. It has to come to the PAN rightist goverments to break that tradition. Hope the PRI put an end to that.

Regards.
Davy Crockett

Jonesboro, AR

#8 Nov 26, 2012
Remember the Alamo !!
LindaCarter

Celaya, Mexico

#9 Nov 26, 2012
Davy Crockett does remember the Alamo... wherever his poor soud is!!

XD XD
Guest

Trumann, AR

#10 Nov 26, 2012
My problem is not with them considering a campus in Mexico. My problem is the quality of education, poor professor pay, etc. I would think that the concern would be to offer a QUALITY education on current campuses and compensate the educators. There are so many kinks in the system at ASU that I can't imagine what will happen when it is international.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#11 Nov 26, 2012
"Alamo" and Crockett ...

US VERSION:

Disney Movie (1954)


(D.C.= John Wayne)(1960)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

(D.C = Brian Keith)(1987)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

(D.C.= Thorton)(2004)
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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MEXICAN VERSION

The Mexican intellectual and Historian Paco Ingnacio Taibo II, speaks about El Alamo

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Concerned

Mexico

#12 Nov 26, 2012
Sirius wrote:
Reading the comments, and I just find blind hate.
Why is everyone sure that it involves Taxes and is not a plain and simple business?
Do Americans believe - surely they do - that we Mexicans do not have institutions of higher education, some of them even better than many of the US?
Oh, I forgot that the image of Mexicans in the US is like this...
http://www.screeninsults.com/images/the-treas...
Still, the ones posting from AR could demand that this partnership will not go. Please do so.
There are plenty of other countries to do business with. I think that Iran is falling behind its fair share of business in Mexico.
I do not like the racial insults. But I think people are seeing it first had how people from another country are effecting them directly. In my case it is not about hate, but I have been effected a lot. My health insurance premium just jumped more then $100 per month. I asked the agent why. It came straight out and told me it is because of the costs of mainly providing free health to illegal Mexican immigrants. This is on top of what we are paying for unemployed Americans that get free medical. He said the illegal coverage costs all tax payers about $1000 dollars per year more because of this.

I had a construction business and I went by the book. Paying as much as $16,000 dollars a year for just one crew. Paid taxes, bought building permits and health insurance and more. My overhead to stay legal was incredible. Accountants and tax preparation and more. Well I started loosing many jobs to illegals. They would follow my salesmen and after my man left with a signed contract they would knock on the door like they were canvasing and get the people to drop the contract to buy from them. I only found out later after loosing many jobs. We would call the State and ask them to go check out the job because there was no building permit in the windows, and we told them they were working illegal and only for cash. The State asked me what I wanted them to do. They said they could really do nothing but take them off the job. They had no assets to go after. They had no workman's comp Ins, or health, or any king of insurance. Not even on their vehicles. They could just move in with someone else and if a ticket was issued they just did not pay anyway. He basically said it was a waste of their time and they would probably come back in a few days and finish the job anyway. They did not have time for the big cat and mouse game.

For me it was easy. Drive around and listen for hammering and construction sites. Look for a permit in the window. Without it double fine. Had to show all my forms of insurance and that I was keeping up with OSHA regulations. Had to buy a lot of special equipment to comply. I started to loose more money until it was not worth it anymore. I had to obey everything and pay my taxes because they would, and could come after me from every angle of government including income taxes. The illegals literally had to pay nothing and were untouchable.

I would have done the same thing if I were them. But either way it is not fair. So I can understand why people are worrying if things will cost them more. People in Mexico do not have to worry about other illegals effecting their pocket books, with free medical, government handouts, taking away from Americans as they did me. If it was fair competition I would not have minded. But it was not. I could not compete not could anyone in that situation. Want to get your house painted and yard work done anywhere in the USA. Just pay cash and it is available. But it effecting others because they cannot compete.

So you have to understand a little bit as to why Americans are a little worked up.

I presented these things to my neighbor here in Mexico, and asked her how the people here would feel if the Americans got this treatment at their expense. She said they would raise hell, and I am sure they would.
Concerned

Mexico

#13 Nov 26, 2012
In the second paragraph I meant to say paying $16,000 in workman's comp for just one per year for a crew of two men. I had as many as 6 crews at any given time.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#14 Nov 26, 2012
I would try to keep pace, Concerned but you have to know that US reality is really "alien" to me.

The theme of illegals having "free health care" is something I don't undestand very well. Look, I am not in favor of illegal emigration, but how is that being illegal in the USA grants you free medical care? Is it a federal or state policy? Is it written anywhere that you could receive preference above legal US citizens?

Read something about it here:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

OK the part about illegals that receive social help looks like important, but after all I thing is not the mother but the newborn that receives it.

The other part, that about medical emergencies looks more complicated. Should people needing emergency attention not be attended because they are illegal alliens? Are they not charged services afterwards? Guess that there could be an amendment saying that if someone is illegal it should not receive medical attention. An how about a law in Mexico that says that if you are American with a medical emergency you should not be attended because Mexican hospitals should be for Mexicans?

For me is a very complex theme and it really puzzles me, and I cannot give a just answer if I don't see a non-biased picture of what is really happening there.

What is clear is that there is a lot of problems with the US health system. Hear a lot about a reform proposal of Obama ("Obamacare?").

Being recently in European forums, and they simply cannot understand that the concept of Universal Health Care is confounded in the US with "Communism".

Amid this chaos and heated debate... Could not be illegal Mexicans be easily overly blamed for that, making the poeple look for a scape goat instead of seeing the real problems?

"US health system is a mess" --> It was the Mexicans.

"US Real Estate market imploded" --> It was the Mexicans

"US Industral Cities in the Middwest are in decay" --> It was the Mexicans.

"Why do you charge me extra $100 for insurance" --> It was... well, you know who.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#15 Nov 26, 2012
As I told you that I am not here really to discuss illegal emigration, there is however one theme that honestly interest me, because it puts many things in the open. Namely, the law about illegal immigration in Arizona (don't remenber the code of that law).

Basically, if I am not mistaken, it says that if you look like a beaner, a police officer could ask for your papers ( "Ihre Papiere, bitte" XD ), if you are there illegaly you are datained and deported.(I think that there is also a time in jail, with from my point of view is excesive, but hell, is the US, not Mexico). There you have characters like this sheriff Arpaio, that some Mexicans here don't like much. I say to them that Mexico is to great a country to even put attention to a character like that in a minuscle US county. But some don't seem to listen.

What interested me most, is what happened in some recent elections in Arizona... I think this was it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_gubernat...

To make the story short, I have heard that the first term of Brewer was a desaster in many aspects, starting with the economy... however, at the end, what win her the Governorship was the anti-immigrant low, described above.

When that happened, I predicted that many US States would begin to ussue similar laws, because of that example. It was, I thing inevitable and logical... "you fumbled in everything, but you will always have the secred winning card of blaming Mexicans". I think that, as I predicted, many other states will do a try, don't remember which ones. One was Alabama (with almost no Mexicans, by the way).

From that, I think that there is some lessons. For starters is that at State level, or even county level, all the USA is free of deciding how much illegals do they want. I really don't believe in the Jewish conspiracy to erase the White race from Earth... but let's be honest and accept that many low educated Americans do.

You know who are the most afraid of illegal Mexicans returning to Mexico? For what I see, the American Right. One of their winning causes could lost much of its punch.

The decision of kicking out Mexican illegals is of course, sole decision of the US. But that after you kick all the Mexicans I not sure that you will be better.

But who knows?

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As I said somewhere in my first participation in this forum, I am extremely nationalistic and patriotic Mexican.

I believe that in the last 12 years Mexico had made great mistakes in its relationship with the US, some by goverments that lacked much legitimity here.

I think that the willingly reversal of emigration flow from the US, could be a very positive signal.

Regards.
guest

Conway, AR

#16 Nov 26, 2012
The city in Mexico is paying all the bills. They want the ASU name and accreditation on the degrees and to use the curriculum. The area is one of the wealthier ones.

ASU wants a foreign branch and to be able to send professors to teach elsewhere cheaply. It also doesn't hurt to have contacts in the wealthy and business classes in Mexico.

This is no different than other universities such as Texas A&M Qatar. They even say Howdy there and have a TAMUQ basketball team.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#17 Nov 26, 2012
guest wrote:
The city in Mexico is paying all the bills. They want the ASU name and accreditation on the degrees and to use the curriculum. The area is one of the wealthier ones.
ASU wants a foreign branch and to be able to send professors to teach elsewhere cheaply. It also doesn't hurt to have contacts in the wealthy and business classes in Mexico.
This is no different than other universities such as Texas A&M Qatar. They even say Howdy there and have a TAMUQ basketball team.
Now, that is infomation.

Thanks.
Just Visiting

Little Rock, AR

#18 Nov 26, 2012
I just saw the headline and clicked on. I don't know any of the particulars but I would assume that the ASU administration must see some potential benefit to the ASU program in considering a possible Mexica n campus. I didn't know we were going to relive the Alamo,take on healthcare and labor issues and discuss the construction business. I don't have any axes to grind here and would like to see ASU have a Mexican campus if it benefits the ASU program. I guess I shouldn't be surprised but I am suprised at all the negative comments by people who have no knowledge at all about why the college might be considering this.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#19 Nov 26, 2012
Well, Just Visiting, you know... "It probably was the Mexican".

;)
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#20 Nov 26, 2012
tax dollar was the word and you can't tell me that none would be used
Bazinga

Little Rock, AR

#21 Nov 27, 2012
I have read this entire thread, all I can do to contribute is to say:

I see the blacks got the day off on this one

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